Kazaa has thrown its weight behind a plan to start billing song swappers for their music downloads.
The proposal, which could finally end the days of the free lunch for millions of music fans (with approx 5 million simultaneous users are logged into its network at any time), has been put to big US record labels at the same time as a new legitimate version of the former file-swapping giant Napster is launched in the US.
The idea is to phase in a billing mechanism for peer to peer networks, such as Kazaa and Morpheus, that allow users to copy music directly from each other's hard drives.
Initially payments would be by credit card, but in the future downloads would be automatically detected and a charge added to the monthly internet service provider bill.
Kazaa now hopes the music industry will forget past grievances and tap into the cleaned up versions of the networks that already have millions of users, rather than build their own networks from scratch.
Nikki Hemming, the Sydney-based chief executive of Sharman Networks, which runs Kazaa, said the business model offered "great hope for the entertainment industry".
Marty Lafferty, president of the Distributed Computing Industry Association. predictes that within four years of the big record labels adopting the plan, online music sales would outperform traditional offline sales. "The whole effort here is to go where the consumers are, to convert all that energy to selling licensed music" Marty says. By that time, Marty forecasts that 1.8 billion licensed tracks would be downloaded a month, worth more than $1 billion a month in revenue.
News source: CD Freaks
View: Sydney Morning Herald
The proposal, which could finally end the days of the free lunch for millions of music fans (with approx 5 million simultaneous users are logged into its network at any time), has been put to big US record labels at the same time as a new legitimate version of the former file-swapping giant Napster is launched in the US.
The idea is to phase in a billing mechanism for peer to peer networks, such as Kazaa and Morpheus, that allow users to copy music directly from each other's hard drives.
Initially payments would be by credit card, but in the future downloads would be automatically detected and a charge added to the monthly internet service provider bill.
Kazaa now hopes the music industry will forget past grievances and tap into the cleaned up versions of the networks that already have millions of users, rather than build their own networks from scratch.
Nikki Hemming, the Sydney-based chief executive of Sharman Networks, which runs Kazaa, said the business model offered "great hope for the entertainment industry".
Marty Lafferty, president of the Distributed Computing Industry Association. predictes that within four years of the big record labels adopting the plan, online music sales would outperform traditional offline sales. "The whole effort here is to go where the consumers are, to convert all that energy to selling licensed music" Marty says. By that time, Marty forecasts that 1.8 billion licensed tracks would be downloaded a month, worth more than $1 billion a month in revenue.
News source: CD Freaks View: Sydney Morning Herald
"Web services combined in composite applications require interoperable mechanisms to set the boundaries of an activity, to create, access, and manage context information and to inform participants of changes to an activity."
Martin Chapman of Oracle, proposed co-chair of the committee, added: "We expect WS-CAF specifications will become the building blocks for other web services standards.
"That's why we're taking an incremental, multi-protocol approach, creating a modular stack of specifications. Instead of mandating a single protocol, we want to offer users the option to implement portions of WS-CAF based on their needs."
The Oasis WS-CAF technical committee promised to accept as input the WS-Context, WS-Coordination Framework and WS-Transaction Management specifications published by Arjuna, Fujitsu, Iona, Oracle and Sun Microsystems.
Although Microsoft is conspicuous by its absence in the group, the committee said: "Other contributions are welcome on an equal basis."
WS-CAF developers also plan to liaise with efforts of the World Wide Web Consortium, including the XML Protocol, Web Service Architecture, Web Service Description, and Web Service Choreography Working Groups.
WS-CAF specifications will provide Web Service Definition Language definitions for context, coordination, and transactions. Message formats will be specified as secure object access protocol headers and/or body content.
you're a considerate fella -
seriously, another P2P program will popup and take all the users. Much like what happened with Napster and Audio Galaxy
At least i'm not in violation of the DCMA for using the z key too much... unlike that chap who may/may not get sued for revealing that if you hold down shift you can stop their anti-piracy software on their audio cd's from loading
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you will pay with your soul.
Gee - isn't spyware and malware included in your client making you enough money - you sneaky little devils you... who didn't see this coming - and who doesn't see that the next decentralized - no cost service will crush Kazaa like kazaa has crushed every pay-per-use service out there.
Kazaa is losing a bundle because of programs that kill the spyware and malware included in their software and the illegal (try to search for kazaalite on google) reverse-engineered software that connects to their networks. Well, too bad I have a funny feeling the user base won't go for this (especially since I wouldn't pay for some of the crap I get off Kazaa that will never be cleaned up because the RIAA spoofed/ruined versions of songs are so prevelant) and I doubt the industry will either since they have scrapped for so long against each other.
I'd rather download it directly from the source of the music. In the very least, I won't download from idiots who keep falsely labeled content shared.
"Hey this MP3 I downloaded has a blip in it! I want my 2.50 back!", "We are sorry sir, but if you would have read the EULA, Kazaa is not responsible for the quality of the content.", "Screw this!"
Use irc like real men.
KAZAA LITE BABY!
There are so many P2P out and also with BitTorrent , kazaa will end up like Napster.
Everybody is now trying to cash in on iTunes success.
I'm finding Kazaa (Network) is starting too suck anyways, I rarely use it now.
Come Into The Lite!
No one quite picked up on this...
News flash, the internet is NOT just about pirating music and software, its been around a long time before all you little tw*ts appeared, and its about something more important, information interchange, the advancement of technology. Wake up, smell the coffee, and f*ck off please.
Last edited by 1061 on 11 Oct 2003 - 09:58
Instead of being an intolerant prick, maybe you could try voicing your opinions in a civilized manner rather than just telling me off?
I feel that I should not buy a whole CD when I only want one song. Hence, Kazaa-Lite. When iTunes comes out for Windows next week, I plan on using that for the majority of my song downloads. However, I also listen to a lot of foreign music that won't be available on iTunes. As a result, the only way for me to listen to that music is via K-Lite. If iTunes expands its library enough that everything I would ever want is available from there, then I'll use that instead.
How about software? Games? Do I download them? Yep, and it's the company's own fault. If a new PC game comes out that I'm interested in, how can I try it out before I buy it? A demo? Hell, for "Command and Conquer: Generals," the demo came out at least 6 months (maybe a year) after the game was released in stores. I'm not going to spend $50 on a game that I don't even know if I like. Thus, my only option is to download a pirated copy of it. I ended up not liking it that much, so I deleted it. Am I in the wrong here? Not in my eyes.
Your response?
You see most of us aren't pirates - but sometimes you have to join forces with people you don't agree 100% with (look how many times we've done that with the french) when you have bigger fish to fry. The DMCA was put in place to prevent people from SWAPPING MUSIC/SOFTWARE - and it has basically destroyed the first amendment here in the US. The fight against P2P has been the biggest enemy of INFORMATION INTERCHANGE on the Internet. Further the fear of change from people like the RIAA and others involved in this arguement has been a huge hurdle to get technology advanced in the fields of audio/video storage.
As far as being a little pirate kiddie - explain to me how I pirated Mandrake Linux 9.1, the GIMP, BlueFish, gFTP, Opera, Mozilla, Kwrite, OO, Evolution etc. Sweeping generalizations are common from the RIAA and their ilk, I don't find it surprising that you would make them while trying to defend them. I certainly hope you're trolling this board, because frankly as a long time Neowin user/reader, I don't really want your kind here.
Now I'm off to listen to Electric Gypsy - an independent band that is not affiliated with the RIAA and believes that its a good idea to share their music over the web.
Your comment about most ppl not being pirates but mearly supporting the cause is largly unfounded in my neowin experience.
BTW, look at my user account before accusing me of mearly 'trolling the board', whether you want 'my kind' here or not, you've got no choice
Mopper, I love you too.
Voidunknown, porn isn't illegal now is it.
Obake, you said nothing more than a criminal who says "the system doesn't allow me to buy food, so I steal it". It doesn't make it right.
Huh? Are you saying that if it were against the law to buy food, you would rather die than steal a piece of bread?
That's some f'ed up logic right there.
Porn isn't illegal - unless you're viewing porn ripped from pay-sites or from DVDs/Videos that are fully protected by EULAs and Copyright law. Of which I assume the majority of your porn viewing from Kazaa is derived from. With that being the case - you are being quite hypocritical.
As far as 'trolling the board' I was referring to the fact that your post and follow up seemed to completely contridict each other and appeared to me to be solely being used to stir up negative comments here in the thread. If that is the case - and I hope it isn't - I don't have a lot of respect for the kind of person that does that - anymore than I have for hackers, spammers, or grief players in games - and given a choice I would rather live my life online without having to deal with any of those groups.
Your post asked for anyone who disagreed with you to "F*CK OFF" and "SHUT UP" neither of those comments encourage or support the concept of information interchange - quite the contrary they seem to request the exact opposite. Something to think about I think.
Do you keep the music (of licensed songs) that you download for more than 24 hours? If so then that's illegal in itself. Doesn't matter whether it's foreign or not.
1) you need to get a damn life!
2) Note the quote from your message, WTF do you think anything on the net dose. All data sent outside of your PC or to your PC is an interchange of information.
3) Advancement of technology, well what the **** do you think we do for that. As one reply stated brodband would not even be close to where it is today without the use of P2P networks. The home user would then have no need for 5MBps of bandwidth to go and shop on ebay.
ohh and one last thing
4) stop f*cking over working people. LMAO I wouldn't call making million off of a ****ty album that may have a handfull of good sonds and then 10 tracks of sh*t on it f*cking over a working person. More like getting what they deserve. The music industry wants to keep charging $14-20 a CD for a lot of sh*t then they are going to get scr*wed. THATS LIFE!
Sending packets over a network connection is DATA interchange, not information. Data is not information until recompiled into a useful format. If you want to be pedantic, I can be 10x more pedantic back, with a networking degree to back me up.As for P2P being the driving force behind 'broadband' (such a marketting term), you're wrong. People like you are a very small percentage of users, you're just so elitist that you dont realise it.
BonkeyProducer, your assumptions are wrong, so the conclusion invalid. As for my mouthing off, thats what you get when a person who normally bites his tongue a lot posts when drunk
Last edited by 5719 on 11 Oct 2003 - 05:19
IRC, WinMX, etc. Where there is a will, there will always be a way.
millions of users now, when it is free. but instant you tell them they will hafta pay, and they realize there are other choices, that are still free, like shareaza and limewire, bam... back down to 4 users.
they can never stop music downloaded, whats the point.
well i hope so, so people move to better networks like The Donkey Network
and let me just say that I wouldn't pay money to let others leech of my hard drive, i would pay for the music, not for the uploads
RIAA will never win. Tough luck, go home.
-lieb39