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Exclusive: Longhorn RTM Date

Tom Warren   on 24 September 2003 - 13:06 · 86 comments & 9034 views

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According to sources close to Microsoft the latest date set for Longhorn to go to manufacturing by is August 15, 2005. This date is due to be announced to many partners/OEMs and internally with Microsofts roadmap dates by the end of next month.

What does this mean for Longhorn? Aslong as they stick to the date then it's good news for those interested in the next Windows operating system and those wanting to get a better look at it. Microsoft are going to be dishing out a preview version designed for developers at their annual professional developers conference next month. It's not expected to be very different from the first few alphas we've witnessed and still lacking of the most important factor, aero (the much hyped UI for Longhorn).

From our calculations we're guessing that official beta testing will happen in early to mid 2004 and lasting just over a year. At release candidate stage the beta is expected to be an open beta allowing many customers to preview the next version of Windows. This latest date is always subject to change but you heard it here first.

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Availability
Samples of the NVIDIA GoForce 2150 are available to OEMs immediately; volume production is expected to begin in Q4 2003.

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#1 dougkinzinger on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:10
EDIT: See post below.

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(5 replies) #2 danbalsh on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:11
What's the point of giving such a precise RTM date for something that is almost 2 years away?
#2.1 creamhackered on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:12
Customer pressure
#2.2 danbalsh on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:31
Makes sense, but there is no chance of them getting it out on that date is there?
#2.3 briangw on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:14
I think there will be. They've been working on this OS for quite some time. And since MS learned their lesson with ME, a 3-4+ year development on the next Os is reasonable.
#2.4 rseiler on 24 Sep 2003 - 18:41
The point is that like with all previous major projects, you have to set a target and work toward it as best you can. Since MS won't release it before it's ready regardless of date, the timeframe will inevitably change, like practically all others have, but it's important to work toward something specific, otherwise there's a tendency to never finish. In this case, there's going to be a lot of incentive to hit it, since that time of year makes it available for back-to-school as well as the end-of-year holidays.
#2.5 twyst3d on 24 Sep 2003 - 19:16
gives you a chance to save up the rediculous amount of money its going to cost!
(1 reply) #3 yannis on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:11
Let's wait and see...
#3.1 ThunderRiver on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:33
Same here
#4 harryleung on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:33
interesting...
(9 replies) #5 tterb on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:34
cant wait to get my hands on all that DRM goodness
#5.1 rezza on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:00
personally, i can't wait to stay the **** away from all that DRM bull****. Windows server 2003 is the last version of windows i will run.
#5.2 DJ^TuRKiYe on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:17
QUOTE (#5.1)
personally, i can't wait to stay the **** away from all that DRM bull****. Windows server 2003 is the last version of windows i will run.

lol have fun then..
#5.3 ike on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:19
sigh...
#5.4 vetMr magoo on 24 Sep 2003 - 22:29
seriously folks- that thing is going to back with a little goodness, and alot of nastiness.

I promise you, like xp activation and stuff, that unless you hand over hard $$$ for it, the OS will be nout but trouble.
#5.5 werejag on 25 Sep 2003 - 03:17
i rember activation. wasnt that that failed attempt of microsoft to stop piracy?

#5.6 JaggedFlame on 25 Sep 2003 - 05:14
Of course not. As always, it was intended to stop casual copying, but not to stop piracy dead in its tracks.

I wouldn't expect you to know that, though, since you're always bent on talking sh*t about stuff you don't know.
#5.7 werejag on 25 Sep 2003 - 07:15
really show one post my dear head-in-the-sand fellow that i didnt know what i was talking about!!!

activation hasnt defeated casual copying. amatter a fact it has only helped fuel casual copying. now you have more people taking it as a challenge and thus increasing it.


activation only helped increase piracy

aint there a linux hate group you can join with the rest of the sheep?
#5.8 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:12
How wrong you are. I know numerous people who havent installed xp on more than one system at home from the same disk because of activation.
#5.9 werejag on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:22
i guess since you dont know numerous people who have installed xp on more than one system at home from the same disk because of activation, it makes it so.

guess that is the way the world turns


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#6 lucasvanos on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:42
Looks cool to me.
(1 reply) #7 kiddingguy on 24 Sep 2003 - 13:57
yep same here. can't wait for Aug. 15, 2005 (!)

however, are there still the controversial issues regarding hardware/bios/software/product-activation etc. issues involved in the Longhorn-thing?
#7.1 JaggedFlame on 24 Sep 2003 - 20:58
They know they're going to lose money if they make it too inconvenient to use, so I doubt it.
#8 AquaDex on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:02
Should I trust hackedcreamer or shouldn't I, that's the question.


lol j/k, Im neutral
(1 reply) #9 Arkos Reed on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:09
setting a precise MICROSOFT OS RTM date 2 years away LMAO
it's like predicting a bird will **** on yer head in 5 minutes while walking out
#9.1 epple on 25 Sep 2003 - 10:25
there's still a chance tho...
#10 oblomov on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:11
[This latest date is always subject to change but you heard it here first.]

eh no, i read it on Binks' site much earlier today
#11 osmel on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:13
DAMN thats a long time
(2 replies) #12 RangerLG on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:57
Maybe by then there will be some new features or support for new hardware that would make me intersted in upgrading. As of now, XP is working just great for me.
#12.1 ike on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:19
isn't that kinda the point of a new OS?
#12.2 _Pablo on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:41
Not for Windows ME!
#13 Tom Servo on 24 Sep 2003 - 14:59
If that's the date, expect the beta test to begin Q1/2004. They did 3/4 year to beta test a mere Office suite, that didnt expose too much changes over the old OfficeXP, Windows Longhorn however will feature some huge changes.
#14 Phoenix_25 on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:02
rofl at the 'made up' date.
#15 newsgeek on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:09
Yes well, that may be the expected RTM date, but, it will most likely not be that date... after more delays...
#16 SiXXGuNNZ on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:13
omghi2me, it's exclusive, the intraweb pen0s grows bigga, ffs

btw, isn't August 15, 2005 the date they set for sp2? >_<
#17 kiddingguy on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:32
the RTM is August 15, 2005 but when will it be available at retail... somewhere end 2005... just before the holidays I guess
(5 replies) #18 WS togermano on 24 Sep 2003 - 15:40
OMG YES!!! another bloatware windows for me i'm soo happy WOOT!!!!!!!!
#18.1 ike on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:19
and you would know that how?
#18.2 WS togermano on 24 Sep 2003 - 18:55
*edited*

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#18.3 gameguy on 24 Sep 2003 - 19:40
do you have any point to your posts?
#18.4 joe.flores on 25 Sep 2003 - 00:26
Im sure he does, most that refer to windows as bloatware are linux users that want to think its much better. In some cases, it is better. But like many things you would compare and contrast, both have their better uses in different categories.

Funny though, I see RedHat, Mandrake, and SuSE all becoming popular bloatware as they make it more 'user-friendly'. Hmmm wonder where they get that kind of idea from???
#18.5 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:14
Its inevitable that as software gets feature-rich that its size increases and it will be termed "bloat-ware" by the ignorant.
#19 Savagearth on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:02
Wait a minute......That's to soon
(5 replies) #20 gren99 on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:06
actually, i was pretty certain that MS was gonna punt longhorn out the door in august of 2005 for some time now. why?

10th anniversary of the launch of windows 95.

i wouldn't be surprised if they have a new version of office ready in time for that date as well.

#20.1 Tom Servo on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:10
Sounds nice, but technically it doesnt make sense. The NT core that Longhorn is based on has been released the first time with WinNT 3.1 around 1993.
#20.2 gren99 on 24 Sep 2003 - 23:20
so?

has nothing to do with what they have in mind with longhorn. expect stuff like '10 years ago we revolutionized the desktop eXPierience (heh) -- and we're about to tdo it again...'.

#20.3 Tom Servo on 25 Sep 2003 - 09:41
Win95 was about introducing a consumer 32bit OS, not about revolutionizing the desktop. I suggest you reinstall the very first Win95 and we talk again about desktop revolution. It's usability is a pure pain in the ass.
#20.4 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:16
They do indeed have another version of office planned for that timeframe, which will take advantage of features within the longhorn OS.
#20.5 Jugalator on 25 Sep 2003 - 22:08
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Win95 was about introducing a consumer 32bit OS, not about revolutionizing the desktop. I suggest you reinstall the very first Win95 and we talk again about desktop revolution. It's usability is a pure pain in the ass.


IMHO, Win 95 was both a desktop revolution and a 16/32 bit OS combo. I wouldn't exactly call a Win 9x OS purely 32-bit.

Win 95 revolutionized the Windows desktop by finally removing the File Manager of Windows 3.x and replacing it with the Explorer and a desktop that was ripped off from Mac OS and even Amigas, etc.

But it was for the better so I'm not complaining. I'm just happy that they finally got rid of the stupid metaphors in Windows 3.x where icons didn't represent the actual corresponding files, except in the File Manager of course.

Windows 95 might have been a pain in the ass, but it was an almost total redesign, which I wonder if even Longhorn will give us. In Windows 95, you could for the first time open folders and delete, copy, move, and rename files in the main GUI. They introduced the Windows Registry to store settings hierarchically instead of in INI files. They introduced insanely improved multimedia support. For the first time, we could play video without too much choppiness with the same hardware as Windows 3.1 due to new acceleration features which came to be known as DirectX. It was a highly fascinating OS when released. I remember playing around with settings in it for all night long when I got my hands on it.

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(1 reply) #21 DJ Prem on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:06
Good....i'm ready to wait longer as long as they can make it as secure as possible
#21.1 Savagearth on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:11
Are u dreaming, they just bought a antivirus compagny, they have to make money with it
#22 Jasco on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:47
Guess its gonna ship when half-life2 ships... *sob*
(2 replies) #23 slapnuts_ox on 24 Sep 2003 - 16:48
Fedora/Redhat Linux test 2 will be released tomorrow....I love the Linux development cycle....fast and free.
#23.1 ike on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:20
congratulations, you should be proud.
#23.2 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:17
fast and free... and still years behind microsoft's products
(2 replies) #24 Krankerz on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:03
So if Windows XP 64 is coming out before then, does that mean Longhorn will be a 64 bit OS that is backwards compatible?

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#24.1 ike on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:21
i'd think that they would try to make it equally compatible on both platforms.
#24.2 Zeni on 24 Sep 2003 - 21:47
I would assume so, since they expect all new CPUs to be 64 bit by then, plus it's going to support PCI-express, and that's a little ways off, whereas 64 bit is on its way out right now, you'd think they'd incorperate them in a somewhat linear fashion... but then again, it's M$, when have they ever made sense?
(2 replies) #25 Khujo on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:15
They must have known that was my birthday and wanted to announce my present early
#25.1 Krankerz on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:20
LOL...Windows XP came out on my birthday...
#25.2 outofcoffee on 24 Sep 2003 - 21:33
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They must have known that was my birthday and wanted to announce my present early

rofl
(1 reply) #26 Sim31 on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:24
According to, according to, can ya start out with something different? Like, There has been some CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE Sources to microsoft something like that. Always according to lol
#26.1 creamhackered on 24 Sep 2003 - 18:23
Yes sir

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(2 replies) #27 Yvo on 24 Sep 2003 - 17:34
august 15 1995 was win95's release... 10 year anniversary!!
#27.1 KTamas on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:38
LOL....really....That funny....Microsoft has humor....
#27.2 Angel Blue01 on 27 Sep 2003 - 12:32
QUOTE (#27.0)
august 15 1995 was win95's release... 10 year anniversary!!

Windows 95 shipped (in stores) (not RTM) August 24, 1995.

Right?
#28 Mav Phoenix on 24 Sep 2003 - 18:20
(1 reply) #29 ibookofrevelation on 24 Sep 2003 - 18:52
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cant wait to get my hands on all that DRM goodness


Exactly. I like new (and presumably more stable) Windows just as much as the next guy, but Palladium scares me to death. If it ends up as policeware or DRM lockdown crap, I won't be using it. Besides, I paid for Windows ME. I'll never forget that Bill...never.
#29.1 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:19
Maybe you should pay for your digital media then you wont run afoul of DRM
#30 dougkinzinger on 24 Sep 2003 - 19:15
Why is everyone so worried about Longhorn? It's not like you can do anything about it you know
(2 replies) #31 apa1exakis on 24 Sep 2003 - 20:43
I've heard longhorn will have a 32 bit and 64 bit version. I personally am looking foward to Palladium, I would have been affraid of it in the past but everything I buy now from music to software is all legal. I rather pay the price and not be a cheap a** about it. Hopefully Palladium will lock out them and stop alll this illegal music and software usage. We live in a capitalistic world, enjoy the fruits. Whether your on one side or the other.
#31.1 mezron on 25 Sep 2003 - 00:16
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I personally am looking foward to Palladium, I would have been affraid of it in the past but everything I buy now from music to software is all legal. I rather pay the price and not be a cheap a** about it. Hopefully Palladium will lock out them and stop alll this illegal music and software usage.


Be careful what you wish for. A friend of mine has been using Quickbooks pro 2000 since she BOUGHT it in 2000. She bought a new computer just a month ago and installed Quickbooks on it. She called Intuit to re-register the software (it disables itself after 15 uses until you register) and they told her "nope... it's too old you need to buy the new version". Fortunately I hadn't reformatted her old computer yet and was able to get the registration number off it. I'd expect you can look forward to more crap like this with Product Activation becoming more popular. Palladium worries me because of the potential for abuse from software vendors.
#31.2 kingius on 25 Sep 2003 - 11:20
She should have kept the orginal documentation with the serial number in it anwyay.
#32 stezo2k on 24 Sep 2003 - 21:30
DRM sucks, i'll be using XP for a long while hopefully some1 will hack it, if not i'll just use a longhorn beta
#33 Trust on 24 Sep 2003 - 21:31
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August 15, 2005
well... I hear something like that before, with others os/app and never m$ was precise with rtm's date... So... who can trust in m$ anyways, lol
#34 bluebsh on 24 Sep 2003 - 21:44
and just last week the headline was "longhorn posponed indefinatly"... how about we stop posteing dates and post stuff like specs...
#35 Dr.Jones on 25 Sep 2003 - 00:29
Will Mac OS X 10.9565 LilKitty be released by then ?
#36 joe.flores on 25 Sep 2003 - 00:32
I'm just waiting for the email that says 'Welcome to the Longhorn Beta Program!'
#37 hobsgrg on 25 Sep 2003 - 01:01
i can't believe they've already set an rtm date, but at least it will mean we finally have a concrete date to work with instead of endless speculation
#38 PureEdit on 25 Sep 2003 - 05:03
Who comes up with this crap?

I bet this is fake
(1 reply) #39 Stridder44@yahoo.com on 25 Sep 2003 - 05:04
Yeah really, Mac OS X will be on version 10.9.9 by that time. And no DMR junk or such either!

And by the way, are they Really gonna call it Longhorn??? Windows Longhorn!?? Is it just me or does that title not exactly roll off the tounge?
#39.1 haddiscoe on 25 Sep 2003 - 06:01
No. Longhorn is the codename (Windows XP was Whistler). The actual name will most certainly be different and will be announced much closer to RTM.
#40 Coolme on 25 Sep 2003 - 06:40
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still lacking of the most important factor, aero (the much hyped UI for Longhorn).


MOST IMPORTANT? I don't think so...
(1 reply) #41 wa22guy on 25 Sep 2003 - 08:31
its the real date.
#41.1 Krankerz on 25 Sep 2003 - 13:08
LIAR!
#42 Stridder44@yahoo.com on 26 Sep 2003 - 06:40
Windows XP isn't all that great anyway...

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