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Gates helps cops fight kiddy porn

Michael Stanclift   on 09 October 2003 - 04:00 · 82 comments & 3066 views

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Microsoft and the Toronto police are now developing software that will make it easier for police to investigate the dissemination of child pornography on the Internet. They hope to complete an initial version of the software in a month. The software is designed to store copies of all the images police find, creating a searchable database that can help them uncover similarities between cases. It can also analyze pictures and classify those that are child pornography, largely automating a job that consumes a huge amount of police labor.

A "really rotten day" at work in late January prompted a just-about-had-it Toronto police officer to e-mail a spontaneous plea to the world's richest man for help fighting child pornography. "To be real honest, I didn't expect anything back. I didn't even save the e-mail," said Det. Sgt. Paul Gillespie, a 25-year veteran of the Toronto force.

Microsoft Canada has already invested $600,000 Canadian ($450,000 U.S.) in the software project, which got under way in February, and does not know what the final cost will be.

The explosion in technology and the Internet have made the task of handling the exponential increase in child pornography almost impossible, police say.

"Three or four years ago ... the majority [of victims] would be 10, 12, 14 [years old] -- not to say that's better child porn, it all just memorializes criminal acts of the most heinous nature -- but in the last couple of years, we've just seen such young children on regular seizures -- babies, 2-, 3-, 4-year-olds."

News source: CNN


He likened Microsoft's Securing the Perimeter plan to installing a fence around a compound, or a gated community for homeowners. Stepped-up security measures can't eliminate break-ins, but they can reduce or thwart attempts by robbers--or, in the case of software, hackers--he explained.

"You need to have multiple levels of security in a corporation, multiple levels of defense. It's like a gated community. You need additional levels of security, doors locked and alarms turned on, and additional defenses, countermeasures such as putting up a fence, to be protected," said Muglia. "It doesn't always work, but it's additional protection," said Muglia.

Sources speculate that Microsoft is working with top firewall vendors and antivirus ISVs to allow them to hook into the Microsoft Update and Software Update Services -- and tap into .Net -- to coordinate an industrywide response to an attack across the internet.

Muglia would not comment on speculation about a possible .Net-based shield, and denied speculation that the company is poised to acquire a major firewall vendor.

In July, Microsoft moved into beta testing its more enterprise-oriented Internet Security & Acceleration (ISA) Server 2004 upgrade, code-named Stingray, a Windows server firewall solution. "Not to my knowledge," Muglia said when asked about a possible buy in the firewall space.

However, even as the company will evolve its ISA platform, Microsoft will need partnerships with ISVs and solution providers for Securing the Perimeter for heterogeneous networks. "We think every customer needs a firewall. But we're not going to do a Linux firewall."

Microsoft's forthcoming management stack is expected to help matters. He said the availability of SMS 2003 in November will help enterprises deploy security patches in a more efficient way while the Windows Update service for consumers and SUS upgrade will help both midsize companies and enterprises automate their infrastructure security.

"A year from now you'll see additional countermeasures in place, as well as better firewalls," said Muglia. " We'll have SMS 2003 out there so there's a better tool for deploying software and the next release of SUS for the Windows server for companies that don't require SMS. "

In addition, Microsoft plans to ship management packs for its forthcoming Microsoft Operations Manager (MOM) 2004 next summer. "The next generation of management packs for MOM 2004 will have a broad understanding of security events, as will the next management pack for the Windows server," Muglia said.

Observers said Securing the Perimeter is a step in the right direction -- if executed well.

"Microsoft appears to be working to improve patching on several fronts and will be working to create new and improved perimeter defenses," said Michael Cherry, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, a newsletter. "Both are reasonable and good moves, if they can accomplish them in a timely manner, and provide perimeter defenses that people can reasonably install and configure."

Securing the Perimeter is just one of a number of security initiatives under way at Microsoft and across various divisions in the company.

Sources in the analyst community say they expect Microsoft will announce significant improvements to the Internet Connection Firewall in Windows XP and add behavior-blocking capability from the technology it acquired from Pelican early in 2003.

One systems integrator who asked not to be named said Microsoft is busy reducing the attack surface aspect of Windows, IE and DirectX components, and is "hardening" the defensive aspects of .Net technologies. But the Windows configuration plans and enhanced SUS are key parts of the countermeasures Microsoft plans, he said.

This week at Momentum, the company's annual partner confab in New Orleans, Microsoft is expected to rally partners to its security cause. The company is poised to detail an updated security solution accelerator for its forthcoming Systems Management Server 2003 and a new security solution accelerator for SUS, Muglia said.

"These are handbooks for the VAR channel," said Muglia, noting that the deployment guides help channel partners lock up customer infrastructures. "The channel is very important because it supports so many small and midsize businesses, and enterprises are doing more and more outsourcing."

Later this month, at its Professional Developer's Conference, Microsoft is expected to announce the availability of the first software development kit for Microsoft's Next Generation Secure Computing Base, formerly code-named Palladium.

The software, to be embedded in the Longhorn version of Windows due in 2005-06, will exploit security advances in Intel's next generation 32-bit and 64-bit processors.

Security executives confirmed for CRN recently that Microsoft is working on a series of enterprise-oriented security products/services but would not discuss details.

Possible products in the lineup include intrusion-detection, firewall and antivirus products, according to information available on Microsoft's website.

Sources predict Microsoft will debut intrusion-detection technology and possibly antivirus technology into Windows following its acquisition of Romanian antivirus vendor GeCAD, which closed 3 September.

However, no decision is final, said Amy Carrolle, director of product management for Microsoft's Security Business Unit. She did note, however, that a subscription-based service is likely.

"The deal just closed. We're in the alpha testing phase, and it's too early to speculate, " she said. "Our plan is not make antivirus free but in a model similar to a subscription model."

Observers said it remains unclear how well Microsoft can execute on its ambitious plans, but its security woes are as big a threat to its business as was the antitrust case.

Numerous viruses and worms this summer have exploited flaws in Windows and have infected hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide.

The problems cost businesses millions of dollars in lost productivity and service fees. One report recently issued by five security analysts claimed the government's sole reliance on Windows on the desktop constitutes a threat to national security.

Both Muglia and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer admit it's a bigger worry than Linux.

"Microsoft has thrown a lot of resources at trying to be more secure," said John Pescatore, a vice president at Gartner. "We've seen progress on Windows Server 2003, but they haven't had a new desktop software product since they got security religion, and security problems on their desktop software is a bigger threat to Microsoft's dominance on the desktop than the antitrust [case] ever was. The lawsuit didn't cause enterprises to try out Mac and Linux desktops -- security problems in Windows have, though."

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#1 apa1exakis on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:02
Good job Gates.
#2 [saint dark] on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:04
I applaud mr Gates and microsoft, good job.

Btw, if you hate Gates or MS for whatever reasons dont post hate comments here
#3 insurektion on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:08
Get those sick ****ers
#4 Jstphish on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:10
Awesome Mr. Gates. I also applaud you.
#5 Sleepy Jesus on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:11
Good job. Hang those freaks from a tree.
#6 bangbang023 on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:12
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we've just seen such young children on regular seizures -- babies, 2-, 3-, 4-year-olds."

people are just sick
#7 IRONCHEFARU on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:15
just shows u how fcuked up our society is....
gj bill =)
#8 Marshalus on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:18
I had to make sure and find a way to put in that last line, even if it involved cutting out the more "Tech" part of the news. I just found the fact that these people are doing **** with BABIES really really twisted and sick, and thought I should share it with you guys to perhaps make you want to do something to stop it. I dunno.
#9 memodude on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:33
Good job! Get rid of those sick-ass people!
#10 Gary_Player on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:38
I read something a week ago about how they busted the worlds largest kiddy porn ring...like 1000 guys, mostly in germany were all arrested and terrabytes of porn siezed...
#11 DOGglee on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:40
this is a good move
(1 reply) #12 BuggyProgrammer on 09 Oct 2003 - 04:56
i see naked babies on TV commercials all the time
#12.1 [saint dark] on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:34
but not in any sexual posture
(2 replies) #13 harryleung on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:02
good job mr. bill gates

and to those stupid porn lovers...F* U

(sorry for the bad language)
#13.1 warwagon on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:05
Kiddy Porn is bad... .but not all porn
#13.2 deadmonkey on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:02
as long as the person is old enough to make up there own mind if they want to do it or not i have no problem with porn
#14 CrimandEvil on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:07
I don't say it much but good job mr. Gates, I hope others in the tech biz help out too stop horrible things like this.
(1 reply) #15 MaceX on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:12
This won't stop the trading of kiddie porn, but it could help a lot.
#15.1 Coolme on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:49
You know what, you are right because if this software gets leaked.... ppl can use this software to search for kiddie porn, which will only increase the trading activity.
(10 replies) #16 Joshie on 09 Oct 2003 - 05:57
*begins tallying how many different people use the word 'sick' and think they're making some sort of point*
#16.1 mr_da3m0n on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:08
I don't get where you're getting at, would you mind extending on that...? It sounds interesting...
#16.2 Joshie on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:55
Nothing. Just that everytime any news article is ever posted remotely related to kiddy porn, a storm of "d00d omg k1ll th3m there sick!" posts rush in. I think they're the most useless posts in the history of the universe. Yes, even more useless than a "me too".

I'm not even going to get into the fact that they're using the word 'sick', something that suggests healability, but rather than 'help' kiddy pornographers, they just want to kill them all. It sounds a lot like the hicks who would rather kill everyone with AIDS than heal them because, in their minds, all people with AIDS are just a bunch of homos in the first place.

What I will say, however, is that sexual attraction to kids is a fascinating psychological and sociological phenomenon, and I think it deserves a helluva lot more thought time than a casual "f**kin sick" comment.
#16.3 Avicus on 09 Oct 2003 - 15:41
you're sick!
#16.4 K3EnU on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:26
omg!! u're sick !!
#16.5 JaggedFlame on 09 Oct 2003 - 20:54
Yeah, except the difference between people who have AIDS and kiddy pornographers is that people who have AIDS aren't breaking the law.

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What I will say, however, is that sexual attraction to kids is a fascinating psychological and sociological phenomenon, and I think it deserves a helluva lot more thought time than a casual "f**kin sick" comment.


It's not fascinating; it's something that by today's social standards is completely unacceptable. Go study it on your own if you want, but don't expect anyone to share your views.
#16.6 rscp1 on 09 Oct 2003 - 22:37
I agree to everything you say, Joshie. I think another fascinating psychological and sociological phenomenon is the people who are too oblivious to see that sexual attraction to kids is caused by the same parts of the brain as sexual attraction to people of the opposite sex with most people. I'm not saying that is normal, but the people who it applies to are born that way and can't do anything about it. And what's wrong with that, as long as kids don't become a victim of it, directly or indirectly?
#16.7 Joshie on 10 Oct 2003 - 01:14
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Yeah, except the difference between people who have AIDS and kiddy pornographers is that people who have AIDS aren't breaking the law

What does the law have to do with it? Laws have nothing to do with it, in my opinion. Do you people really care that much about legislation that someone breaking a rule would set crowds into a state of madness to where they might as well be a lynch mob? No. It has to do with the morality of it directly. Laws are just things on paper that society changes all the time.

And when it comes to the morality of it directly, there are people who believe AIDS is punishment for being gay, so let the HIV-infected buggers die. See what I'm getting at?

And I still say it's fascinating. I apologize if I'm not the kind of person who spartles around with knee-jerk reactions, but I'm a nutcase for understanding the ways different people think. 'Deviants' are like a good novel.
#16.8 JaggedFlame on 10 Oct 2003 - 04:06
Well, this is what you said:

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I'm not even going to get into the fact that they're using the word 'sick', something that suggests healability, but rather than 'help' kiddy pornographers, they just want to kill them all. It sounds a lot like the hicks who would rather kill everyone with AIDS than heal them because, in their minds, all people with AIDS are just a bunch of homos in the first place.


I just don't think your example makes sense. If you're sexually attracted to kids, you don't have to go around hunting children down and selling videos of them on the Internet. If you were trying to "help" people like that, you wouldn't necessarily start with child pornographers.

In other words, it's one thing to be in this psychological mindset, but it's another thing altogether to willfully break the law and perform the activities listed above. I somehow doubt that these people have an unbreakable urge to sell child porn on the Internet the way some people are driven to violence.

On the other hand, the hicks you mentioned think that everyone with AIDS is a homo. With that kinda mindset, you either have AIDS or you don't. You're either a homo or you're not. There's no gray area. And so, if it were theoretically illegal to have AIDS, there would be only one applicable group, one that was completely homogenous in the criterion of "being illegal."

See what I'm getting at? If being sexually attracted to kids is a psychological phenomenon, great. Go study it. But child pornography is a combination of that and just simply being a criminal. There is something inherently wrong in that, the way our society works.

This took me a while to write, because I had to think about it for a while myself. So hopefully you understand what I'm saying.
#16.9 Joshie on 10 Oct 2003 - 04:46
I just don't like how you keep using the word criminal. Inherently wrong? Do you believe mp3 sharing is inherently wrong because it's considered criminal? o.o
#16.10 JaggedFlame on 10 Oct 2003 - 13:45
MP3 sharing in itself is not considered criminal. Where do you get that idea?

MP3 sharing of copyrighted files is wrong, according to our society. We have chosen to disallow that activity, because it's violating other people's work. Some people choose to do it anyway, but that's their morals at work, not ethics.
(1 reply) #17 ripgut on 09 Oct 2003 - 06:40
MS haterz HAVE to respect microsoft for this action, if not ur just a stupid noob
hang those ****erz by there left ball
#17.1 deadmonkey on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:01
why the left
(12 replies) #18 theh0g on 09 Oct 2003 - 07:33
Although this is a really nice move by Microsoft since child pornography is sick (pedophiles are disgusting and should get their d*cks cut off in the cruelest way), this is nothing more than a commercial move. They should use that money to train inspector and police better.
We all know it's impossible to stop the internet child/other pornography. They can't shut down all forums, usenet, irc, ... This move probably has something to do with that chatrooms closure 2 weeks ago, which is really BS, since there are 1000 times more people using IRC and other chats instead of MSN chat so they actually didn't save anything, they'll probably just start charging for the chat.
Besides, do you REALLY believe Microsoft is capable of making a working face/picture-recognition software, especially for little kids, where their face characteristics are very similar?! This project is doomed to failure. Sorry about the scepticism, but I don't trust Microsoft anymore about anything.

This is just a publicity stunt, nothing more nothing less. Too bad it's all on poor kids' account.

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#18.1 imtoomuch on 09 Oct 2003 - 08:02
While this can't hurt Microsoft's image, and it may even help it a little, I wouldn't call this a publicity stunt. Remember, Microsoft was contacted and they agreed to help, not the other way around. Besides, I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to incorporate this new program or at least code from it in a different product.
#18.2 CoolShady2002 on 09 Oct 2003 - 08:16
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do you REALLY believe Microsoft is capable of making a working face/picture-recognition software?

Even the leaked versions of the next version of Windows 'Longhorn' have the beginnings of face recognition technology built in. The ability to recognize the difference between a child or an adult's face is just an extension of that and of course it would also have to determine wether or not the content was pornographic, but software is capable of determining that aswell.
#18.3 theh0g on 09 Oct 2003 - 08:59
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Even the leaked versions of the next version of Windows 'Longhorn' have the beginnings of face recognition technology built in. The ability to recognize the difference between a child or an adult's face is just an extension of that and of course it would also have to determine wether or not the content was pornographic, but software is capable of determining that aswell.


That's right, "begginings". Microsoft made many "innovative tools" which are crap. Just look at moviemaker, comic chat, liquid-something (some crap which shouldbe better than flash...rrrright), netmeeting, ... Face-recognition is useless in Windows anyway....what happens if I cange my hairstyle, will it lock up the PC? Microsoft should focus on its main products, not trying to make every hardware and software wear the "Microsoft" sticker. Don't you think some researchers from some university are more likely to make a software like that before greedy Microsoft?! Do you know how much research is put into this? This is not something you can just buy.

There's been MANY projects about face-comparison, created by very professional companies with experts and all, nothing came out yet. Remember early years of Internet (1993, 1994), there were many censuring programs to determine whether the picture online is a porn or not. It never worked. And if you expect that from Microsoft to make, who can't even make a normal stable and secure desktop OS, fine. Sorry, but if they can't make a working software that brings them billions of dollars, why would they make a breakthrough in some specific software, that doesn't bring them anything?

And if you think this is so easy: how do you know if someone is adult or a child? By the size of the person on the picture? Impossible. By face? How do you know if it's a child or a really young looking 30yo asian (no racysm here, but I've met people who I thought were like 16 or 18, but turned out to be 25, 30)? We've all seen porn (any kind) pictures online...how many of those pictures were taken directly from the front like for a ID? None. So how will you recognise someone from his back or any other pose? Here's an idea: if the subject has a hairy back, then it's an adult...this migth work.

I may be very wrong here, but we've all heard of Microsoft's "innovations" and crap. What DID they invent? Let's take a look:

DOS - they bought it for 50.000$ and sold to IBM.
Windows - they stole the GUI idea from Apple
www/sql/anything server - they didn't invent, they just made their own version
.NET - Sun's Java was doing the same job before MS ever came out with it
Messanger - let's not forget about ICQ
.....

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#18.4 Sleepy Jesus on 09 Oct 2003 - 09:13
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they stole the GUI idea from Apple


Who stole it from Xerox!
#18.5 chris_kabuki on 09 Oct 2003 - 10:46
#18.5 Hey Jesus... learn some history rather than spending time spewing the same FUD you've been told:

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html
#18.6 JaggedFlame on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:55
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Windows - they stole the GUI idea from Apple


Uh, GUIs existed way, way before Apple or Microsoft ever came up with them.

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www/sql/anything server - they didn't invent, they just made their own version


You're telling me a company has to invent things from scratch to be considered anything other than thieves?

The fact of the matter is that you get a lot farther using existing technology and improving it. Not by reinventing the wheel. OF COURSE they made their own version. What do you want them to do, trash everything and make their own proprietary version that everyone has to convert to and sacrifice skills and compatibility?

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.NET - Sun's Java was doing the same job before MS ever came out with it


See above. Not to mention that .NET does a totally better job in a lot of cases. Why do you think a bunch of people switched to it, if it does the same exact thing, huh?

And give me one example of a GUI that's as good as Visual Studio .NET. You've probably never even used it.

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Messanger - let's not forget about ICQ


You have to be freakin' kidding me. If you think having an IM client is stealing just because other people have IM clients too, you're just retarded.

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I may be very wrong here, but we've all heard of Microsoft's "innovations" and crap. What DID they invent?


There's your problem. You're just another one of the imbeciles who thinks that "innovate" and "invent" are the same damn word.
#18.7 Joshie on 09 Oct 2003 - 14:59
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(pedophiles are disgusting and should get their d*cks cut off in the cruelest way)

Well that's sexist of you. What about all the women who dig kids? What will you cut off of them?
#18.8 theh0g on 09 Oct 2003 - 15:18
JaggedFlame: first watch your mouth. 2nd: you're too pathetic to reply to specific things you wrote. You clearly can't read and/or understand the point of a reply, you just hang to some detail, pathetic. Besides even if Microsoft tomorrow releases a Windows OS that'll erase your harddrive intentionaly and calls your mom a b*tch on your screen, you'll praise them and say how great they are. You need to learn much more about computers and start thinking with your own head. Get a life, nerd.
#18.9 Jason on 09 Oct 2003 - 15:44
Jaggedflame states why all your points are rubbish and you theh0g just reply with crap, good one
#18.10 Zatko55 on 09 Oct 2003 - 16:07
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Not to mention that .NET does a totally better job in a lot of cases. Why do you think a bunch of people switched to it, if it does the same exact thing, huh?

And give me one example of a GUI that's as good as Visual Studio .NET. You've probably never even used it.


You still havn't coughed up what .net does that makes it do a "better job". There is alot of argument in the other direction. Did you know 1/3 of vb programmers are moving to Java and 1/3 are moving to .NET? Makes you think..Hmmm..

.NET wasn't designed to do what Java does? Come out of the hole... They are direct competitors.

Visual Studio is an IDE... Yes it is slick. But there are also good Java IDEs, and even free ones. Eclipse/netbeans/jbuilder/websphere studio/oracle/sun one/....
#18.11 darksoul on 09 Oct 2003 - 18:16
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I may be very wrong here, but we've all heard of Microsoft's "innovations" and crap. What DID they invent? Let's take a look:

please look past the anti MS propaganda. MS has innovated in many different fields and the ideas they "stole" as you put it were commercialized by MS which is as important as the original innovation. You complain about MS being in to many different areas, but do you realize that they are one of the largest companies in the world? Look at GE they are into everything from jet engines to insurance but people don't tell them to stick to one thing.
#18.12 JaggedFlame on 09 Oct 2003 - 21:01
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JaggedFlame: first watch your mouth. 2nd: you're too pathetic to reply to specific things you wrote. You clearly can't read and/or understand the point of a reply, you just hang to some detail, pathetic. Besides even if Microsoft tomorrow releases a Windows OS that'll erase your harddrive intentionaly and calls your mom a b*tch on your screen, you'll praise them and say how great they are. You need to learn much more about computers and start thinking with your own head. Get a life, nerd.


First of all, I'm not watching my mouth. If you're too wimpy to handle stronger-than-average language, you don't have to read it. No one has a gun to your head.

Second of all, you were the one who started bringing up examples in detail, so you're just retarded for bashing me for replying to you. I shot down every one of your examples, so either you tell me why I'm wrong or sit down. No one likes a whiner, and that's what you are right now.

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You still havn't coughed up what .net does that makes it do a "better job". There is alot of argument in the other direction. Did you know 1/3 of vb programmers are moving to Java and 1/3 are moving to .NET? Makes you think..Hmmm..


Do I care? I don't care if people are also moving to Java. The point is that people obviously think that either is good enough to switch to, so either is not a direct copy off of the other one. Many of my friends say they've saved days and days of time coding their solutions in .NET instead of Java. That wouldn't happen if .NET was simply imitating Java; obviously, it must be doing something better than Java in that specific instance. (Yes, I know it works the other way around also, but like I've said a million times, that's not the point.)

Your mistake, as usual, is assuming that I'm ripping on Java. No. I'm telling you that .NET is not just a copy off of Java because some people find that it is more viable for their corporation. Did I say anywhere that Java sucks?

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.NET wasn't designed to do what Java does? Come out of the hole... They are direct competitors.


So that automatically means that .NET is a copy of Java? Give me a break. There are multiple ways to do the same thing. It doesn't mean that you stole someone's idea when you come up with a different way to do something.

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Visual Studio is an IDE... Yes it is slick. But there are also good Java IDEs, and even free ones. Eclipse/netbeans/jbuilder/websphere studio/oracle/sun one/....


Yes, I am aware that other good IDEs exist, but my question is how many of those IDEs are exactly the same as VS .NET and would lead you to theh0g's conclusion that VS .NET is a direct copy off of one of those IDEs?

Like I said, I have nothing against competing technologies, but blindly running around claiming that Microsoft copied off of everyone is something else.
(1 reply) #19 Sleepy Jesus on 09 Oct 2003 - 08:01
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This is just a publicity stunt, nothing more nothing less. Too bad it's all on poor kids' account


Well, this comment was bound to happen eventually by someone. Too bad really as it is so uncalled for.
#19.1 petrossa on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:42
Anything done against any kind of exploitation of any living creatures is something gained whichever the motives of the 'doers'. However dont forget that any experience gaioned in this field will be sooner or later used for other less social purposes. One needs only to look at the recent misappropration of the Patriot Act to catch other criminals except terrorists to be very worried. Not that catching other criminals is bad, but in the end the definition of who's a criminal gets very grey. One only needs to look at the 'shift key' fallacy of the latest DRM technology to realise that all shift key pushers while playing cd's are inherently criminals under the law. Couple this with efficient software to track 'criminals' and soon its possible to bill all 'shift key' pushers automatically for copyright infringement. Not that is really see THIS happening but you get my general idea
(1 reply) #20 prick on 09 Oct 2003 - 09:09
I thinks its just funny having the subject kiddy porn and seeing bill gates face.
#20.1 theh0g on 09 Oct 2003 - 09:10
LOL, good one
(2 replies) #21 jagedEdge on 09 Oct 2003 - 10:06
He's just shooing the police away from his own kiddy porno studio.
#21.1 Beast_4thHM on 09 Oct 2003 - 10:46
... get a brain

The Internet made the life of many kids a living hell , it is easier than ever to distribute and to share child porn
than p2p came into our life and things are getting worse , a simple search on kazaa will reveal thousands of results with hundreds of sources in a matter of minutes most of those sharers are not active abusers , they never touched a kid not to mention take picture but the ones that do.... are the worst kind of scum living on this planet
they should be hunted , turtured , mutilated and than burn on the stake

For The Sake of All Children , I'll hold my fingers for you Mr. Gates
#21.2 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:08
hahahaha
(1 reply) #22 JasonC1986 on 09 Oct 2003 - 10:41
Good job Bill, someone needed to start on that problem and noone better than someone with a bit of money to help
#22.1 kingius on 09 Oct 2003 - 10:56
Go Bill!
(7 replies) #23 kemical on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:03
damn canadians :X
#23.1 mr_da3m0n on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:13
... what was that for...?

And why the sick face?
#23.2 kemical on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:45
just a joke
#23.3 mr_da3m0n on 09 Oct 2003 - 12:00
Yeah, well so I figured, but I don't get it o.o
#23.4 Knight' on 09 Oct 2003 - 16:26
Damn stupid Kemical :X ..... joke :/ See how UN COOL your joke was now?
#23.5 kemical on 09 Oct 2003 - 17:55
i guess. but you're still lame have a nice day
#23.6 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:07
#23.7 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:08
because he's the boss?
(1 reply) #24 Gism0 on 09 Oct 2003 - 11:27
woah what's the orange links about? i'm confused!
#24.1 deadmonkey on 09 Oct 2003 - 13:59
hehe yeah i was thinking the same the other day. apparently they are "good"
#25 Sushubh on 09 Oct 2003 - 12:17
What ever you say about Microsoft or Bill Gates, the guy is one of the biggest donor of funds for public interest by the name of Gates Melinda Foundation something. He donates amounts in billions! That counts for something...
(4 replies) #26 PetrucciSatriani on 09 Oct 2003 - 12:18
Whenever I hear something about kiddy porn I always remember Nic Cages' movie, 8mm. That was a messed up film.

Good job Gates & Co.
#26.1 kemical on 09 Oct 2003 - 12:54
i thought that movie was about violent sex
#26.2 lnatan25 on 09 Oct 2003 - 13:12
Yes, it was...
#26.3 PetrucciSatriani on 09 Oct 2003 - 13:39
Yeah but it's along the same lines...
#26.4 deadmonkey on 09 Oct 2003 - 13:59
It was about snuff which is usually the rape of someone followed by a very violent killing. Child porn is very different to snuff. The only thing which makes them similar is that it is sick.