ATI introduces RADEON™ 9800 XT and RADEON™ 9600 XT.
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#1 Posted by lammmetak on 01 Oct 2003 - 19:36
- i have already seen some pics of it: a bit nvidia style: looks good
only this 1 has performence 2
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#2 Posted by crusher on 01 Oct 2003 - 19:36
- ATI sure is beatin Nvidia in every way possible
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#3 Posted by MikeStammer on 01 Oct 2003 - 19:37
- I have one coming! I have had a GF3 forever and was waiting for this. Check Tom's hardware for a good review. NVidia shant be getting my money with their current offerings!
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#4 Posted by Panorama on 01 Oct 2003 - 19:52
- Hehe, 9600XT still isn't a great improvement over my 9600 Pro. I'll wait for the 9900 (or higher model) when they come out.
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#4.1 Posted by jerry on 03 Oct 2003 - 01:17
- he he, 9600 pro owners are furious all over as there is a speculation that the 9600XT will beat the 9700 Pro in ALL the benchmarks, something that isnt even imaginable if you own a 9600 Pro. The 9500 Pro still is way better than the 9600 Pro. Good luck buddy.
IMO the best card out of the both will be the 9600XT. The 5% increase you are gonna get with the 9800XT is not worth the price difference, but the performance of the 9600XT will be great plus ATi will offer HL2. Best deal so far.
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#5 Posted by i like chips on 01 Oct 2003 - 20:06
- give us the price drops on the 9800 pros dammit!
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so in other news anyone got $700 to spare? lol
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#6 Posted by lucasvanos on 01 Oct 2003 - 20:07
- ATI rulez!
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#7 Posted by j.reed on 01 Oct 2003 - 20:19
- I hope the AIWs get a price drop ASAP!
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#8 Posted by Solarix on 01 Oct 2003 - 20:23
- im stuck with my radeon 9500 o well runs halo fine
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#9 Posted by Bryan000 on 01 Oct 2003 - 21:01
- Sorry nVidia, but I think I might be ditching you and picking up one of these new RADEONs. The 9600 XT looks sweet. the 9800 XT is VERY sweet, but do we *really* need 256mb of video ram, even in today's games? Maybe if you can afford to spend $500. Might be picking up a 9600 XT later this year
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#10 Posted by obake on 01 Oct 2003 - 21:22
- Yep, I'm definitely gonna get a 9600XT. Since I'm going off to college in a year, I don't need to spend a whole lot of money on a card that I'm only going to use for a little while, but I do want to be able to play the hell out of Halo (which kinda sucks on my GeForce4 MX), Half-Life 2, UT2004, and others. So, yeah, the sub-$200 price range is perfect for me, and with the DX9 support and all that, I'm definitely gonna get this.
Screw you, nVidia, I'm switching to ATI.
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#11 Posted by Coolme on 01 Oct 2003 - 21:48
- I won't buy another graphic card until it has support for PCI-EXPRESS...now THAT'S PREFORMANCE
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#11.2 Posted by Knight' on 02 Oct 2003 - 06:46
- umm you're wrong there sodapop, PCI-Express will offer incredable performance over the AGP8 cards. Have you seen the specifications? Seeing IS believing
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#11.3 Posted by mAcOdIn on 02 Oct 2003 - 10:16
- We'll see, some people have questioned it(graphcis card) being on a bus and not a direct link, and others worry that while it will get more bandwidth that it also has a higher latency which might be more important then bandwidth in some cases.
Wether it's truly better or not doesn't matter though since it's replacing agp no matter what.
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#12 Posted by lammmetak on 01 Oct 2003 - 21:53
- i first need a other cpu and mobo , i cant overclock this pc to well , amd 2400+ @ 2250 with samsung memory ....
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#12.1 Posted by ramesees on 01 Oct 2003 - 23:06
- Yeah I'm the same, I'm still on a P3 866, so my games playing is rather limited at the moment. Ah well, theres always enough time to upgrade when Longhorn comes along
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#13 Posted by Gary_Player on 01 Oct 2003 - 22:06
- ATI cocks shotgun, points it at nvidia's head *BLAM*
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#14 Posted by philmcneal on 01 Oct 2003 - 22:56
- XT has dynamic overclocking... so cool!
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#14.1 Posted by DynamicOverclocker on 01 Oct 2003 - 23:31
- heck yea! dynamic overclocking is gonna be great!
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#15 Posted by Astral on 02 Oct 2003 - 00:52
- Should also be noted that ATI plans on sending a fresh copy of Half Life 2 - when it ships - to customers who buy either the 9600 XT or the 9800 XT. Another incentive.
More info here.
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#16 Posted by M$ Agent #2 on 02 Oct 2003 - 01:29
- I wanna get a 9600 XT to replace my Radion 9K Pro should be a bit of improvment and Half Life 2 in the bargin its a deal ATI
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#17 Posted by Chewbacca the Wookie on 02 Oct 2003 - 02:27
- lmao. i bought a truck for the same price
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#17.1 Posted by ForeverUnknown on 02 Oct 2003 - 03:31
- ahaha
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#17.2 Posted by Ji@nBing on 02 Oct 2003 - 04:55
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yeah i can't see how anyone would spend that much on a graphics card that will be out of date in about a year. you ppl are insane. the 9600 XT however sounds like a good price. u have to ask urself, is the 9800 XT 2 and a half times better? in the benchmarks so far it is not (well, the 9600 and 9800 pro benchmarks, i can't see there being any difference here). the 9600 XT is reasonably priced. anyone willing to pay $500 us for a video card is jut WAAAY too into games and pc IMO -
#17.3 Posted by tntomek on 02 Oct 2003 - 05:27
- I agree but I don't think they are 'into' games as much as sick filthy rich who think life is about having the latest and greatest NO MATTER the price. I'll stop here
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#17.4 Posted by tankeriv on 02 Oct 2003 - 07:10
- Damn, sorry guys but when I read this discussion I regard you as noobs when I read this flaming all the way.
Well time for several facts. :
ATI Wins in a lot of benchmarks, why?
ATI Does not render some graphics, a good example is ATI Doesn't renders fog tables, wich is a dramatic perfromance drop when used.
Though the best maner to create fog around.
It does renders Fog layers instead a newer method to render fog, though it is a little less heavy as Fog tables. But eventhough it is newer this method delivers a much less beautifull way to create fog and the result is less either.
Anyway this is one way ATI wants to beat Nvidia just by leaving the fog table support out to win performance.
Further I work in the IT, and I build desktop pc's and servers, give advice and build websites.
And overall the rate of doa's is higher with ATI,
And the drivers of ATI are not as good as those of Nvidia.
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#17.5 Posted by iomayho on 02 Oct 2003 - 09:25
- i would say nvidia is the king in terns of not rendering scenes correctly....^^
i don't know where you got that fog thinggy you are talking about, but if you check on anandtech site, they mention that the scenes rendered with nv38 is much worse than that of ati..., -
#17.6 Posted by vacs on 02 Oct 2003 - 09:29
- Well, it takes some time for people to understand that ATI is really not better than nvidia.
In fact history is repeating itself here, it's the same story as with Intel and AMD 2-3 year ago. When AMD released the Athlon XP everyone jumped over to AMD because people are mostly only short-seeing and thought the Athlon was the next best thing since sliced bread. In reality AMD did not become that much better suddenly but it was Intel which was very weak at that moment (initial P4 release, Willamette core).
Same thing here with nvidia and ATI. Ati is not the next best thing but nvidia is just having some troubles lately which will be fixed by the end of the year (read nv40). But people do not notice this and blindly jumped over to ATI which is still fighting to get really mature drivers.
It will take some time but people will understand this in the end. Unfortunately with AMD, they succeeded in manipulating again most users by releasing the consumer chip Athlon FX which in fact is the same chip as the server edition at the same price. Very few people can afford buying it but people will now say: "Look AMD rulez, their Athlon FX (server chip) is faster than the P4 (consumer chip)."
Nicely done, AMD! Again, it will take some time until people understand that the real consumer Athlon 64 3200+ is slow as hell compared to a P4 of the same rating.
tankeriv, you can try as hard as you want, but don't try to reason with the general dumbness of most people. They won't understand. -
#17.7 Posted by carpediem on 02 Oct 2003 - 09:30
- Worst attempt of trolling i've seen in a while.
Funny that in one of the latest dx9 games that came out, nvidia didn't render the fog at all while ati did. (hint: the game was sponsored by nvidia with their "the way it's meant to be played" and still got outpreformed bigtime by ati)
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#17.8 Posted by aaron901 on 02 Oct 2003 - 09:58
- whoa the oracle has spoken.
and Ji@nBing, some people just want to get the best thing available. they are not insane. it's just that money is not an issue to them. -
#17.9 Posted by Sjokkel on 02 Oct 2003 - 10:31
- Why is everybody always talking about Ati drivers as a bad thing. One of the reasons i threw my Nvdia card out of the window (picked it back up later and gave it to a friend) were driver issues. oops ... we disabled TV-out in the driver set because it just didn't work... z-buffers all ****ed up? Try our really old driver. It should still be working in that one.
Ati has delivered a great product with the R300 and ever since drivers have certainly gotten on par with or even better then nvidia drivers.
It's not just my personal opinion, you can read it all over the web. Tomshardware anantech etc. And these are not guys that just put home PC together in some store like i did when i was 16 years old. This year Ati has given Nvidia a really rough year. But according to me this can only lead to a more healthy competition. All competitors are followed closely and if one tries to do something dirty to gain on the competition it will be all over the internet. Maybe next year Nvidia will take the crown again, maybe not.
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#17.10 Posted by DJ^TuRKiYe on 02 Oct 2003 - 15:00
QUOTE (#17.4) Damn, sorry guys but when I read this discussion I regard you as noobs when I read this flaming all the way.
Well time for several facts. :
ATI Wins in a lot of benchmarks, why?
ATI Does not render some graphics, a good example is ATI Doesn't renders fog tables, wich is a dramatic perfromance drop when used.
Though the best maner to create fog around.
It does renders Fog layers instead a newer method to render fog, though it is a little less heavy as Fog tables. But eventhough it is newer this method delivers a much less beautifull way to create fog and the result is less either.
Anyway this is one way ATI wants to beat Nvidia just by leaving the fog table support out to win performance.
Further I work in the IT, and I build desktop pc's and servers, give advice and build websites.
And overall the rate of doa's is higher with ATI,
And the drivers of ATI are not as good as those of Nvidia.
Aswell the Linux support of Nvidia is better.
How was nvidia boot camp?
When it comes to sucky drivers and not rendering things nvidia is king..
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#18 Posted by d23 on 02 Oct 2003 - 11:19
- Half-Life® 2, which will be bundled with the graphics cards. doesn't that sound wierd ? Have the benchmarks been accurate if the product is gonna be bundled ?
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#18.1 Posted by DJ^TuRKiYe on 02 Oct 2003 - 15:01
- Weird? Sounds pretty sweet to me.
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#19 Posted by hotrod on 02 Oct 2003 - 11:49
- http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/index.html?bid=10
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#20 Posted by tankeriv on 02 Oct 2003 - 12:16
- What the f, well ever tried an Athlon 64??
Definetly not, it is a hack lot faster as an equal rated P4. -
#20.1 Posted by Zombie9920 on 02 Oct 2003 - 15:32
- Yeah, right. It may be faster than an Athlon XP, thats about it.
Have a look at this thread. I've seen better performance out of a 2.4ghz P4 with a GeForce 4 Ti4400 than that.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=103644&st=0
Athlon 64 = Not worth the money
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#20.2 Posted by stezo2k on 02 Oct 2003 - 22:03
- its only due to using 32bit apps, for 64bit the athlon 64/fx will beat the hell out of any p4
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#20.3 Posted by Zombie9920 on 03 Oct 2003 - 03:23
- Who gives a sh1t about 64-bit? The upcoming Prescotts are going to have 64-bit(and Hyperthreading 2 and SSE3) support, the P5(Teja) will have 64-bit support. So what? How many of you people really need 64-bit support? It isn't like there is much 64-bit software out for the consumer to use.
Face it, most of the software that everybody already owns and will be buying for some time to come will be mainly 32-bit. With that said...isn't saying *Well it can do 64-bit!* like pissing in the wind? I mean seriously, who cares about 64-bit until it is actually something that will benefit most people.
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#21 Posted by figgy on 02 Oct 2003 - 14:56
- ATI beats the pants out of Nvidia in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004.
It is the only game in the benchmark list that I have.
The performance lead/difference in the rest of the games is very insignificant.
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#22 Posted by Daybreak on 02 Oct 2003 - 18:04
- I think my next card is going to be an ATI for sure.. Nvidia looks to have dropped the ball BIG TIME this round..
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#23 Posted by tHeDoSe on 02 Oct 2003 - 20:11
- so are all games moving to directx and away from openGL?? I know noob question...
oh yea, will it be available for mac 2??
The RADEON 9600 XT, the world’s first visual processor developed using a low k dielectric process, features four pixel pipes and 128MB of graphics memory and delivers unbeatable performance for under $200. Recent reviews have shown the RADEON 9600 XT to outperform cards twice its price in today’s shader-intensive DirectX 9 games. Gamers will enjoy the stunning visual quality that the RADEON 9600 XT delivers, which renders in full precision at all times. The card will also be available in stores and online in October from ATI and its board partners.