Microsoft software "riddled with vulnerabilities"
Posted by malebolgia on 30 August 2003 - 21:56 · 18 comments & 1035 views
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#1 Posted by elliot on 30 Aug 2003 - 22:14
- the only thing the blaster worm highlighted was that 90% of computer users have absolutely no idea how to use them
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#1.1 Posted by Spectre on 30 Aug 2003 - 23:18
- exactly. if everyone patched their systems like microsoft and even the freaking government told them, none of this would've happened.
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#1.2 Posted by Jon on 30 Aug 2003 - 23:51
- And the point that every one has missed (because so many people would need to eat humble pie I guess..) that personal firewalls are next to useless in 90% of cases, as users (even supposedly educated neowin members) dont have a clue how to configure them correctly.
The number of "I'm too l33t for antivirus software" people who were infected on neowin was comical, it really made me grin. They mouth off a lot, but obviously can't even configure their personal firewall. -
#1.3 Posted by gameguy on 31 Aug 2003 - 07:28
QUOTE (#1.2) The number of "I'm too l33t for antivirus software" people who were infected on neowin was comical, it really made me grin. They mouth off a lot, but obviously can't even configure their personal firewall.
most of them don't even use firewalls 
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#2 Posted by beatlesdb on 30 Aug 2003 - 23:24
- This is typical of governments - the people who make all the complaints normally don't even use a computer - or bother to consult with their own Computer departments - but Innuendo and rumours are more than good enough for these people.
I agree that there are many vulnerabilities in Microsoft software - but this is mainly due to the fact that Microsoft have tried to create a product based on user needs - most of these needs require network and internet access.
If you want the system to be 100% safe - un-plug the network cable - DONE! But people need external access - and there will always be someone out there trying to find a security hole.
I admire the way Microsoft takes the criticism and continues to make the necessary security fixes as they are found - most people that complain about Microsoft’s lack of security rarely even visit the Windows Update site. The latest MS Blast proves this - the fix was available in JULY but so many people where still infected.
Microsoft have also tried to help this by adding the Automatic software updates to their OS - but people tend to turn this feature off as they do not understand what it is for - or are just ignorant. -
#2.1 Posted by Corpus on 02 Sep 2003 - 14:23
QUOTE (#2.0) <Microsoft have also tried to help this by adding the Automatic software updates to their OS - but people tend to turn this feature off as they do not understand what it is for - or are just ignorant.>
Either you are "just ignorant" or you just started using a computer a week ago. The real reason most people turn it off is because of MS's loooong history of introducing more bugs and vulnerabilities with their "patches", or they suddenly find that their webcam won't work or whatever. When the OS is updated there are going to be things that worked before that are now going to cause problems, its an unavoidable fact, the people who turn it off do so because they know that, not because they don't know what it is for.
Gimmee' a break, over?
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#3 Posted by Electroglitter on 30 Aug 2003 - 23:25
- Yup, i totally agree. Microsofts admits to holes and vulnerabilities and they issue patches and services packs. If users dont update there systems then thats not microsoft fault. they have automatic updating for a reason, as with norton auto update.
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#4 Posted by SomeDork on 30 Aug 2003 - 23:48
- Lets not forget that, personally I'm impressed as all heck with Windows 2003. Since going gold it's had 1 critical vulnerability and two more not so critical. That's comparable with any other OS out there, as long as you include the whole distribution...
The problem is the comparing unix kernels and the windows "distribution" is like comparing apples to oranges.
MS has done a fine job with patch management. The trust levels need to be raised -- we need to be able to accept an autoupdate strategy. -
#4.1 Posted by insurektion on 31 Aug 2003 - 05:34
- or Apple (Macs) and Windows
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#5 Posted by AgEnTsMiTh on 31 Aug 2003 - 00:04
- Nothing is 100% secure.
The old saying stays true to our current days. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. As long as someone wants to create problems, they will find a way to do it.
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#6 Posted by Octol on 31 Aug 2003 - 00:05
- This story should have started out, "The CCIA, a violently anti-Microsoft industry group, urged that..."
Actually, it shouldn't have started out at all, since it isn't even news, but a mere reprint of one piece of anti-Microsoft propaganda farted out by one of Microsoft's enemies.
If this bullsh*t had an ounce of truth or legitimacy, then it would be "news" and worth publishing, but it doesn't and isn't.
Frankly, I'd never even heard of this CCIA before I read about them here, but five minutes on their website showed me what they were all about.
This crap hardly measures up to the Inquirer's low standards. I'm truly surprised that it was published here. -
#6.1 Posted by cheesegoduk on 31 Aug 2003 - 00:48
QUOTE (#6.0) Frankly, I'd never even heard of this CCIA before I read about them here, but five minutes on their website showed me what they were all about.
Ouch, I went and had a quick look as well, and yes I agree with you here, Every other news item was something to do with microsoft bashing etc, It is clearly one of the most biased sites out there,
Also in reply to the other posts saying that its not microsofts fault users didn't patch, I agree with 100% I've lost count of people who have moaned abour there systems being infected, upon pointing out that the patch was there a month ago and that I pointed it out to them when it was released, The reply tended to be "I couldn;t be bothered"
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#7 Posted by ripgut on 31 Aug 2003 - 03:29
- only newbs get viruses
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#8 Posted by Zatko55 on 31 Aug 2003 - 04:49
- Microsoft is a virus
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#9 Posted by insurektion on 31 Aug 2003 - 05:40
- Email sent to them :
"Are you guys insane. Recommending people to not use Microsoft products. Any operating system as popular and widely using as Windows is bound to be hackers #1 choice. And if a hacker wants in there is NOTHING that can stop him as long as your connected to the net. I would say Microsoft has done a tremendous job of releasing fixes and patches as necessary. You may as well not recommend breathing air as you could get sick from airborne viruses. CCIA should be Crackhead Computing Industry Association."
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#10 Posted by gameguy on 31 Aug 2003 - 07:34
- you know, sometimes i wish that in this country we didn't have freedom of the press. i know it's a good thing, but more often than not, in today's world, all i hear is crap on the news. and most of it's biased one way or the other i find out later. **** like this needs to be kept in these idiots's heads, where no one is bothered by it.
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#11 Posted by DsnBehind on 31 Aug 2003 - 08:39
- Then, the CCIA discovered that all software is "riddled with vulnerabilities". The year is 2003 and up is not down. Good god!
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