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Kazaa may end the free music download

me101   on 10 October 2003 - 15:16 · 94 comments & 13332 views

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Kazaa has thrown its weight behind a plan to start billing song swappers for their music downloads.

The proposal, which could finally end the days of the free lunch for millions of music fans (with approx 5 million simultaneous users are logged into its network at any time), has been put to big US record labels at the same time as a new legitimate version of the former file-swapping giant Napster is launched in the US.

The idea is to phase in a billing mechanism for peer to peer networks, such as Kazaa and Morpheus, that allow users to copy music directly from each other's hard drives.

Initially payments would be by credit card, but in the future downloads would be automatically detected and a charge added to the monthly internet service provider bill.

Kazaa now hopes the music industry will forget past grievances and tap into the cleaned up versions of the networks that already have millions of users, rather than build their own networks from scratch.

Nikki Hemming, the Sydney-based chief executive of Sharman Networks, which runs Kazaa, said the business model offered "great hope for the entertainment industry".

Marty Lafferty, president of the Distributed Computing Industry Association. predictes that within four years of the big record labels adopting the plan, online music sales would outperform traditional offline sales. "The whole effort here is to go where the consumers are, to convert all that energy to selling licensed music" Marty says. By that time, Marty forecasts that 1.8 billion licensed tracks would be downloaded a month, worth more than $1 billion a month in revenue.

News source: CD Freaks
View: Sydney Morning Herald


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Martin Chapman of Oracle, proposed co-chair of the committee, added: "We expect WS-CAF specifications will become the building blocks for other web services standards.

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The Oasis WS-CAF technical committee promised to accept as input the WS-Context, WS-Coordination Framework and WS-Transaction Management specifications published by Arjuna, Fujitsu, Iona, Oracle and Sun Microsystems.

Although Microsoft is conspicuous by its absence in the group, the committee said: "Other contributions are welcome on an equal basis."

WS-CAF developers also plan to liaise with efforts of the World Wide Web Consortium, including the XML Protocol, Web Service Architecture, Web Service Description, and Web Service Choreography Working Groups.

WS-CAF specifications will provide Web Service Definition Language definitions for context, coordination, and transactions. Message formats will be specified as secure object access protocol headers and/or body content.


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(2 replies) #1 AndyD on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:19
lol. like there aren't a dozen more ways to get it. What about everything else that is shared? What about all the millions of people who download porn every day?
#1.1 oblomov on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:54
what about all those porn-barons who are due $$$
you're a considerate fella -
#1.2 AndyD on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:59
hehehh
#2 Greenmuncher on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:20
and another network bites the dust

seriously, another P2P program will popup and take all the users. Much like what happened with Napster and Audio Galaxy
#3 bangbang023 on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:20
If they do this, the ysure as hell better remove that spyware. Besides, I don't see them surviving if they go through with this.
(1 reply) #4 Signum on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:22
Spelling mistake in the topic? KaZaz???? dont you mean KaZaA?
#4.1 rob.derosa on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:25
Unless there is a new P2P app that we don't know about
(4 replies) #5 Phoenix_25 on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:26
What's Kazaz?
#5.1 MadDog on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:29
It's KaZaA's evil, pay-per-use, twin.
#5.2 newsgeek on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:32
LMAO! ...
#5.3 me101 on 10 Oct 2003 - 16:38
oops... got a bit itchy with the z key on the keyboard...

At least i'm not in violation of the DCMA for using the z key too much... unlike that chap who may/may not get sued for revealing that if you hold down shift you can stop their anti-piracy software on their audio cd's from loading

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#5.4 mopper on 10 Oct 2003 - 23:48
your not in violation of the dcma, but i have noticed you did violate the dmca!

you will pay with your soul.
#6 AustinM1983 on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:29
yeah im sure everyone is gona start paying lol... the reason people use these rather than legitimate file swaping methods is for one reason .... its free ... kazaa lite will and i think already have just made their own version of kazaa instead of just a patch which is what they used to use.
#7 Stingray on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:47
Pay for Kazaa? Ah-ah!
#8 teka on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:58
In these cases we use to say in my Country: "Muerto el rey, viva el rey!" (something like "Died the king, the king lives!" )
#9 mlauzon on 10 Oct 2003 - 15:59
Well, I can see the comeback of the Gnutella P2P network if Sharman Networks goes ahead with this stupid idea!!!
#10 rocks1985 on 10 Oct 2003 - 16:30
Well, P2P networks are very important because they provide so much more music than any paying networks provide. And you can find so much more crap on kazaa than on iTunes or Napster 2.0 which only lets you search through mainstream songs and such. You can't find those "good old little old songs" that arent sold and stuff like that. and remixes, and special edition remixes, and lots of other cool ****
(1 reply) #11 rocks1985 on 10 Oct 2003 - 16:31
Also, I'd like to thank P2P networks for effectively getting consumers to buy Broadband. There is no way that the number of people using broadband would be using it today unless services like napster and kazaa came about.
#11.1 qoa on 11 Oct 2003 - 07:17
I agree with that.
#12 BonkedProducer on 10 Oct 2003 - 16:37
"Et tu KaZaa-te?!"

Gee - isn't spyware and malware included in your client making you enough money - you sneaky little devils you... who didn't see this coming - and who doesn't see that the next decentralized - no cost service will crush Kazaa like kazaa has crushed every pay-per-use service out there.

Kazaa is losing a bundle because of programs that kill the spyware and malware included in their software and the illegal (try to search for kazaalite on google) reverse-engineered software that connects to their networks. Well, too bad I have a funny feeling the user base won't go for this (especially since I wouldn't pay for some of the crap I get off Kazaa that will never be cleaned up because the RIAA spoofed/ruined versions of songs are so prevelant) and I doubt the industry will either since they have scrapped for so long against each other.
#13 ODiaz77 on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:02
i still find music in it when they gotta say to end it music download
#14 rogerroger on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:06
What's going to stop bogus music postings just to grab some quick cash? And what about renaming your .mp3 to .exe or something to circumvent the "pay-for-music" plan? I like the thinking, but I don't see it happeneing.
#15 dayle on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:07
i hate kazaa i use piolet
#16 g33kb0y on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:24
Oh, now they're going to CHARGE for downloading copyrighted material.
I'd rather download it directly from the source of the music. In the very least, I won't download from idiots who keep falsely labeled content shared.
#17 GSDragoon on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:30
Maybe with Kazaa Lite, we can get around paying.
#18 adonai on 10 Oct 2003 - 17:56
glad I uninstalled kazaa and started using another app
#19 iron2000 on 10 Oct 2003 - 18:05
Looks like the creators of Kazaa chickened-out and decided to convert.
#20 nic on 10 Oct 2003 - 18:24
This will never work. They can't gaurentee the quality of the music people are downloading, so how can the charge for it?

"Hey this MP3 I downloaded has a blip in it! I want my 2.50 back!", "We are sorry sir, but if you would have read the EULA, Kazaa is not responsible for the quality of the content.", "Screw this!"

#21 corrosive23 on 10 Oct 2003 - 18:44
kazaa sucks ass anyways, its the equivilant of buying sidewalk bootlegs. ****ty quality, misnamed product.





Use irc like real men.
#22 BonkedProducer on 10 Oct 2003 - 18:47
HAHAHAHA! I just realized that part of Shaman's defense against the RIAA is that they claim that even they cannot shut the network down (no centralized servers) so if they did this - their own successful free network will be their biggest competition.

KAZAA LITE BABY!
#23 xpablo on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:02
Hastalavista Kazaa !

There are so many P2P out and also with BitTorrent , kazaa will end up like Napster.
Everybody is now trying to cash in on iTunes success.

I'm finding Kazaa (Network) is starting too suck anyways, I rarely use it now.
#24 vetvoidunknown on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:31
Where there is Kazaa, there is Kazaa Lite.

Come Into The Lite!
#25 Lighter on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:33
Kazaa is looking to establish a legitimate pay-per-media file service in order to alleviate numbing pressure by the IRAA and MPAA. They mentioned very little about preventing users from going about their usual "grab it, it's free" business.

No one quite picked up on this...
(1 reply) #26 Klownicle on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:34
The end of music it self! O no! Try DC++? Irc? Ftp? Private Networks? WinMX? Morons. You cannot stop it. You will be assimilated.
#26.1 AnArChYx30 on 11 Oct 2003 - 07:55
My thoughts exactly!
(1 reply) #27 kaptain chump on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:35
Yeah so i pay for bandwidth to upload to other people, and some asswad is gonna try to profit off me? KaZaA can cram it!

#27.1 vetvoidunknown on 10 Oct 2003 - 19:43
If they supplied a pay-per-download service, more than likely it would be hosted on their own servers. Just like the partner downloads they have right now (The ones that show up as gold on the file list).
(13 replies) #28 Jon on 10 Oct 2003 - 20:08
The fact that any news to do with P2P attracts 30+ replies says a LOT about neowin's newer readership to me. You are all a bunch of pirating kidies who need to get a perspective on life (ie: get a job, a family, a career and stop f*cking over working people)

News flash, the internet is NOT just about pirating music and software, its been around a long time before all you little tw*ts appeared, and its about something more important, information interchange, the advancement of technology. Wake up, smell the coffee, and f*ck off please.

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#28.1 rogerroger on 10 Oct 2003 - 20:30
Yeah, Jon, it is good for P*rn too!
#28.2 Jon on 10 Oct 2003 - 20:34
Yes. Yes it is
#28.3 obake on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:38
How about you f*ck off? Pro-P2P people have just as much a right to their opinions about music and software downloading as anti-P2P people. You have no authority to tell me to f*ck off because my beliefs are different than yours.

Instead of being an intolerant prick, maybe you could try voicing your opinions in a civilized manner rather than just telling me off?

I feel that I should not buy a whole CD when I only want one song. Hence, Kazaa-Lite. When iTunes comes out for Windows next week, I plan on using that for the majority of my song downloads. However, I also listen to a lot of foreign music that won't be available on iTunes. As a result, the only way for me to listen to that music is via K-Lite. If iTunes expands its library enough that everything I would ever want is available from there, then I'll use that instead.

How about software? Games? Do I download them? Yep, and it's the company's own fault. If a new PC game comes out that I'm interested in, how can I try it out before I buy it? A demo? Hell, for "Command and Conquer: Generals," the demo came out at least 6 months (maybe a year) after the game was released in stores. I'm not going to spend $50 on a game that I don't even know if I like. Thus, my only option is to download a pirated copy of it. I ended up not liking it that much, so I deleted it. Am I in the wrong here? Not in my eyes.

Your response?
#28.4 vetvoidunknown on 10 Oct 2003 - 22:33
By law, according to my understanding, you are allowed to retain any software for 24 hours if you do not own it. After that you MUST delete it. If you dont, then it becomes illegal.
#28.5 vetvoidunknown on 10 Oct 2003 - 22:36
Funny Jon. I'm not taking sides here. You bash P2P users and anyone not using the internet for "information interchange, the advancement of technology" in your post. Yet your very next post you admit to using the internet for p*rn? Sounds like a double standard to me...
#28.6 mopper on 10 Oct 2003 - 23:51
jon your gay IMO
#28.7 BonkedProducer on 10 Oct 2003 - 23:56
No Jon, I don't need a fresh PERSPECTIVE on life. Let's see, I'm a professional software developer, have been for over three years, spent six years defending your right to post things like this on the web (assuming you are an American Citizen/or a Brit) and your TROLLING post isn't appreciated by me.

You see most of us aren't pirates - but sometimes you have to join forces with people you don't agree 100% with (look how many times we've done that with the french) when you have bigger fish to fry. The DMCA was put in place to prevent people from SWAPPING MUSIC/SOFTWARE - and it has basically destroyed the first amendment here in the US. The fight against P2P has been the biggest enemy of INFORMATION INTERCHANGE on the Internet. Further the fear of change from people like the RIAA and others involved in this arguement has been a huge hurdle to get technology advanced in the fields of audio/video storage.

As far as being a little pirate kiddie - explain to me how I pirated Mandrake Linux 9.1, the GIMP, BlueFish, gFTP, Opera, Mozilla, Kwrite, OO, Evolution etc. Sweeping generalizations are common from the RIAA and their ilk, I don't find it surprising that you would make them while trying to defend them. I certainly hope you're trolling this board, because frankly as a long time Neowin user/reader, I don't really want your kind here.

Now I'm off to listen to Electric Gypsy - an independent band that is not affiliated with the RIAA and believes that its a good idea to share their music over the web.
#28.8 Jon on 11 Oct 2003 - 10:01
Well the only person who made any remotely sensible points is BonkedProducer, but I still see them as nothing more than excuses. And you missed the point, I'm fed up with kiddies whining about p2p on neowin, they seem to treat it as their god given right to leech.
Your comment about most ppl not being pirates but mearly supporting the cause is largly unfounded in my neowin experience.
BTW, look at my user account before accusing me of mearly 'trolling the board', whether you want 'my kind' here or not, you've got no choice

Mopper, I love you too.

Voidunknown, porn isn't illegal now is it.

Obake, you said nothing more than a criminal who says "the system doesn't allow me to buy food, so I steal it". It doesn't make it right.
#28.9 obake on 11 Oct 2003 - 16:08
QUOTE (#28.
Obake, you said nothing more than a criminal who says "the system doesn't allow me to buy food, so I steal it". It doesn't make it right

Huh? Are you saying that if it were against the law to buy food, you would rather die than steal a piece of bread?

That's some f'ed up logic right there.
#28.10 BonkedProducer on 11 Oct 2003 - 16:09
Valid defenses there Jon, until you get to the reply to Voiduknown -

Porn isn't illegal - unless you're viewing porn ripped from pay-sites or from DVDs/Videos that are fully protected by EULAs and Copyright law. Of which I assume the majority of your porn viewing from Kazaa is derived from. With that being the case - you are being quite hypocritical.

As far as 'trolling the board' I was referring to the fact that your post and follow up seemed to completely contridict each other and appeared to me to be solely being used to stir up negative comments here in the thread. If that is the case - and I hope it isn't - I don't have a lot of respect for the kind of person that does that - anymore than I have for hackers, spammers, or grief players in games - and given a choice I would rather live my life online without having to deal with any of those groups.

Your post asked for anyone who disagreed with you to "F*CK OFF" and "SHUT UP" neither of those comments encourage or support the concept of information interchange - quite the contrary they seem to request the exact opposite. Something to think about I think.

#28.11 nookadum on 12 Oct 2003 - 08:17
QUOTE (#28.3)
I feel that I should not buy a whole CD when I only want one song. Hence, Kazaa-Lite. When iTunes comes out for Windows next week, I plan on using that for the majority of my song downloads. However, I also listen to a lot of foreign music that won't be available on iTunes. As a result, the only way for me to listen to that music is via K-Lite. If iTunes expands its library enough that everything I would ever want is available from there, then I'll use that instead.

Do you keep the music (of licensed songs) that you download for more than 24 hours? If so then that's illegal in itself. Doesn't matter whether it's foreign or not.
#28.12 Hateway on 12 Oct 2003 - 13:58
Jon, wtf is up with you?

1) you need to get a damn life!

QUOTE
News flash, the internet is NOT just about pirating music and software, its been around a long time before all you little tw*ts appeared, and its about something more important, information interchange, the advancement of technology. Wake up, smell the coffee, and f*ck off please.

2) Note the quote from your message, WTF do you think anything on the net dose. All data sent outside of your PC or to your PC is an interchange of information.
3) Advancement of technology, well what the **** do you think we do for that. As one reply stated brodband would not even be close to where it is today without the use of P2P networks. The home user would then have no need for 5MBps of bandwidth to go and shop on ebay.

ohh and one last thing
4) stop f*cking over working people. LMAO I wouldn't call making million off of a ****ty album that may have a handfull of good sonds and then 10 tracks of sh*t on it f*cking over a working person. More like getting what they deserve. The music industry wants to keep charging $14-20 a CD for a lot of sh*t then they are going to get scr*wed. THATS LIFE!
#28.13 Jon on 13 Oct 2003 - 11:22
Hateway, that really was a crap reply.
Sending packets over a network connection is DATA interchange, not information. Data is not information until recompiled into a useful format. If you want to be pedantic, I can be 10x more pedantic back, with a networking degree to back me up.As for P2P being the driving force behind 'broadband' (such a marketting term), you're wrong. People like you are a very small percentage of users, you're just so elitist that you dont realise it.

BonkeyProducer, your assumptions are wrong, so the conclusion invalid. As for my mouthing off, thats what you get when a person who normally bites his tongue a lot posts when drunk We all have our moments.
(2 replies) #29 badcompany on 10 Oct 2003 - 20:50
They managed to hack the participation level, so i don't see this as being an issue.
#29.1 vetvoidunknown on 10 Oct 2003 - 22:37
by the way, off subject. What was the point of hacking the participation level? Just curious.
#29.2 rusonjitsu on 10 Oct 2003 - 23:13
the participation level, the higher it is, the faster/more downloads u have..apparently
#30 jpcahn on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:18
If you want to be legit just subscribe to Rhapsody. I can go there and cue up a ton of tracks to listen to on my PC for 7 bucks a month. Then I can record the streams and make MP3s from them. Oh wait a minute I guess thats only sorta Legit lol.


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(1 reply) #31 WS togermano on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:19
Oh well winmx and blubster is better anyways
#31.1 IntelliMoo on 11 Oct 2003 - 01:31
winmx still works AT ALL?! wow
#32 stncttr908 on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:24
Who in their right mind would use Kazaa for music anyway? Oh, please let me assemble a CD out of misnamed, poor quality songs!

IRC, WinMX, etc. Where there is a will, there will always be a way.
#33 RSCD_Immortal on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:33
I HATE THE RIAA THEY CAN GOTO HELL as long as KAZAA IS AROUND THE RIAA IS POWERLESS =)

#34 RSCD_Immortal on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:33
dont give in to big biz Kazaa PLEASE!!!!
(1 reply) #35 isus on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:36
"Kazaa now hopes the music industry will forget past grievances and tap into the cleaned up versions of the networks that already have millions of users, rather than build their own networks from scratch."

millions of users now, when it is free. but instant you tell them they will hafta pay, and they realize there are other choices, that are still free, like shareaza and limewire, bam... back down to 4 users.
#35.1 yoaliens3000 on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:43
thats exactly what i was thinking.

they can never stop music downloaded, whats the point.
#36 Ev1lg0at on 10 Oct 2003 - 21:58
obake.... I completely agree with you on that point. Why should I pay for a whole cd when I only want one freakin song. Plus... the riaa is acting as if their doing the aritsts a favor... pshhh **** that, artists get jack anyway... if artist would open their own website where you could buy it directly from them, i would be well up for that. until then, hello irc!
#37 Gary_Player on 10 Oct 2003 - 22:11
Wow, this isnt retarded
(1 reply) #38 Hekx on 10 Oct 2003 - 22:23
BT Experimental & eMule Plus all the way.
#38.1 doofy on 11 Oct 2003 - 08:26
and piolet !!!
(2 replies) #39 James55 on 11 Oct 2003 - 00:03
Kazaa is an evil program anyway. Have you noticed how many people that are being prosecuted by riaa are using kazaa?? There are many programs out there that are not on thier list.
#39.1 IntelliMoo on 11 Oct 2003 - 01:32
hey, it's like ms, man... the most popular is obviously the most used.
#39.2 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:05
true
#40 Skyfrog on 11 Oct 2003 - 01:47
Dear RIAA, Pandora's box has already been opened. Deal with it.
#41 Quick Reply on 11 Oct 2003 - 02:18
lol that's a good one as if...

well i hope so, so people move to better networks like The Donkey Network

and let me just say that I wouldn't pay money to let others leech of my hard drive, i would pay for the music, not for the uploads
#42 lieb39 on 11 Oct 2003 - 03:00
Well If Kazaa bites the dust for sure, than another program will rise. This will contiune to happen forever, it will never change because as long as people don't have to pay, why will they? I use kazaa right now because of the large amounts of people on it... and it's not some stupid upload/download thing (i have a usage limit..)

RIAA will never win. Tough luck, go home.

-lieb39
(1 reply) #43 Trust on 11 Oct 2003 - 03:47
pay per share?... what the world is becoming? huh?. Time to start to use another and another p2p. If not... Well we can create our version, ciphered comm with a lot of anothers things to avoid annoying ppl
#43.1 mipra on 09 Nov 2003 - 23:05
PPV? PPS?
#44 MegaManXcalibur on 11 Oct 2003 - 04:13
Does this mean they will now remove all that spyware that has been "paying" for Kazaa? At least this means a lot of people will probably delete Kazaa, then I can stop getting so many stupid calls about people's computer doing crazy things due to spyware and viruses they downloaded from Kazaa. WOOHOO!
(1 reply) #45 CatnipOligarthy on 11 Oct 2003 - 05:14
right so since kazaa has no central network, that means they cant possibly shut it down, they can only charge to use the program.. so kazaa lite will live on! do the record industries like not know about kazaa lite or what
#45.1 BonkedProducer on 11 Oct 2003 - 16:17
Actually the RIAA knows all about it - in fact when Kazaa sued the RIAA recently one of the points in the case was the fact that the RIAA was illegally using K-lite to access the network.
#46 ADV on 11 Oct 2003 - 06:03
I stoped using kazaa lite a long time ago when they started sueing people.
#47 fiBer on 11 Oct 2003 - 08:56
They cant scare me..
(1 reply) #48 alanzeino2002 on 11 Oct 2003 - 10:26