Pentium 4 Extreme Edition price revealed
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#1 Posted by Beast_4thHM on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:14
- Damn , I was thinking they will make a move on AMD by setting lower prices , now this is just pooooooo....
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#2 Posted by aristotle-dude on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:21
- What did you expect? 2MB L3 costs a lot.
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#3 Posted by 123_kid on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:33
- "If you want the ultimate rush, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price"
-Bodhi from Point Break
Maybe Intel could cut back production on the 3.2GHz Xeon with 2MB of cache. That chip and the P4EE are VERY similar.
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#4 Posted by TooPackShaker on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:33
- hah that thing is a joke
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#5 Posted by xStainDx on 09 Oct 2003 - 19:53
- change the news logo please!!!
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#6 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 09 Oct 2003 - 20:48
- $925, welcome back to the old days.
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#7 Posted by Gary_Player on 09 Oct 2003 - 20:53
- How much of the overall processor price is because of the Cache? Like 40% normally and 75% on the P4EEs?
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#8 Posted by badall on 09 Oct 2003 - 21:04
- then it's official cpu's now more expensive than platinum per gram
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#8.1 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 09 Oct 2003 - 21:05
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LOL.
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#9 Posted by Coolme on 09 Oct 2003 - 21:41
- OMG!!!! $925 that processor alone costs more than my computer and printers (2).
WTF? P43P 3.0E, P4P 3 and P4P 3.06 will all cost $218 on 15/Feb hmmm... which one should I choose?
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#10 Posted by DJLunacy on 09 Oct 2003 - 22:09
- Actually whoever wrote thiss article is wrong about the Athlon 64 only being available in the 3200+ "expensive" speed grade. There are also 3100+'s available.
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#11 Posted by nonick on 09 Oct 2003 - 22:21
- hahaha GO AMD! Intel suck.
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#12 Posted by jpcahn on 09 Oct 2003 - 22:31
- I must have been stupid for thinking Intel had finally learned their lesson. I thought the days of 900+ processor prices on a desktop were gone for good. Evidently Intel wants to relive the past. The kind of people they might appeal to buy calling it Extreme will not have 900 to blow on a processor so good luck to them. Like that other guy just said. I had IBuyPower make a pretty kickass system for my friend and the whole thing minus monitor was a couple hundred less then this processor alone.
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#13 Posted by insurektion on 10 Oct 2003 - 00:33
- like 1300 can bux ha ill take a car please
my system - monitor now was like 1000
Athlon 2500+@2800
512 (256x2) DDR333
80GB WD HD
9600 Pro
MSi K7N2Delta mobo
sickass case with a pretty fan and a case light.
why did they have to do extreme something like XC(L3) would be awesome (eXtended Cache)
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#14 Posted by krzystealth on 10 Oct 2003 - 04:28
- I wonder if they've gotten together to do a little 'price fixing' action...
Seems rather excessive for a processor with a little extra cache. Its not like they cost THAT MUCH more to produce.
If they're charging that because its the 'latest' thing, I think they forgot to reduce prices on the rest of their stuff. The 2.4C has been over $170 at newegg for like 6 months.
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#15 Posted by nookadum on 10 Oct 2003 - 06:43
- Uh, guys. $925 is at the launch. Wait for the price cuts.
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#16 Posted by macrosslover on 10 Oct 2003 - 07:01
- people what you have to understand is that this chip is essentially a Xeon chip, just like the athlon fx chip is an opteron chip. however AMD's prices are comporable to the opteron, but Intel has to price this chip low becaus a Xeon chip itself runs into the thousands. if Intel tried to price this chip any lower, that would almost be an instant monolopy action. it's one thing to lower prices to compete, but it's another thing to lower the price of your chip by hundreds and even thousands to responded to a competitors chip.
that said, there are some fools out there that would be willing to buy this, but based on teh benchmarks i've seen of the fx versus the EE, the athlon fx is a damn steal and IMO anybody who still gets the EE chip, is just foolish and will get Intel chips no matter how much they charge.
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#17 Posted by ambient on 10 Oct 2003 - 07:01
- wow you could buy one of these or 10 2500 bartons
hmmmm
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#18 Posted by Zelpus on 10 Oct 2003 - 09:44
- all you intel lovers can stfu about athlon 64 fx now
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#19 Posted by RangerLG on 10 Oct 2003 - 14:16
- They probably only need to sell 3 or 4 at this price maximize their profits. Then they will drop the price.
On the other hand, I saw the Athlon64 3200+ on newegg for 406 shipped. I know the FX is more like the EE, but that Athlon64 was 460 a of couple weeks back.
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#20 Posted by username on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:01
- EE = Expensive Edition
sorry, had to say that one
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#21 Posted by Krux on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:33
- pentium 4 extremly expensive but what were you guys expecting intel has always been way over priced. AMD all the way.
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#22 Posted by slapnuts_ox on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:22
- AMD Athlon 64 here I come...
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#23 Posted by Homer™ on 11 Oct 2003 - 11:25
- Stupid intel
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#24 Posted by gigsvoo on 14 Oct 2003 - 02:31
- Yeah... Intel goto Hell...
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