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[neoquote=#7.0 by tronmaster]I got the dvd through Amazon. Please NOTE: once you view the video it starts a 60 DAY timer with WMP 9. After 60 days you can't view that video....[/neoquote] thanx for letting oz know

thats not too cool, but will probably forget about it after a few weeks anyway

[neoquote=#7.0 by tronmaster]Please NOTE: once you view the video it starts a 60 DAY timer with WMP 9. After 60 days you can't view that video....[/neoquote] So is that MS's way of saying XP isn't so amazing after you use it for 60 days?

They're short copyrighted films. It makes sense that they would expire.

no it makes no sense jaggedflame. stop defending the microcrap craparation.

Yes, it does make sense, werejag. When someone makes content, they have the right to control who views it and for how long. You're a f*cking idiot if you think that information "wants" to be free. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

so what your saying is that if i buy this, i dont have a right to view it any time i want? what ever happened to the rights of the customer? fair use? it makes no sense to take away something one has paid for!!! its like me buying a car on a 4 year plan and after 4years from the time i drove it. it just stops due to their right to control who drives it and for how long! also isnt this suspose to be a marketing ploy to get people to buy xp? why does microsoft damage their customers view by resticting Amazing Things that XP can do?

Wake up and smell the coffee. When you buy Internet anything, you're not buying it. You're licensing it. If you get a license for 60 days, that's the choice of the person who licenses it. And no, the car example doesn't work. You don't license a car. You can lease it, but it's not your car until you finish paying for it. Same with a house. You can mortgage it, but it's not your house until you finish paying for it. As for marketing ploy, get used to it. Everyone markets. Every company does this stuff. This DVD is intended to demonstrate what Windows XP can do, not do it for you. The movies just show what kind of video playback you can achieve. It's kind of like a movie trailer. When people want you to watch a movie, do they give you the whole movie for free? No, they show you a trailer, and if you like it, you go out and see the whole thing. Same thing here.

this is a dvd we are talking about jaggedflame not the internet!! the car example does work. its only becuase of little sheep like you that microsoft can do this. your nothing but a little lap dog that barks on command. This DVD is intended to demonstrate what Windows XP can do, but what it does show is that microsoft can do whatever it wants on your hardware and you have no say about it. as for your trailer example doesn't work. once i have it in my house fully paid for. it is mine to do what i feel is right, its called fair use. true i can not send it to others but if i want to watch it after the 60 days i will!!! there is nothing anyone can say about it. becuase its legal for me to do what ever i want.

werejag, you're not buying a DVD. You're buying a time-limited short film. If you don't know that when you buy it, you're a retard. If you do know that and expect to not have a time-limited short film anyway, you're a retard. [QUOTE]the car example does work. its only becuase of little sheep like you that microsoft can do this. your nothing but a little lap dog that barks on command.[/QUOTE] Seeing as I provide rationale for my comments, and you don't, I think you're the real sheep here. [QUOTE]This DVD is intended to demonstrate what Windows XP can do, but what it does show is that microsoft can do whatever it wants on your hardware and you have no say about it.[/QUOTE] Again, if you have no idea that this isn't an actual DVD, that's your problem. I recall you being the one to say that you would get screwed buying Windows Server because you thought it was all great from the press. If you researched what you bought, or even spent a minute reading the product description, maybe you wouldn't have that problem. [QUOTE]as for your trailer example doesn't work. once i have it in my house fully paid for. it is mine to do what i feel is right, its called fair use. true i can not send it to others but if i want to watch it after the 60 days i will!!! there is nothing anyone can say about it. becuase its legal for me to do what ever i want.[/QUOTE] Wrong. If you buy a DVD, you can keep it, because that's what the license states. However, if you buy a software product, you can only do what the license states. You can't install it on more than one computer, even though you own the CD. If you buy this 60-day short film, that's all you own. Not the full thing. You buy what others sell to you, werejag. And you don't control what they offer.

jaggedflame, I am buying the dvd includes the short films , same as buying a car or anything. i have the right to view this dvd fully in any form i choose at anythime. cant get you to open up and realize that eulas aka licence agreement is not law biding. please name me one case that eula was tested in court! selling something and taking it back afterward is not legal. who is responsible for replacement of the dvd? the customer or the corparation? does the car manufacture have a right to choose how long you drive a car? and who can drive the car? no! as does the software people. they dont have a right to choose who can and cant use it or for how long on what format.

[QUOTE]I am buying the dvd includes the short films , same as buying a car or anything. i have the right to view this dvd fully in any form i choose at anythime.[/QUOTE] No, you do not. You are not buying short films. You are buying short films that are limited to 60 days of usage. Yes, you do have the right to view your time-limited DVD fully for as long as it works. [QUOTE]cant get you to open up and realize that eulas aka licence agreement is not law biding. please name me one case that eula was tested in court![/QUOTE] Who mentioned EULA? You buy the DVD with time-limited short films on it. It's not like you can get around it and break the EULA. [QUOTE]selling something and taking it back afterward is not legal.[/QUOTE] Selling someone a time-limited short film, however, is legal. [QUOTE]who is responsible for replacement of the dvd? the customer or the corparation?[/QUOTE] If the DVD is faulty, the corporation. However, the DVD is not faulty. [QUOTE]does the car manufacture have a right to choose how long you drive a car? and who can drive the car?[/QUOTE] Does the car manufacturer sell you a car that stops working after 60 days? No? Then how can you relate this to a car analogy? [QUOTE]as does the software people. they dont have a right to choose who can and cant use it or for how long on what format.[/QUOTE] Yes, they do. And they just did. I don't see anyone complaining about illegality except you.

jaggedflame, i give in your level of partiotism is just way to much. i can see once again the mighty microsoft does a number on the comunity and the sheep fall in line. thanks for your time werejag

Can't come up with a single argument to refute the statement that you don't have the right to buy something someone doesn't want to sell you? Wow. Thanks for saving me the time. Sometimes idiots keep posting and making up crap just to keep from looking stupid, but you just went ahead and took the hit. Say hello to the anti-MS sheep community for me.

give it a rest we have very diffent views of rights. mine is pro consumer and yours is pro corporation! thanks for your time the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time!

[QUOTE] give it a rest we have very diffent views of rights. mine is pro consumer and yours is pro corporation! [/QUOTE] I am pro-consumer. The difference between me and you is that I actually know what a consumer is. And a consumer is not someone who buys something that's not for sale. That's a thief. Once you get that basic idea down, maybe you'll be ready to move on. I'm not too confident you will, though. [QUOTE]the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time![/QUOTE] Is that what the "Anti-MS" sheep community uses to justify their existence?

i figured you would claim to be pro consumer , yet your actions/speech are that of pro corporation and how we should bow before it. if we followed your example we would give away even more rights to our corporation big brother. [QUOTE]Is that what the "Anti-MS" sheep community uses to justify their existence? [/QUOTE] even in your question (above) you are pro big brother corporation. the corporation is not your friend. they care nothing about your rights. wake up and demand your rights to your hardware and software. Once you get that basic idea down, maybe you'll be ready to move on. I'm not too confident you will, though, but if your finally wake up from the big brother corporation Koma. you too will find that your american rights have been given away by you. [QUOTE]The difference between me and you is that I actually know what a consumer is. And a consumer is not someone who buys something that's not for sale. That's a thief[/QUOTE] the statement above (calling me a thieve) is a accusation that you can not back up. i am a consumer that pay for software and hardware and if i buy something it is mine to keep and do what i will. i do not send theive software or share with others. If you got proof that i do thieve, please post your evidence. other wise your just a sharlitain. so in closing i wanted this to end on a truce, but you just had to make insane accusations that you can never back up. now will this continue? knowing you. you will claim, im the one continueing not accepting blame. i admit i had my part in all this. i am also to blame. are you man enough to accept your blame, your wrongness? now will this continue? the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time!

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[QUOTE]i figured you would claim to be pro consumer , yet your actions/speech are that of pro corporation and how we should bow before it.[/QUOTE] If by pro-consumer you mean pro-theft, then no, I am not pro-consumer. [QUOTE]even in your question (above) you are pro big brother corporation. the corporation is not your friend. they care nothing about your rights.[/QUOTE] Look how you turn a joke into undeniable evidence that I'm pro-corporation. Get a clue. [quote]wake up and demand your rights to your hardware and software. Once you get that basic idea down, maybe you'll be ready to move on. I'm not too confident you will, though, but if your finally wake up from the big brother corporation Koma. you too will find that your american rights have been given away by you.[/quote] I never said that I agreed with their decision to give away a 60-day limited film. I said that it's their choice if they want to. If there was a petition against DRM, I would be the first to sign it. When DRM comes into play, though, it's their choice to sell DRM material, not yours. I like how you disagree with my statement, and then blatantly rip it and use it yourself. It can only point to one conclusion: that I'm right. [QUOTE]the statement above (calling me a thieve) is a accusation that you can not back up.[/QUOTE] Ass. I backed it up at least five times. You just don't know how to read. I sell you a time-limited DVD. You buy it. YOU ARE NOT BUYING A NON-TIME-LIMITED DVD. YOU ARE BUYING A TIME-LIMITED DVD. THEREFORE, YOU CAN ONLY USE THAT DVD FOR 60 DAYS, BECAUSE I SAID SO. I DID NOT SELL YOU A NON-TIME-LIMITED DVD, SO YOU CAN'T BUY ONE FROM ME. If you do, it's theft. Plain and simple. [QUOTE]i wanted this to end on a truce, but you just had to make insane accusations that you can never back up.[/QUOTE] Yeah. End on a truce by calling me a sheep. That's the mark of a true sheep. [QUOTE]knowing you. you will claim, im the one continueing not accepting blame. i admit i had my part in all this. i am also to blame. are you man enough to accept your blame, your wrongness?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'll accept any wrongness or blame I have in this thread. It works out well for me, because you're the only one who's wrong. [QUOTE]the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time![/QUOTE] Keep working with those quote positions. Eventually you'll get it right, and tell the rest of the "anti-MS" sheep community. Baaaaa!

jagggedflame. i do like it how you claim not to like drm but defend it to the end. it just goes to show where you stand. pro corporation to the end. So the mighty jaggedflame still can not acccept blame. figures you would not accept your blame, your wrongness. you did nothing wrong but give in to your god microsoft. "whats good for microsoft is good for jaggedflame" The only thing your posts so far show is that your not thinking about your rights. its all pro cororation for you. accepting the restrictions of this dvd shows the ms sheep from the real free thinkers. to be closed minded about your right is very sad indeed. wake up and take your rights back from the evil corporation this dvd when you buy it is yours to do what you will with it. if you accept the restictions put on by microsoft you are giving away your rights. here is a question! does the dvd say in bold on the front that it is time limited? is this a selling point for the dvd or is this a hidden "feature" that we happen to find out which 99.9% of the people dont know about? the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time!

[QUOTE]i do like it how you claim not to like drm but defend it to the end. it just goes to show where you stand. pro corporation to the end.[/QUOTE] werejag, it's a fact of life that if DRM is legal, then companies can use it. You don't even have to know what DRM is to agree with that statement. If ____ is legal, then companies can use it. Selling time-limited short films is legal, so Microsoft can do it. [QUOTE]So the mighty jaggedflame still can not acccept blame. figures you would not accept your blame, your wrongness. you did nothing wrong but give in to your god microsoft.[/QUOTE] How long do you spend thinking crap like this up? Get a life. You are undeniably, absolutely, wrong. I usually don't come out and say that to be polite, but you have broken all previous standards for spewing bullsh*t that I just can't help it. [QUOTE]The only thing your posts so far show is that your not thinking about your rights. its all pro cororation for you.[/QUOTE] Fine. My rights include theft. Is that what you want me to say? If I sell you a piece of crap, and you buy it, are you going to sue me because it's a piece of crap? Is that your "right"? Or are you just a dumb f*ck? [QUOTE]accepting the restrictions of this dvd shows the ms sheep from the real free thinkers. to be closed minded about your right is very sad indeed.[/QUOTE] Fine. Then don't f*cking buy it. That's your "free thinking" consumer right. [QUOTE]wake up and take your rights back from the evil corporation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]this dvd when you buy it is yours to do what you will with it. if you accept the restictions put on by microsoft you are giving away your rights.[/QUOTE] I'm not responding to this crap anymore. Read what I said. Take it or leave it. [QUOTE]here is a question! does the dvd say in bold on the front that it is time limited? is this a selling point for the dvd or is this a hidden "feature" that we happen to find out which 99.9% of the people dont know about?[/QUOTE] Does the DVD say in bold on the front that it includes a full-featured film? I doubt it. So how can you complain that you're entitled to one? [QUOTE]the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time![/QUOTE] No, you're still wrong. The "anti-MS" sheep community must have their heads up their arses.

all jaggedflame says in his posts is all hail microsoft, hail microsoft, hail microsoft. the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time!

[QUOTE]If there was a petition against DRM, I would be the first to sign it.[/QUOTE] I said that, didn't I? Isn't that your view, too? So when you say all I say is "hail Microsoft," you're a Microsoft lackey yourself? LOL, owned

how am i a Microsoft lackey ? becuase i run a microsoft os? i run 3 oses btw red hat 7.2, windows xp, and ecomstation 1.0 lol, ur sure owned by microsoft

[QUOTE]how am i a Microsoft lackey ? becuase i run a microsoft os?[/QUOTE] No, if you learned to read, you might have been walked through the logic tutorial I kindly posted above. In essence, you call me a lackey, yet you agree with some of the same points I made. So you're one too. Yeah, I'm owned by Microsoft. Especially because of my Gentoo and FreeBSD machines. Speaking of which, you lied when you said you didn't run Linux. Or maybe you're lying now. In any event, lying is something we can be expecting from you, I guess.

what have i agreed on with you that ur a m$ sheep? i agreed that ur owned by m$

If you're an M$ fanatic, then sure, I am too. Then again, the very fact that you're taking this discussion seriously says loads about you.

By the way, if you respond to this thread after this current response or start a new one, you're a sheep.

why should one be forced to go to extremes to get what they paid for

Why should one complain about something they didn't pay for?

give it a rest ms sheep the "anti-ms sheep" community ----------dispatching one "ms sheep" at a time!

Answer the question, you penguin bootlicker.

im not running linux you idiot! and penguins dont have boots idoit! and linux is open source, no one big brother corporation owns it idiot! and it belongs to everyone idiot! and we anwered the question above idiot!

[QUOTE]im not running linux you idiot![/QUOTE] [SIZE=14]ROFL[/SIZE] Oh my god. You're bitching about Microsoft that much and you actually use their software? LOL WHAT A MORON [QUOTE]and we anwered the question above idiot![/QUOTE] Reanswer it for me. Why should the user complain about something he didn't pay for?

[QUOTE]Reanswer it for me. Why should the user complain about something he didn't pay for?[/QUOTE] why should a citizen complain about other people killing citizens? after all this citizen has yet to die? should he not be worried that more of this wrongness will happen? i'd think so! rofl you have no clue about computers

[QUOTE]why should a citizen complain about other people killing citizens? after all this citizen has yet to die? should he not be worried that more of this wrongness will happen? i'd think so![/QUOTE] Let me rephrase. Why should you be complaining that you didn't get something you didn't pay for? [QUOTE]rofl you have no clue about computers[/QUOTE] This coming from the fool who has the option of running Linux, yet chooses to simultaneously bash Microsoft and use their software. Classic.

baaaaaaa microsoft sheeep classic

What's classic is that you call me a sheep, when you're the only one not qualifying your opinions.

the questions you have have answered by me, yet you have yet to pertake of them. maybe after a few years you will see the truth!

Nope, I don't have an answer from you. All you did was call me a sheep, which is a true description of yourself.

By the way, if you respond to this thread after this current response or start a new one, you're a sheep.