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Oracle Taking Laid-Back Approach to Piracy

configure   on 08 October 2003 - 02:01 · 30 comments & 2359 views

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Oracle Corp. has a message for those obsessed with software piracy: relax.

While most of the software industry has begun doggedly tracking down and stamping out instances of illegally copied software, Oracle's top licensing executive said that her company will tolerate scattered instances of piracy if it means keeping an enterprise customer up and running.

"We're not going to turn you off if you use more CPUs [than you've contracted for]," Woods said here during a panel discussion at SoftSummit, the industry's e-licensing forum. "That's not our philosophy. Customers want to pay us. We can't do anything about what people are going to do. We can't go out and sniff them out."

Woods' comments came as an apparent shock to others on the panel, among them e-licensing vendor Macrovision Corp., whose business is providing tools so that software publishers can maximize revenue by preventing cracks and other licensing exploits. After the panel, David Rowley, vice president of business development at Macrovision, approached Woods and arranged a meeting.

Rooting out the last instance of software piracy doesn't make sense in a corporate IT environment, Woods said. In an interview following the panel discussion, she said Oracle has not been able to determine how many of its customers have innocently or maliciously exceeded the terms of the company's licensing agreements; in other words, how much potential revenue Oracle has lost to piracy. However, she added, it makes little difference.

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"We run Citibank," Woods said. "It's not like we're going to come in and shut them down. You can either stop using the software or pay for it. It's not that big of a deal."

Oracle doesn't ignore piracy, however. It instead chooses to focus on educating customers on what they can and cannot do with the software. "I believe that most people are good people," Woods said.

Others agreed. "We operate under the philosophy that we … design all these anti-piracy moves with the honest customer in mind," said Drew McManus, director of anti-piracy operations at Adobe Software Inc.

Oracle's laid-back attitude toward software piracy is in sharp contrast to statements made by organizations like the Business Software Alliance, which has claimed that one in four pieces of commercial software used in the United States is illegal. And in a keynote speech on Monday, Macromedia Senior Vice president of Corporate Strategy Tom Hale said that approximately 17 percent of the company's activation efforts used invalid, and possibly forged, software codes.

"Reducing piracy rates can play a key role in economic development," said Robert Holleyman, presidet and chief executive of the BSA, in July. "According to a recent study conducted for the BSA, cutting the rate of software piracy in the United States to 15 percent by the end of 2006 could add $142 billion to the GDP, create more than 130,000 new high-tech jobs and generate an additional $23 billion in tax revenues.

Meanwhile, legislators such as Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., have tried to cut down on peer-to-peer file sharing as a means of combating illegal copying of copyrighted works, mainly music and movies—not software. "I think we need to be consistent," Woods said.

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(3 replies) #1 matric on 08 Oct 2003 - 02:07
Finally someone who has seen the light!
And for everyone who gets the wrong idea, I will clarify.
She doesn't support piracy, however what she is saying is that it doesn't make sense trying to enforce the license to the letter. So for example, if a company had licenses for their server to have 2 CPU's and they actually have 3, it isn't that big of a deal - they aren't going to hunt them down and sue them.
#1.1 memodude on 08 Oct 2003 - 02:10
I wholeheartedly agree.
#1.2 deadmonkey on 08 Oct 2003 - 11:53
Very good move. There is noting else I can say! Well done to Oracle for "thinking out of the box"
#1.3 nowimnothing on 08 Oct 2003 - 15:10
QUOTE
if a company had licenses for their server to have 2 CPU's and they actually have 3, it isn't that big of a deal - they aren't going to hunt them down and sue them.

I completely agree for that scenario. Its just not worth it, on any level.
But when it comes to piracy of tens of thousands of copies of a piece of software, or millions of copies of a song, that's a little bit more than just 3 processors on a 2 processor license for _one_ company.
#2 xp1ode on 08 Oct 2003 - 02:16
wow nice, thats a very good philosophy she got going on there, hopefully it doesnt bering her problems in the long run with the company. Good luck to her and Oracle hopefully everything goes smooth with those comments.
#3 vespaman on 08 Oct 2003 - 02:24
GO..GO..GO ORACLE!!
(3 replies) #4 astrokat on 08 Oct 2003 - 02:47
I still don''t understand microsofts policy on blocking illegal keys from windows update. There are many pirated copies of versions of windows xp out there, with users who can't use windows update .. and THEN become infected with worms that disrupt legit users. I am not saying they can't just install the patch and be fixed, but the average Joe Warez will not look for these individual patches. microsoft is killing legal customers with their policies.
#4.1 Arch on 08 Oct 2003 - 03:01
The only key they've blocked from windows update is the FCKGW... one, which was extrodinarily widely distributed. I doubt that many computers would have been stopped from getting a worm which would (somehow) disrupt legit users if Microsoft had simply allowed the updating of their PC's.
Also, it takes Microsoft's money to run the servers with the updates, and do you honestly think that they want to give it away to illegal users?
#4.2 macrosslover on 08 Oct 2003 - 08:08
i think what MS did was correct, within their rights and the type of stuff companies should do. first there was a way to get around that whole problem with windows update, then MS isn't trying to sue the person like the RIAA or break their computer or even prevent them from using windows. it's a simple solution if you want the windowsupdate, you should have bought windows xp legally. it's no big deal really because the people who would use the pirated copy anyway are smart enough to bypass the security feature of sp1 that caused the problem.
#4.3 astrokat on 08 Oct 2003 - 15:05
There is more then one key blocked. And I agree with MS's attitude of punishing people who pirate. But having hundreds if not thousands running unpatched copies of XP that CAN'T be patched through traditional means is a problem.
#5 slapnuts_ox on 08 Oct 2003 - 03:38
yay oracle.....i am glad to see that this company has better things to spend its money on like creating a great product.
#6 TheDeputy on 08 Oct 2003 - 05:06
Oracle is right, people will always find a way to pirate stuff, no matter how much money you put into Anti-Piracy there will always be piracy. Spend that money on your product instead of wasting it on Anti-Piracy campaigns.

People will pay for what they want, and Oracle will get their money from the customers they always have had and customers who will want Oracle as a solution provider
#7 jmole on 08 Oct 2003 - 05:31
Alright people it is time to buy Oracle products to show our support for them on their position! lol.
(1 reply) #8 DWZ on 08 Oct 2003 - 05:50
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Others agreed. "We operate under the philosophy that we … design all these anti-piracy moves with the honest customer in mind," said Drew McManus, director of anti-piracy operations at Adobe Software Inc.
Didn't Adobe put Product Activation in their software? Or was that Macromedia...
#8.1 MxxCon on 08 Oct 2003 - 06:34
yup, that's adobe.
they are the ones that forwarded to FBI IPs of people who activated photoshop with warezed ser#

on one hand oracle's aproach is excelent. those who want to warez, will warez no matter what kind of protection one might implement.

on the other hand, some of oracle larger licenses cost ~$1.5mill....so they can handle piracy..
#9 nookadum on 08 Oct 2003 - 06:32
Besides, what idiot pirates Oracle's database software for use in their own database servers? It's not like businesses PIRATE software. (Unless it's crappy.)
#10 teka on 08 Oct 2003 - 07:13
It's the only way they have to keep people using their software.
Because if they start to turn off pple who uses their soft illegaly, they'll lost the only ones that uses that crap!

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#11 warr on 08 Oct 2003 - 07:50
oracle provide enterprise software, not home user software.
so piracy is not really a big concern to oracle, even there is.

however, i do agree with her logic.
piracy is here to stay, even some companies trying hard to fight.
(2 replies) #12 kingius on 08 Oct 2003 - 09:54
Oracle are turning into a stupid company. They have just said to their customers "Dont buy another license, just copy the disk, we dont care"
#12.1 deadmonkey on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:14
No they are not saying that at all.

They are saying "dont worry if you have to bend the rules every now and then, we know how much red tape is involved in getting a new license, especially when it is as expensive as ours"

Have you ever tried to justify spending a few thousand (or hundred thousand) on 1 more license for software which you need NOW? If you have not let me tell you it is HELL. Firstly you need to convince your manager who needs to convince their manager, etc and then you need to actually buy it and wait for the license (and sometimes media) to arrive. When you need it NOW these steps are annoying and time consuming. Oracle are just saying dont worry about it, use it while you are sorting the license, it doesnt matter you are a good customer. In my opinion it is a very good move by them and it is excellent for customer relations! Imagine how many companies will go with them now because they will feel "safer" if they have to "bend" the license for a few weeks while paperwork gets sorted!
#12.2 kingius on 08 Oct 2003 - 14:36
Ok cool, lets all bend the rules with Oracle, its a great database, we could implement Grid computing easily if we only pay for one copy and install it on 20 machines
(6 replies) #13 Jason on 08 Oct 2003 - 10:29
Ok lets all steal Oracle's products so they get no money and see what they say next.
#13.1 kingius on 08 Oct 2003 - 11:10
ROFL
#13.2 mrbester on 08 Oct 2003 - 11:15
And exactly what are you going to use their products on? Got a spare 4CPU Xeon with 1GB RAM lying around doing nothing (if you have, I'll gladly take it off your hands)? If you don't have the hardware to run their products, Oracle probably couldn't care less if you have a copy.
#13.3 deadmonkey on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:01
I agree with mrbester Oracle dont care if you have a copy of there software as you are not going to pay anyway so it is technically no loss to them. Infact, if they are intelligent, they could use it to there advantage. For example if you use a copy of Oracle Database illegally you will learn how it works and so the chances of you using it in the future over another database system are higher as you will have knowledge in it. This could mean that companies you might work for inthe future will have to buy a copy. That is the way I see it, might not make sense to you but does to me
#13.4 Jason on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:15
I mean everyone pirate their software so they earn zero. I think their opinions will change then.

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#13.5 Jon on 08 Oct 2003 - 12:52
Most large corporations have large license managment systems, and FAST accreditations to maintaine, they simply can't pirate the software.

Oracle doesn't care about warez kiddies because they :

a) wouldn't buy the software in the first place
b) wouldn't understand the software if they did pirate it
c) there simply is no market for home users, so any who do use it are only using it to gain the required skills for a corporate implementation.
#13.6 kingius on 08 Oct 2003 - 14:37
Exactly, so why mention warez kiddies. We were talking about IT managers installing the database on multiple servers because now theyve been given official permisson to do it!
#14 Zatko55 on 08 Oct 2003 - 23:25
Most people have some form of morals. Also, abuse of the policy would be obvious. Where I work, they take licensing pretty serious even though we don't ever have audits. Fact is, the disgruntled employee who knows your companies ill-licensing scheme is more dangerous than any big brother tactics by the vendor.
#15 riff on 09 Oct 2003 - 07:27
Can bsa or something like that do smting when i use illegal oracle software??

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