"An ongoing debate has been raging since the G5's announcement which asks that we define the G5 as either a "desktop" or "workstation" class computer". Editorial contributor Harry Rider believes that the fact that such a debate exists at all, is a major detractor to the advancement this new computer brings, and that the computer is not either/or, but instead, both a desktop AND workstation.
Since the introduction of Apple's G5, there has been a debate as to whether or not this new computer is in fact a "desktop" or "workstation" class computer. The argument by itself is a ridiculous one, as these titles are solely determined by the manor in which an individual uses the computer. Trying to differentiate between the two terms is a lesson in futility. Dictionary.com defines "workstation" as such: workstation n: a desktop computer that is conventionally considered to be more powerful than a microcomputer. If that definition isn't obscure, I don't know what is!
The fact that the debate exists at all, is a testament to the tenacity of those individuals who strive to to discredit Apple's retail efforts at every turn. The argument goes like this. If the G5 is regarded as "workstation", then Apple's "desktop" is then relegated to the company's G4 lineup. As we all know, the G4 is regarded by the masses (albeit inappropriately) as "massively underpowered" when compared to its x86 competition. If then the G4 is Apple's real "desktop" then the speed crown Apple took back with the G5 is supposedly lost.
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Since the introduction of Apple's G5, there has been a debate as to whether or not this new computer is in fact a "desktop" or "workstation" class computer. The argument by itself is a ridiculous one, as these titles are solely determined by the manor in which an individual uses the computer. Trying to differentiate between the two terms is a lesson in futility. Dictionary.com defines "workstation" as such: workstation n: a desktop computer that is conventionally considered to be more powerful than a microcomputer. If that definition isn't obscure, I don't know what is!
The fact that the debate exists at all, is a testament to the tenacity of those individuals who strive to to discredit Apple's retail efforts at every turn. The argument goes like this. If the G5 is regarded as "workstation", then Apple's "desktop" is then relegated to the company's G4 lineup. As we all know, the G4 is regarded by the masses (albeit inappropriately) as "massively underpowered" when compared to its x86 competition. If then the G4 is Apple's real "desktop" then the speed crown Apple took back with the G5 is supposedly lost.
Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., described the original moratorium as "something of an experiment" and declared it a success. Keeping Internet access tax-free will give more people access, he said.
"It's just a little bit too expensive for a lot of people," Cox said. "A nick here, and a little bit of nickels and dimes here, would add up to a serious amount of taxation for most people."
The House on Wednesday also passed a bill that would cut taxes $12.7 billion over the next decade. It aims at encouraging more charitable giving. The nine states who impose a communications tax on Internet connections stand to lose $80 million to $120 million a year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Several Texas Democrats opposed the bill, including Rep. Gene Green, who said Texas would lose $45 million a year in tax revenue.
"I don't need to remind my colleagues of the fiscal crisis that our states are currently finding ourselves in, including the state of Texas," Green said.
A similar Senate bill, approved by a committee and awaiting floor debate, would give states that tax Internet connections three years to phase them out and find new sources of revenue. NCSL spokesman Neal Osten said states also worry that a permanent moratorium will lead to confusion when telecommunications companies develop new technologies never contemplated by the law. When the first moratorium was introduced in 1998, he noted, cell phones were a novelty and DSL service had no consumer market.
New technologies might have to fight their way into the tax exemption.
"It's going to be a battle then to get Congress to focus," he said.
The bill does not affect sales taxes on goods purchased over the Internet. An organization of state governments plans to propose a plan next week to streamline state sales tax collections on Internet commerce.

why would someone want to show a G5 is better than a PC? better means more market share, more market share means more programs for Macs, more games and more apps. slowly gaining speed until the PC user is the minority and the Mac user can say he/she was right all along, and can justify their choice in computer. that's what this argument is all about, who is right. no one likes to be wrong, thus the mac vs pc war lives on
I always understood desktops / workstations to mean something like :
Desktop : lower powered, general / basic functions such as web browsing & email...
Workstation : higher end machine, possibly dual CPU, designed to be able to deal with powerful apps such as CAD, etc.
Again I dont REALLY know - I am jus trying to understand it / put an opinion on it.
you could make an argument that the 1.6 and 1.8 ghz g5 are strictly desktops, but once you put 2 chips in that baby and an above average price, the line between desktop and workstation is blurred.
whenever somebody talks about the price of the dual g5 and says that it's more expensive than a dell desktop or such, what's the first thing a Mac fan says?? compare the price of the system to an "equally" equipped dell workstation. well why are we comparing it to the price of a workstation if it's not a workstation??
Simply because you can't buy an off-the-shelf desktop PC with all the same features as the G5 without going to what other companies sell as a "workstation". Find me a desktop PC (any make or model) that has dual 64-bit CPU's, Serial-ATA hard drive, DVD-R, Firewire 800, USB 2.0, Bluetooth, and ever other single feature of the G5. If you can, please tell me the price of it. The same holds true for the PowerBooks, you have to go with a top of the line business notebook to come close to matching the specs on one of them. I priced both a 15" PowerBook and a Dell D800 the other day, and when I got through adding everything to the Dell that came standard on the PowerBook, the Dell was $6 more expensive, and the only reason that I was able to get it that close was by going with the slowest CPU that Dell offered on it, a P4 1.3Ghz (versus the 1.25Ghz G4).
4 years ago, a system like that would be considered a mainframe. In 4 years from now, that system will be a dinosaur.
However, if I had to put a label on it by todays standards, I would call it a workstation. Only because the person buying it would be using it as a DV machine.
However, the label 'server' must also be considered since 8GB of ram is very reasonable for database applications (Read: MySQL). So I guess its anything but a desktop.
I'm going to bed now, thinking about apple always makes me tired.
mostly just people who like to have the best for whatever reason. i remember a guy who bought a geforce 3 ti 500 right when they came out even though the only games he played were freecell and spider solitaire. /me shrugs again.
The G5 is nothing special; the benchmarks against the Opteron show it being decimated.
I have been wanting a MAC for a while (the first one i had was urrm well a LONG time ago
What sucks is the hardware is more expensive than a PC, the software is more expensive than a PC, and they give you a measly 6-month warranty on top of that. If they could lower thr prce to make it competitive with a PC, I'm sure their market share would increase drmatically.
last time i checked, windows xp pro was over $200. current version of os x is under $200 i believe. i really don't know what grounds you have for saying software in general is more expensive than windows software.
and finally, they are competitive with windows boxes if you actually take the time to compare the price of machines with the same components. at least my powerbook was $300 cheaper than a dell laptop with less.
I believe it was Apple who started this when they said that the Athlon 64bit was a workstation so therefore was not the first 64bit desktop/personal computer. This argument isn't about Apple's hardware IMO, but about their continually questionable marketing division. I can't think of anyone else in this industry that continually makes such broad claims about their systems. You know, ones like 'WORLDS FASTEST PERSONAL COMPUTER' :roll: I think we are all literate enough to understand that speed is relative to what you are actually doing with the computer.
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But what it is missing to be classified by most as a workstation is a highend graphics cards with either 256mb or 512mb of video memory, and I'm not talking about a cheap ATI Radeon 9800 Pro card either, like the one that I happy own and love.
It also is lacking highend fiber for hard drive connectors, serial ata is nice, but is lacking compared to SCSI. The hard disk also don't run at a high enough RPM, it should at least be 10,000 if not 15,000 RPM for any serious video editing.
I'm sure that one could solve these problems by hot swapping components, but the system isn't stock like this. It's also a matter of getting highend graphics card developers to write drivers for the Mac. Not game card and general purpose card, no matter how highend they are.
It would also be nice to see a real CAD program like AutoCAD ported to OSX. Photoshop and dreamweaver do not the workstation applications make.
That being said it really does look like a nice computer. OSX is begining to look more and more like a stable developer platform.
The actual memory limit is much higher than that, however that is the current limit imposed not by the system but by the availability (or lack thereof) of RAM modules greater than 1GB. The G5 has 8 slots, therefore the current limit is 8GB, but as soon as 2GB or 4GB RAM modules are available for it, the maximum RAM it can hold will increase (to 16GB or 32GB in those two examples). The true limit is in the multi-terabyte range, 16TB if I remember correctly. It's just a matter of having RAM modules big enough.
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