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eBay user attempts to sell AAC music files

me101   on 03 September 2003 - 17:41 · 47 comments & 5235 views

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Thanks to NeoMayhem for pointing me ot this interesting article... Thought this would "spark" some interesting discussion regarding the arena of DRM vs the right of first sale...

"georgeh734", a seller on eBay is attempting to sell a song he purchased on Apple's iTunes Music store (current bidding has driven the 99c original purchase price to $7.51 and now currently stands at $350 )!

As George says on the eBay auction site and on his weblog, he's selling the song because does not like the song anymore and feels like it pales in comparison to it's original, so he's attempting to sell the song, and at the same time, test the waters regarding selling a song downloaded vs a CD bought.

Here are some points he has brought up...
  • It's true that I'm seeking attention, but not for me personally. This is an experiment in property rights in the digital age, something that's gotten surprisingly little attention.
  • 2. I've read the iTunes agreements and found nothing denying transferability. This isn't any more a commercial venture than selling CDs at the local music store, I'm not incorporated or even DBA. Furthermore, in case anyone thinks this is a cheap way to make a buck I will be donating all proceeds to the EFF.
  • 3. When the song is successfully transferred, I will not be keeping a copy of the song. If I don't own it I shouldn't have a copy.
Can this type of transaction be completed within the confinds of the Apple DRM model ?

And will it give the lucky auction winner have the necessary time to enjoy their purchase before we're all toast in 2014!

News source: eBay auction - Double Dutch Bus by Devin Vasquez
View: 90% Crud weblog - Does the Right of First Sale Still Exist?


Sony US gave the green light for the game to be released in North America in July, and so everyone at Core kept their jobs. Sony Europe, however, refused to put their stamp of approval on a product that was so unfinished, and Core was given until August to get it released in Europe. As we all know, they got it out in the rest of the world in August, still not as polished and finished to their liking, but better than the version that shipped to the States. And, despite what Eidos says, they reached their target goals for the year concerning profits.

Shortly after the release of AOD, the department heads at Eidos got together and blasted Core for being "late" in releasing the game, despite the fact that they got it out nearly six months in advance of the time they were slated to release it. Rather than taking the blame for this themselves, they decided to make an example out of the managers at Core and essentially forced both Jeremy and his brother Adrian Smith (who practically FOUNDED Core) to resign. The rest of the staff was told that a review board would be formed later to decide what to do with the rest of the staff. They also informed Core that even though they invented and developed the character of Lara Croft and the Tomb Raider video games, Eidos was taking the rights and giving them to Crystal Dynamics, another subsidiary of Eidos (who owns Core and several other development houses in both the US and Europe).

Eidos kept Core in the dark for the next few weeks, with the Eidos Human Relations head coming down and telling them they weren't sure what was going to happen or when or what game Core would be working on next.

Apparently, a group of Core staff met with Jeremy Smith about ten days ago and learned that he is starting up another software development company, that he was basically going to start from scratch, and that he'd picked about 30 people to take with him. This new company is going to be in Derby, somewhere around the current Core building, and is being tenatively named "Circle Studios". Of the people he picked, he said that he was taking mappers, programmers, writers and animators, but didn't have the finances to take any members of the test team, musicians or producers at the moment and they would have to stay with Core for the time being.

A few days later, the Eidos HR guy came back and informed them that Jeremy Smith was, indeed, being allowed to start a new development company (his contract originally stipulated that if he left Core/Eidos, he would not be able to start another development house for at least twelve months) and what was left of the Core staff was going to be reduced even further. Eidos currently has no need of the Core testing staff and a few other people were also selected for dismissal, about twenty people in all. Everyone left at Core would be set to work on a new, smaller project so that Eidos can still keep the name 'Core' in active use (which would help given how much exposure they've had in the world).

Another item that was disclosed to Game Bunker was that Core was in the process of creating another "Fighting Force" game which, according to my source was, "looking really good and could have been released in Feb. 2004". This game, however, was canned and shelved by Eidos after the major staff cuts.

In closing, my informant is one of the people who has been "made redundant" (read as: fired) at Core, the job to be terminated as of the 1st of September.

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(1 reply) #1 kemical on 03 Sep 2003 - 17:51
yea this wont last long
#1.1 mipra on 13 Nov 2003 - 03:25
it sure wont
(5 replies) #2 Fedr0 on 03 Sep 2003 - 17:53
QUOTE
before we're all toast in 2014!

LOL, do you by any chance refer to the kilometer wide asteroid?
#2.1 me101 on 03 Sep 2003 - 17:54
sssshhhh... don't tell anyone... it's a BIG secret
#2.2 Fedr0 on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:05
LOL, ok...
#2.3 Sawyer12 on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:44
i was wondering what he meant by that
#2.4 DigitalFreedom on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:14
LOL, the one that everyone was worred about for a year in like 1950, and then nasa figured out it will miss, but just BARELY, i donno the date, that its going to come around, but its going to look amazing if it skims your part of the sky it will look like a huge ball of fire moving like a highway in the sky, nasa said it will only last something like 30 seconds, and it will be over india i think, not too sure about that
#2.5 YaddaMe on 04 Sep 2003 - 06:37
QUOTE
LOL, the one that everyone was worred about for a year in like 1950, and then nasa figured out it will miss, but just BARELY, i donno the date, that its going to come around, but its going to look amazing if it skims your part of the sky it will look like a huge ball of fire moving like a highway in the sky, nasa said it will only last something like 30 seconds, and it will be over india i think, not too sure about that


I would sincerely like to see you source for such jibberish.... the one everyone else is talking about was just 'discovered' 2 weeks ago.... any onto your psychoblabber...

A ball of fire? So that would possibly mean it would be passing through our atmosphere? Yet not crashing ito earth??

30 seconds? Do you have any clue how close the thing would have to be to appear to travel across our sky for a mere 30seconds? If it were that close.... it would surely be pulled straight into earth by our gravity.

Kudos to you for the laugh though

Last edited by 10547 on 04 Sep 2003 - 08:05
#3 Fubar on 03 Sep 2003 - 17:53
be intresting to see what comes about from all this
#4 Chipi on 03 Sep 2003 - 17:54
I hate the DRM!
(1 reply) #5 tronmaster on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:01
Doesnt he know that according to the RIAA you don't own the song? Can't wait for the Federal Government to go after him!
#5.1 Jon on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:05
No but you own a license to it, and according to his research, the license is transferable.
#6 hardcore on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:21
it will be interesting to hear the outcome of this
#7 deadmonkey on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:35
well done is what i say i hope he sells it
(3 replies) #8 betax on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:36
take this for a spin.

1. You buy a CD from a store and you get the CD and inherently a license to play it.

2. Your CD breaks and you are left with a useless license for a broken CD (unplayable)

In a perfect world you could:
a. Display your license and get a replacement CD.
b. Sell back (refund) your license by the manufacture. (minus the cost of media)

Since conditions a or b dont work in (this) day in age... there is one thing that people can try..

c. Sell their license to someone who can better use it.

I believe that this auction will put a whole new light on the subject of licenses... after all you paid for the license... cant you sell it?
#8.1 primortal on 03 Sep 2003 - 19:10
you can re-sell the cd's you bought why not the digital version....
#8.2 Jon on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:48
Betax, very interesting points!
#8.3 mipra on 13 Nov 2003 - 03:25
haha...no..you just dont want to buy from them..they are ripping u
#9 DrewUVM on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:47
i think we will see some major changes in laws because there is now way to enforce this type of thing cost effectivly.
#10 Tom Servo on 03 Sep 2003 - 18:49
AFAIK does the iPod software not allow rights transfers on iTunes files.
(1 reply) #11 raid517 on 03 Sep 2003 - 19:19
AFAIK the DRM on Apple machines is tied to that specific machine ID. If you try to transfer it it won't work. So all in all, not much point in it really.

Q
#11.1 superfula on 03 Sep 2003 - 19:57
You can have three Macs' ids associated with one song. You just have to call Apple and request a different machine be tied to it. Not really a big deal
#12 phen!x on 03 Sep 2003 - 20:22
ROFL, what a fool
#13 Skyfrog on 03 Sep 2003 - 20:23
Current bid: US $274.69
(5 replies) #14 simm_isengard on 03 Sep 2003 - 20:24
Have you seen the auction price now? Its at 300.00 and climbing, from refreshing 3 min apart it jumped about 50 bucks! Wow, too bad I wasnt the first to do this!
#14.1 Skyfrog on 03 Sep 2003 - 20:27
Too bad nobody is really going to pay that though. They've turned it into another prank auction, whether he was serious or not.
#14.2 netizen on 03 Sep 2003 - 20:44
It's entirely possible that journalists from sites like The Inq or The Reg will be bidding for this, big thing for them if they can get the scoop on it.
#14.3 Skyfrog on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:01
But is a scoop worth $9,700?
#14.4 netizen on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:37
Hot poop, my eyes! I swear it was at $350 when i posted! Ah well it will probably die now.
#14.5 mipra on 13 Nov 2003 - 03:25
#15 SimplyPotatoes on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:34
man what a smart person, i wish i could get 350$ for one song thats freaking crazy i wonder what the song i?S?
#16 antareus on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:37
Sounds like georgeh734 is fighting for our iTunes rights!

"georgeh734" shall go down in history!! We must rally behind georgeh734. The preceding 734 georgeh's merely led the way for georgeh734 to come in and force the hand of fate!!
(1 reply) #17 Jon on 03 Sep 2003 - 21:53
Current bid:
US $20,100.00

ooooooooooooooooooook then.
#17.1 mipra on 13 Nov 2003 - 03:26
am i seeing right? 20,000?
#18 SimplyPotatoes on 03 Sep 2003 - 22:04
gaha ya i bid that!
#19 NeoMayhem on 03 Sep 2003 - 22:18
LOL, sure has gone up in price since the $1.03 it was at when I posted this on the forum
#20 herrmitt1 on 04 Sep 2003 - 03:57
I dont understand how someone could pay 20 grand for a song that you can get from apple's store for 1 dollar, or even just buying the cd for 15 dollars.

Am I missing something?
#21 betax on 04 Sep 2003 - 04:02
Some people want a piece of history :-P Or....

Apple could be trying to buy the song
:: whistle ::
(1 reply) #22 XChrome on 04 Sep 2003 - 04:15
The bid is: 2,555.00 US not 20K.
This is history cause if they cannot tranfers Apple has sum splainin to do.
Also the money goes to a great foundation for internet rights.
#22.1 Jon on 04 Sep 2003 - 12:46
Err so you're saying I made it up? nice.

The bid must have been retracted.
#23 Stelex on 04 Sep 2003 - 06:20
It's US $ 15,099.00 !!!

How about a quick bet on it here ? I'd say it'll go for $ 63,900
Someone is throwing a lot of money to stab RIAA's heart (well done)

By the way, can anyone remember what song that was, without clicking back to eBay ?

Mike
#24 antny_uk on 04 Sep 2003 - 09:18
Double Dutch Bus by Devin Vasquez
-from the 'Master of disguise' OST

currently $16,600...
#25 funkyMonkey on 04 Sep 2003 - 13:32
Why would someone pay $16000 or more for a song they can go back and buy on itunes or buymusic

example: http://www.buymusic.com/product.aspx?sku=200552599
#26 NytMare on 04 Sep 2003 - 20:12
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2555673237
"Invalid Item
The item you requested ( 2555673237 ) is invalid, still pending, or no longer in our database."

#27 me101 on 04 Sep 2003 - 21:23
it's now been deleted from eBay...
#28 Devlin on 05 Sep 2003 - 04:54
How cruddy ebay would delete his auction, hell they let people steal from others all the time, I remember a time that if you had more than 3 negatives they investigated your transactions to try to see if you were indeed a scam artist. now there are new users with their first feedbacks as negatives yet the accounts still exisits!!!! at -1. I say a newbee that had a zero rating after 8 auctions. He got 4 positives and 4 negatives!! yet this song gets pulled DAMM YOU EBAY. then again I cannot bring myself to believe that the high bidder had any intention on paying the money and alot of it was just to beef it up Damm you too you No paying bidders!
also I must close with a heart felt FU&K THE RIAA. come find me through my router and firewall and the fact that I re-encode my downloads HA HA HA. And you think I should pay $20 for a CD with what 2 good songs on it. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DIGITAL AGE! get over yourself and market the stuff online and make it cheap and quality and you will see it fly from your servers, that is if you know what a server is?
man this is way to long I am so tired by now
#29 mipra on 13 Nov 2003 - 03:26
They are pulling the auc off

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