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Microsoft granted an IM patent

Tom Warren   on 08 October 2003 - 12:27 · 24 comments & 926 views

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Microsoft has won a patent for an instant messaging feature that notifies users when the person they are communicating with is typing a message.

The patent encompasses a feature that's not only on Microsoft's IM products but also on those of its rivals America Online and Yahoo. The patent was granted on Tuesday.

Patent No. 6,631,412 could serve as a weapon in Microsoft's battle for IM market share. Microsoft is investing heavily in IM as a springboard for selling communication software to businesses. Later this year, Microsoft plans to launch Live Communications Server, a software product that will initially offer IM for the enterprise and then expand into Internet voice calling and video services.

The software giant currently offers MSN Messenger as a free download off the Web, as well as Windows Messenger, the IM client for its XP operating system. Both services have amassed millions of users.

Having a patent can be a powerful tool, but only if it can be proven in a court that its owner has bulletproof claims to the invention, according to legal experts. Companies that challenge a patent have to prove the patent owner was not the first one on record for the invention.

News source: Cnet|news.com


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Oracle doesn't ignore piracy, however. It instead chooses to focus on educating customers on what they can and cannot do with the software. "I believe that most people are good people," Woods said.

Others agreed. "We operate under the philosophy that we … design all these anti-piracy moves with the honest customer in mind," said Drew McManus, director of anti-piracy operations at Adobe Software Inc.

Oracle's laid-back attitude toward software piracy is in sharp contrast to statements made by organizations like the Business Software Alliance, which has claimed that one in four pieces of commercial software used in the United States is illegal. And in a keynote speech on Monday, Macromedia Senior Vice president of Corporate Strategy Tom Hale said that approximately 17 percent of the company's activation efforts used invalid, and possibly forged, software codes.

"Reducing piracy rates can play a key role in economic development," said Robert Holleyman, presidet and chief executive of the BSA, in July. "According to a recent study conducted for the BSA, cutting the rate of software piracy in the United States to 15 percent by the end of 2006 could add $142 billion to the GDP, create more than 130,000 new high-tech jobs and generate an additional $23 billion in tax revenues.

Meanwhile, legislators such as Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., have tried to cut down on peer-to-peer file sharing as a means of combating illegal copying of copyrighted works, mainly music and movies—not software. "I think we need to be consistent," Woods said.

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(1 reply) #1 sorlag on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:34
I don't think microsoft is planing to use this patent as a weapon.
After the eolas patent impact they try to make own patents to avoid such things in the future.

Last edited by 3079 on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:09
#1.1 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:10
well let's just see in a couple of weeks
#2 tmaxxtigger on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:37
I don't see why they would go to the trouble of getting the patent unless they plan to use it somehow...
(1 reply) #3 OPaul on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:41
So does AOL have to remove the feature from its' AIM software now?
#3.1 JaggedFlame on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:43
Not necessarily, and I doubt it. Like #1 said, they have to cover their asses because of what happened, and besides, if they're still pushing for the interoperable IM network, suing the other guys isn't the way to do it.
#4 Sushubh on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:46
you never know but i like that feature in yahoo messenger.
(2 replies) #5 BGM on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:53
the feature in all im software is a pain, and i wish i could turn it off...

i dont want people to know when im typing, or if i type something and then decide to delete it and not send it, but hey thats just me being weird i guess
#5.1 Dale on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:01
hmm.. never thought of it that way...
#5.2 Vintious on 08 Oct 2003 - 15:12
If you use MSN Messenger try looking on mess.be for a mod that will get rid of that.
(3 replies) #6 isus on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:05
i don't really even care. i will never use msn messenger. ever.
the only feature important to me is the ability to send pictures.

oh, and to microsoft, who thinks this will help attract users...
get a life. do something better with your im. it's crap.
#6.1 darksoul on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:46
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i don't really even care.

if you don't care, don't post it takes time and energy and implies that you care
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oh, and to microsoft, who thinks this will help attract users...

no... they are covering themselves so eolas2 doesn't have round 2
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get a life.

see point 1
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do something better with your im. it's crap.

but earlier you said
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i will never use msn messenger. ever.

have you used the latest betas? the last quote implies no, well the product is very good.

So, if you don't care don't post and if you don't know what you're talking about don't post and if you will never use the product "ever" i will laugh when you eat your words like so many other have in the past.
#6.2 Daffy_Duck on 09 Oct 2003 - 00:12
Maybe you haven't used MSN Messenger lately but as someone who has tried them all trying to find the one with the best video and audio quality (for talking to friends/family long distance) nothing can beat it. Yahoo Messenger used to be the leader in this category but no longer. The audio quality is awesome. No annoying echos and it's very clear. Video is smooth.

Don't knock it before you try it.
#6.3 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:10
(2 replies) #7 Wrath Delivery on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:16
I still can't understand how people can get patents awarded for such trivial things. It's not a unique feature to IM, as the article in fact mentions, so how can they claim it as a non-trivial 'invention' worthy of a patent?

Does anyone know if an open instant messaging protocol is on the cards? If not, one should be!
#7.1 Tager on 08 Oct 2003 - 13:39
how about using IRC? you can use the "notify user" feature to tell you when a buddy is online. There are other clients that will also work if you need pretty icons.

In Trillian, you can add irc users into your contact list and when they're online, you can send them a message like other IMs (I think it either uses the /msg or dcc chat feature).
#7.2 hoodedone on 10 Oct 2003 - 06:41
Open IM protocol? Jabber has been around for a while... It's quite nice, but you have to convince your friends to use it.
(4 replies) #8 tscallions on 08 Oct 2003 - 14:27
I love windows messenger, but I only know three people that use it. Now I know at least 30-60 people that use AIM which is why I use Trillian. Now if AIM opened everything back up, like it use to be back around 1996 I could go back to using Windows Messenger.
#8.1 nowimnothing on 08 Oct 2003 - 15:08
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I love windows messenger, but I only know three people that use it.


I have the same problem. It has 2 or 3 very specific issues that i'd like fixed, (Away Messages (i know, Messenger Plus, but its not the same), the fact that it puts a newline after the user's name in the IM window, and a few others) but other than that, i definitely like it... but noone uses it. I've slowly been getting a few friends over to it, but since everyone else uses AIM, people don't listen to me very well
#8.2 Vintious on 08 Oct 2003 - 15:17
AIM has a few more features, yes, but MSN Messenger is coming up close behind.

What I don't understand is why anyone would use AIM with the terrible interface. Honestly, maybe there's a mod that improves it's look, but with it's current state, I can't stand to even look at it.

But that's just me
#8.3 nowimnothing on 08 Oct 2003 - 16:24
I don't mind the AIM interface too much.. i just wish i could more easily get rid of the 90000 extra icons/buttons on the IM windows and buddy list... I used DeadAIM for a while to get rid of some of them, but that only got me so far, and seemed to cause some problems in stability. And now with the latest beta, AOL added the Games button on everything... more buttons, argh.
#8.4 roadwarrior on 08 Oct 2003 - 17:18
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What I don't understand is why anyone would use AIM with the terrible interface. Honestly, maybe there's a mod that improves it's look, but with it's current state, I can't stand to even look at it.

Well, if you use iChat on Mac OS X (which is the default IM program, and talks to AIM), the interface is really nice, but the Official AIM client isn't much nicer to look at than the Windows version.
#9 Mgz on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:19
I feels really sick with the patent plague .....

INNOVATION ? DREAMING...
#10 Conundrummm on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:01
I think that Microsoft may have patented their own implementation of that technology. It seems that if you can do the same thing as someone else, but in a different way, you can pantent your own method. That's my understanding anyway.

By the way, is this the same feature that ICQ used to have a billion years ago where the other party could see exactly what you were typing, letter by letter, in realtime? That feature was annoying as heck. It's hard to complete a thought when you can''t take anything back. And for someone whose typing skills are at G-Dubya level, it's embarrassing.
#11 KayMan2K on 09 Oct 2003 - 20:42
AIM was developed well befoer MS technologies - so far as IMs. From a legal perspective, AOL could either try to invalidate the patent or not be subject to it since there is substatal proof AOL developed the technology on their own years ago and have demonstrated that publicly.

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