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Is Microsoft Office 2003 Worth the Upgrade?

malebolgia   on 15 July 2003 - 18:54 · 47 comments & 3145 views

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The standard edition of Office 2003 will not allow an organization to create a custom XML schema that it can publish and share with its partners, Smiley said. That feature will be available in only the professional and enterprise versions of the product. In the less expensive, standard version, information saved in XML will be stored in the Microsoft native XML schema, a schema that up until now Microsoft has not published.

There’s no way around it. Microsoft Office 2003, the upgrade to Microsoft’s productivity suite set to be released in the second half of this year, is a “tweener.” It is not a major upgrade that ushers in a new era of features and functionality, but it does provide a number of welcome enhancements, especially for enterprise users.

Office 2003 has some compelling elements that will entice many enterprises to evaluate and test drive it, even though few may eventually plunk down cash for the upgrade. The most significant of those elements is the suite’s support for Extensible Markup Language (XML), a de facto standard data format for Web services. By supporting XML, Microsoft is adding a whole new twist to Office, one that will eventually take the suite far from its original roots.

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(13 replies) #1 Mr. Black on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:05
Pay for the upgrade? I haven't paid for Office since Office 2000. And that cost $500+.
There is no way in hell I am paying $500+ again for an Office suite that is outdated in 2 years usually.

For my $500, I'll take 2 Free Pirated Versions, i.e. XP and 2003 in addition to 2000, that way I feel like I got my money's worth
#1.1 Jason on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:21
If you don't want Office 2003 then don't get it or pirate it either.

Just because you bought Office 2000 does NOT give you the right to copy Office 2003, if you want a copy of this then pay up again.

Just because MS upgrade their softare doesn't mean you have to have it, do you for example need to upgrade your TV when ever the manufacturer upgrades the spec, or do you expect that for free to ?
#1.2 Mr. Black on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:08
I'll take whatever I want, thank you. You can pay the $500+ plus fees but some people like me cannot afford it. And I'm not arguing over "then don't use it if you can't afford it", companies should lower the price. Period. I pay for it when I can afford it and like it.

And when it's features that I need, yes, I do need to upgrade. And I upgraded my TV only after it broke after 25 years of use

You goody two-shoe types...*sigh*.
#1.3 deadmonkey on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:55
What a load of crap! If you had to you could afford to pay for it, you just don't want to. Why make up BS saying "oh I can't afford it, so I will have to download it from the net" when what you really mean is "ahh I would rather spend it on something else, why pay when you can get it for free?"

If you don't want to pay for it then don't it isn't my problem, I admit Microsoft won't go bust as people will buy it and we all know Microsoft will not lower the prices if everyone bought a legit copy so I am not saying you are keeping the prices high (I do agree that more people would pay if it was cheaper).

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#1.4 daveoc64 on 15 Jul 2003 - 22:07
QUOTE (#1.0)
Pay for the upgrade? I haven't paid for Office since Office 2000. And that cost $500+.
There is no way in hell I am paying $500+ again for an Office suite that is outdated in 2 years usually.

For my $500, I'll take 2 Free Pirated Versions, i.e. XP and 2003 in addition to 2000, that way I feel like I got my money's worth

So that means that if I can't afford the latest model of a car I can go and steal it because I can't afford it does it?
#1.5 syndicate on 15 Jul 2003 - 23:03
I'm not agreeing with the original poster, but that argument is so old and tired. It is not even pertinant to the the situation.

If you steal a car from a stealership or what not, that company has _lost_ a car. That car generally cannot be recovered. Whereas pirating software is different, the copyright holder does not 'lose' a copy of the software, because software doesn't 'exist.' I'm not arguing the morality of either argument, just that yours isn't relevant.
#1.6 Jugalator on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:51
QUOTE (#1.4)
So that means that if I can't afford the latest model of a car I can go and steal it because I can't afford it does it?

No, he mean you can produce a brand new clone of the car for free if you can't afford it. :-)

Copying software isn't stealing in THAT meaning of the word. Illegally copying software is copyright infringement. Since companies say they lose money on those activities, they compare it to stealing. Actually, the part about loosing money on it isn't really 100% true either, since many I know including myself wouldn't buy some software if they couldn't "warez" it, especially software updates like this one. They don't lose a dime in these cases. The problem with BSA's and similar antipiracy organizations assumptions is that they usually assume that 100% of pirated software is lost revenue. This is definitely not true, since lots of currently pirated software wouldn't be bought if it couldn't be pirated. If I couldn't pirate Office 2003, I would stick with Office XP which came with my computer. So they aren't losing any revenues if I would choose to pirate Office 2003, since there's no way in hell I would buy it even if they made a 100% proof copy protection.

Anyway, you're not TAKING anything from them "physically". You're producing a brand new copy. Still illegal though since it's copyrighted material.

Sorry if I'm picky, but I'm just getting tired of these kinds of poor analogies.
#1.7 JaggedFlame on 16 Jul 2003 - 03:10
Hey, Mr. Black. Office is not for you. Office is for businesses. Works is for you.

If you're stupid enough to think you have the right to copy software, that's bad enough. To do this with this mindset when you have a product geared for you sitting in store shelves for less than eighty dollars is just plain retarded.

Oh, and if you're still stubborn and dumb enough to think that Office is for you, no one's putting a gun to your head to upgrade. I know people who are still using Office 95. They don't seem to be complaining.

If you're gonna copy software, do it. If you're gonna try to justify it, go jump off a bridge, because it'd be a better use of your time.
#1.8 Lancing on 16 Jul 2003 - 03:59
Who really cares? We've all stolen or copied something in our life no matter what it is.. why do we all have to bitch about this.
#1.9 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:46
b/c ppl have nothing better to do with ther lives i agree with u tho...yea really stop ya biznatchin over fake or real copies of software....hey this is the new way to steal copies .....w/e i dont care....u guys are a big bore.....why the hell did i even write anything.... uhh no one respond please
#1.10 theh0g on 16 Jul 2003 - 07:37
QUOTE (#1.
Who really cares? We've all stolen or copied something in our life no matter what it is.. why do we all have to bitch about this.

Amen!
#1.11 JaggedFlame on 16 Jul 2003 - 14:30
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Who really cares? We've all stolen or copied something in our life no matter what it is.. why do we all have to bitch about this.


Yes, and the argument all starts when some idiot tries to justify it, or starts claiming it's his right.

If you're gonna copy a CD, do it and keep your mouth shut. We don't need to hear some uninformed crap about how the price gives you the right to do it. And it's just irresistible to point out that Mr. Black is pirating a piece of software he doesn't even want.
#1.12 Mr. Black on 16 Jul 2003 - 17:21
Jagged, Office is for whoever needs it. It's a tool. I don't see it being geared specifically towards businesses twit.

And I'm not rationalizing stealing. Yes, It's not right. I do what I want, and you do what you want. Buy it. Copy it. Steal it. It's your choice, and my choice is my own.
#1.13 JaggedFlame on 16 Jul 2003 - 17:49
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Jagged, Office is for whoever needs it. It's a tool. I don't see it being geared specifically towards businesses twit.


Office is for the office, you idiot. Have you read the product description lately?

QUOTE
The world's leading suite of productivity software, Microsoft Office helps you complete common business tasks, including word processing, e-mail, presentations, data management and analysis, and much more.


And how about Works?

QUOTE
Works Suite 2003 contains six quality Microsoft programs—including the full version of Microsoft Word—integrated into one great affordable package. Your whole family will have fun and be more productive accomplishing projects for home, school, and community.


Yes, there is a student version of Office, but it's cheap. Nowhere near $500. You lose.

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And I'm not rationalizing stealing.


Oh, is that so? Are you sure you were the same person who said, "I pirate it because some people like me cannot afford it and companies should lower prices?"

Microsoft shouldn't have to lower prices because dumbasses like you are too stupid to read the product descriptions.
#2 DJ Prem on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:09
Yeap....
(1 reply) #3 SHoTTa35 on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:11
hell yeah!! This office i'd actually, the student pack or something. Or maybe just get the programs i'd actually really use such as outlook and word. The rest i don't really use (hardly use word either but i just like to have it) but i'd say it's DEFINITELY worth the upgrade.
#3.1 DrunkenMaster on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:45
Problem is the student pack is a gamble sometimes.

Some companies (MSFT included) offer student versions of the program which are basically the home edition for a lower price - still a good deal. They might also bundle the PRO version but leave out some features. I'd check w/ MSFT first to make sure.
(1 reply) #4 GwaRGuITaR on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:13
Outlook is worth it in my opinion. But maybe not the rest. Thank god for my company being MSDN subscribers...
#4.1 kuroneko on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:40
The only reason I didn't use Outlook before was because of it's GUI and that it looked like something from Windows 95. Now I wait for my beta to expire and Outlook 2003 to go away.
(10 replies) #5 xStainDx on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:17
Frontpage 2003 is worth my upgrade
#5.1 mbg on 15 Jul 2003 - 19:47
Agreed. On paper, it looks like a big improvement.
#5.2 Lancing on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:13
It is i've used it myself.
#5.3 xStainDx on 15 Jul 2003 - 22:06
Throw away the paper, use the damn thing .

Intelliscense in the code window..weeeeeeeeeeee
#5.4 nacs on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:07
Oh geez. Anybody who uses Frontpage needs to be shot. That program creates some of the ugliest, most bloated, non-standard code out there.

I'd highly recommend a real web editor like Dreamweaver MX for those even considering Frontpage 2003.
#5.5 Jugalator on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:54
FP 2003 might be useful... If its feature set is quadrupled in this new release and all bloat it adds to the code is removed. Otherwise it will still not keep up with Dreamweaver MX.
#5.6 JaggedFlame on 16 Jul 2003 - 03:14
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I'd highly recommend a real web editor like Dreamweaver MX for those even considering Frontpage 2003.


I'd highly recommend you freakin' use FrontPage 2003 before you spew out some uninformed bullsh*t about how it sucks. No, FrontPage does not create ugly and bloated code anymore. If you used it, you would notice the improvement.

For the moment, I'll stick with Dreamweaver MX for its XHTML features, but FrontPage is close behind now.
#5.7 Lancing on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:01
I use both and I always have. One is easier than the other for certain things.
#5.8 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:48
QUOTE (#5.4)
Oh geez. Anybody who uses Frontpage needs to be shot. That program creates some of the ugliest, most bloated, non-standard code out there.

I'd highly recommend a real web editor like Dreamweaver MX for those even considering Frontpage 2003.

ppl can use what they feel like ....so shut up
#5.9 Hawkeye on 16 Jul 2003 - 05:12
Arr. You people don't realize that FrontPage 2003 will not be bundled with any of the various Office System 2003 suites. This time around, it will be available only as a standalone product. On the other hand, Publisher 2003 will be included in some of the bigger Office 2003 suites.

Also, InfoPath and OneNote won't be inluded with any of the retail verions of Office 2003. InfoPath will only be available in the Professional Enterprise Edition, and OneNote, just like FrontPage, will only be a available as a standalone product.
#5.10 xStainDx on 16 Jul 2003 - 08:24
Thats ok, my student discount is still active.
#6 Justin03248 on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:04
Yes, give me student edition and Frontpage. This Office rocks!

(my MSFT stock will be rising soon... The empire strikes back... muhahahah)
(1 reply) #7 Justin03248 on 15 Jul 2003 - 20:05
Plus, people will be more productive. Instead of seeing the ugliest GUI ever in Office XP, they'll be like, "mmmmmmmmm, high color icon with gradient shades of blue......yum"
#7.1 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:50
eye candy! whoooo hooo!!!
(1 reply) #8 Huezo on 15 Jul 2003 - 21:52
I looked at the Office 2003 Screenshots and IT BURNS MY EYES, I thought Office 2003 was for... um... office work, now it looks like a PC Game. Either I'm staying with OfficeXP or going Linux/StarOffice.
#8.1 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:51
eye candy is nice....pc games are nice...stop ya bitchin
(1 reply) #9 BGM on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:08
when work is fun, more gets done ... i think
#9.1 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:51
agree!
#10 nacs on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:10
Do I want to pay a couple hundred dollars to purchase Office 2k3 when OpenOffice works just fine for everything I do? Hell no.
#11 eXplosive on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:26
All I want is Outlook 2k3.
(1 reply) #12 Trust on 16 Jul 2003 - 01:33
QUOTE

Is Microsoft Office 2003 Worth the Upgrade?

No
#12.1 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:52
yes spawn of saten !
(1 reply) #13 Righty on 16 Jul 2003 - 02:15
open office all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#13.1 DrunkenMaster on 16 Jul 2003 - 02:28
Wish I could do that too. Prob is when I do group assignments in University, the *whole* group is using Word/Excel and I can't properly import a lot of the files in either ABI or Excel. Even asking people to go File.....Save as...... "text document" is too labourious. They don't get it. Save me undo stress just by using Word/Excel.

I've also send resumes and the HR people send me an e-mail saying "We will only accept Word documents".

Sigh. Guess I have to stick w/ Office for now.
(1 reply) #14 CheeseCow on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:16
While Office2k3 looks very polished with the new icons and the more candy-like style, it isn't worth it if you are just going to write a couple letters or check your mail, you can stick with whatever old version just fine. Even if Outlook is the application which have gotten the largest overhaul, nothing quite compares to the wonderful composer and mail system found in Ximian Evolution

And about OpenOffice - they can import most Word and Excel documents without any problems. And export too I think. If not, you can use the RTF format instead, at least with OfficeXP/2k3 installed it will have the same icon, and no one will know the difference.

Also, Gnumeric now works close to perfect with Excel(screenshots are old).


IMHO, if I have OfficeXP, Office2k3 is worrth a $50 upgrade price. Which there won't be anyway.
#14.1 jl7c2 on 16 Jul 2003 - 21:02
I'm right there with ya. I have not had problems opening or saving Word files in OpenOffice.org Writer (1.1). Why would I need to pay all the money for Office 2003 when OOo just works? And Ximian Evolution combines perfect fuctionality and usability into a great looking package.
#15 helloalexb on 16 Jul 2003 - 04:56
eye candy is a must in the workplace...ppl love to work in a happy envirerment not sumthing that is dull and boring .....just look at neowin its happy b/c it looks nice now look at some old outdated website....its sad and askes for help b/c no one likes it

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#16 Galley_SimRacer on 16 Jul 2003 - 13:49
I still think it's a crock that OneNote won't be included in Office. Anyway, gobeProductive does everything I need an office suite to do, and several things that Office cannot do.

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