Mozilla Plan Sticks to Basics

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During the last few years, the Mozilla Organization created the blueprint for taking a commercial product and making it open source, converting the old Netscape browser—which had been vanquished by Microsoft Corp. and Internet Explorer—into the open-source Mozilla (arguably the best browser on the market today).

With this mission accomplished, The Mozilla Organization earlier this month began planning the next phase of Mozilla development.

In many ways, it's a big departure from the past. The Mozilla development road map, points to a new direction for Mozilla—one that is more modular and has tighter controls over development.

Probably the biggest change for most users will be the move away from the all-encompassing browser suite to individual components that can be easily integrated if a user so chooses.

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#1 GeekBoy2000 on 30 Apr 2003 - 15:03

I think it's a good direction for the project, but I'll bet this project will also take years to evolve into what it should be. As good as Mozilla is, I gave up on it after realizing that bug fixes and feature enhancements take forever to make it into the application. As an example: Mozilla/Thunderbird's inability to truly save passwords if a POP server fails authentication. There are a number of bugs that need to be fixed before they can really address that particular issue. It's been a problem for the entire life of the application, and it'll probably be months or years before they get around to fixing that. That's just one example. There are e-mail clients and applications of all kinds that have gone through incremental and then major version re-writes, in less time than it takes to address a relatively small handful of issues in Mozilla. I don't see that changing with their new plan and split projects.

(8 replies) #2 deimos on 30 Apr 2003 - 16:59

[QUOTE]...into the open-source Mozilla (arguably the best browser on the market today).[/QUOTE] damn straight

#2.1 CoCoLUS on 30 Apr 2003 - 17:17

well then let's hear some of those arguments? a startup time of about minimum 3 seconds? the inability to display some pages correctly (and i don't care if they got coded for ie, i'm a customer/user, not a developer)

#2.2 Wildcard on 30 Apr 2003 - 19:04

Works for most of the pages I go to on a daily basis and Im sure if your talking bout pages being displayed correctly I can post some links of pages IE doesn't display correctly either...whats your point ?

#2.3 CoCoLUS on 30 Apr 2003 - 19:08

i just want to hear a _few_ arguments... i'm tired of hearing people say "it has tabbed browsing, it's way better." as different people have different preferences, i think the only comparison we can do about browsers is an _overview_ of features.

#2.4 Elektro on 30 Apr 2003 - 23:02

hmmmm maybe you should use it and see for yourself before you come here and spill your totally false arguements?

#2.5 Corwin2 on 01 May 2003 - 00:21

[neoquote=#2.3 by CoCoLUS]i just want to hear a _few_ arguments... i'm tired of hearing people say "it has tabbed browsing, it's way better." as different people have different preferences, i think the only comparison we can do about browsers is an _overview_ of features.[/neoquote] mozilla has : - a good popup killer - a good cookie manager - a good password manager (with master password) - better web standards support - a powerful sidebar - themes - is highly customizable - fine javascript control - good text zooming (IE text zoom is very limited and very buggy) - intelligent bookmarks - ... If you design web pages it is also much much better than IE as a developpment environment

#2.6 Joshie on 01 May 2003 - 02:06

[neoquote=#2.5 by Corwin2]mozilla has : - a good popup killer - a good cookie manager - a good password manager (with master password) - better web standards support - a powerful sidebar - themes - is highly customizable - fine javascript control - good text zooming (IE text zoom is very limited and very buggy) - intelligent bookmarks - ... If you design web pages it is also much much better than IE as a developpment environment [/neoquote] Not all of those make it a great browser. A lot of those features are just fluff. A "powerful sidebar" does very little for someone like me, who has never used one. A password manager is something very few people will actually use (I hate telling software to remember my passwords for me). In my own opinion, the features worth parading around are addons (even if they don't always like to work), tabs (the only new GUI function that can behave centrally to the browsing experience since the Back button

), profoundly fewer script errors (which, imo, isn't a 'feature', but rather something that should be expected, but is lacking from competitors), and...uh...yeah, that's it. And Elektro: Which "totally false" arguments were he spilling?

#2.7 tuxracer on 01 May 2003 - 06:48

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/why/

#2.8 tuxracer on 01 May 2003 - 06:51

" well then let's hear some of those arguments?" http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/why/ "a startup time of about minimum 3 seconds?" Meet Mozilla Firebird

"the inability to display some pages correctly" Every site that I have visted as of yet displays just fine

(2 replies) #3 Arkayz on 30 Apr 2003 - 17:37

Opera > IE > Mozilla

#3.1 Mav Phoenix on 30 Apr 2003 - 21:22

[neoquote=#3.0 by Arkayz]Opera > IE > Mozilla[/neoquote]

#3.2 tuxracer on 01 May 2003 - 06:47

Mozilla Firebird > Mozilla (suit) > Opera > IE

#4 Dark Warhawk on 30 Apr 2003 - 18:10

This is old news

#5 timbo3 on 30 Apr 2003 - 18:44

I hope thay make it faster. My computer kills itself when I'm closing tabs and loading pages.

(3 replies) #6 funkyMonkey on 30 Apr 2003 - 18:59

I have not used Mozilla for2 years now. Why should I?

#6.1 [saint dark] on 30 Apr 2003 - 21:50

2 years of optimization? the fact that the browser component was replaced by the Firebird one? choose one

#6.2 JaggedFlame on 01 May 2003 - 03:31

I'm pretty sure that if he doesn't feel the need for a new browser now, he doesn't really need to switch.

#6.3 tuxracer on 01 May 2003 - 06:44

#7 Mgz on 01 May 2003 - 00:38

wohoo... just check neowin stats, will have someguy @ shawcable.net use Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030424 Mozilla Firebird/0.6 go to Neowin everyday

#8 Quick Reply on 01 May 2003 - 09:27

i really like the features of mozilla and the concept of open-source, but it still doesn't cut it for me because I find that it's interface is too "klunky", I don't see what's wrong with the plain windows common controls, almost every application has the same style interface, i dont like mozilla being that different. I just hate skins.

#9 Nanorobot on 01 May 2003 - 09:29

I nearly always use Galeon when on Linux as there is no IE. It is based on mozilla and is only a web browser.

#10 JLP on 01 May 2003 - 10:53

My preference of browsers goes Like this: Mozilla > FireBird > Opera > Konqueror > IE One friend one day showed me Mozilla and I'm using it ever since. And almost all pages work just fine. Only those that are coded so badly with no standards in mind don't work. And for those pages I just e-mail the author and ask him to cirrect the mistakes so that the page is coded by standards. And it works most of the time.

#11 Joshie on 01 May 2003 - 14:54

Well, I just tried last night's build of Firebird, out of sheer curiosity, and they fixed the little bugs that irked me most, but that just makes other problems more obvious (simple logical concept: cleaning one mess just makes the next mess easier to see). I'm fine mostly, though. I guess my biggest gripe is an extraordinarily tiny issue, and it's the matter of sorting bookmarks. My imported IE faves weren't sorted like IE sorts them at all, and in fact, when set to alphabetical sorting, will put folders beginning with C below files beginning with B, and I see no way to change it. I like the folders-separated-from-files sorting style that pretty much every file manager I've ever used in the history of my exposure to PC technology has supported. Blah, I also miss being able to sort them through the right-click menu like ya can in explorer. There's just something retarded about having to load up the bookmark manager just to rearrange my friggen bookmarks. -_-

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