Apple News :- iTunes for Windows and iPod accessories

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At the Moscone Center West in San Francisco, Apple are making the following announcements revolving around their iPod and iTunes Music Store... :D

iTunes for Windows launched....
- Exactly the same interface and functionality. "iTunes for Windows is the best windows app ever written."
  Runs on Windows XP and Windows 2000.
- Offers jukebox functions - even if you don't use the store.
  Jobs compares with Microsoft and MusicMatch offerings. They have crippled and/or limited features, looking to drive paid upgrades. iTunes best the competition by more MP3 encoding optins, CD burning, iPod integration, music sharing among several computers.
- Full integration with Rendezvous, sharing songs with a Mac and/or PC's on a network including streaming of songs.
- iTMS built directly into iTunes for Windows. Same store, same functionality. "Best" personal Content rights are the same (own music, unlimited CD burning, burn unchanged playlists up to 10 times, etc.
- "Hell freezes over" Poster announced... (referring to introduction of iTunes for Windows) and $20 gift certificate to iTMS.

Download: ITunes for Windows (20,030,720 bytes)

View: Apple iTunes main site, completly updated...

News source: MacNN 16th October 2003 Apple Moscone Center West event

News source: MacRumors - 16th October 2003 Apple Moscone Center West event

But the firm added that "significant barriers exist" which may prevent reliable exploitation outside controlled lab conditions.

ISS said that Microsoft has not yet released a patch for the vulnerability, and urged network administrators to assess external exposure to vulnerabilities associated with Microsoft services running on ports 135, 137, 138, 139, 445 and 593 on both the network perimeter and VPN connections.

Speaking at Microsoft's Partner Summit in New Orleans last week, chief executive Steve Ballmer criticised security researchers and their methods of disclosing vulnerabilities early.

"These are people who discover vulnerabilities, and it's part of their job to go public with them," he said.

"What we have done over the last six months is intersect with them to make sure disclosure is done in a more responsible way. I wish these people would just be quiet, but that's not going to happen."

ISS countered that it had speeded up disclosure of the vulnerability because tools are in circulation to demonstrate the DoS condition.

#1 timbo3 on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:49

WHERE!!?!??!?

The site still aint up yet.

#2 primortal on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:49

links?

#3 aStRaLgOd on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:50

Oh yeah! Same damn thing! Now I'm getting to like Apple!

If only I had money to buy a mac

#4 nomis_nehc on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:50

exactly what I was thiking... links anybody?

#5 me101 on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:50

info still coming in.. updating as I find new details..

#6 mac15 on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:52

they will be up like 2 secs faster the keynots is over! this is awesome even for me a mac user!

#7 me101 on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:54

I wonder if the event will be available to "watch" later on the Apple site in QuickTime format...

#8 sebaz on 16 Oct 2003 - 17:55

i hope so..

its been show lived at the apple stores right now

#9 Chicane-UK on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:00

Definately time for me to be buying an iPod I think.

Gonna chase it up tomorrow I think

(7 replies) #10 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:02

Uh, you guys are way behind!!!

You're missing the big bit....

Hint:

A

O

?

#10.1 Knight' on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:03

A O ?

#10.2 Chrisnet on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:07

aol....

#10.3 elatedmedia on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:07

AOL?

#10.4 aStRaLgOd on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:08

AOHell

#10.5 snippet1 on 17 Oct 2003 - 06:44

Is AOL Apple's official ISP partner or something? Weird seeing as AOL|7 doesn't provide a client for Macs

#10.6 tRr on 17 Oct 2003 - 07:34

They arn't the official ISP of Apple they just have a promotion going on with AOL Music.

And yes there is a Mac version of AOL: Check here.

#10.7 Riggs on 17 Oct 2003 - 15:44

Earthlink is Apple's official ISP

#11 doofy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:11

now where can i download? ??

(1 reply) #12 sparkyewu on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:12

Just because aol is integrating ITMS does not mean that itunes uses AOL as an interface or anything.

#12.1 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:22

No sh1t, I'm watching the event now. What it means is that AOL's store links to and launches iTunes. Which means, iTunes will be kicking thorough ass in sales through previous numbers, PC numbers, Pepsi giveaway, gift certificates and "allowances", and now the AOL partnership.

#13 sparkyewu on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:12

The conference isnt done yet, when it is apple will most likely update their site.

(5 replies) #14 IPv6 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:15

finally! I almost tried buymusic.com yesterday but damn they suck big time.

#14.1 tuxracer on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:02

I would have tried buymusic.com, but they blocked Mozilla Firebird so screw em

#14.2 divertom15 on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:15

ooh firebird haters are a NO in my book
since everyone has to bow down before the mighty power of firebird

#14.3 Dashel on 16 Oct 2003 - 22:42

Hehe, hell yea. Don't support FireBird=No business from me

#14.4 snippet1 on 17 Oct 2003 - 06:45

I don't use Firebird (sucker to IE

), but they don't deserve business if they block Firebird uses

#14.5 Jugalator on 19 Oct 2003 - 01:33

Nope, it's actually really easy to support modern browsers.
Just follow the standards and everyone will be happy.

Even IE comes with decent standard support, although not as GOOD as Firebird's or Opera's, but it should be good enough.

But then their brainwashed web designers do what they were taught in IE School or wherever they get educated. Code IE-specific stuff. Great.

They have the option to reach a larger audience, but they don't. That can only mean they're poorly educated designers.

#15 indiedude on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:16

I've been waiting all day for someone to give an update on this news, hehe can't wait to hook iTunes up to my Pod

hope there's a link soon

#16 GoldFox on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:18

FINALLY i can condem musicmatch to the recycle bin for ever!!!!

#17 jmole on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:19

Here is a live minute by minute of the the news conference: Link.

(3 replies) #18 dougkinzinger on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:19

I'm getting a Creative Rhomba.

#18.1 Chicane-UK on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:33

And for around $40 more you can get a 10GB iPod with around 40x the storage.. No brainer!

#18.2 JaggedFlame on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:24

For $50 more, I got a 30 GB player from Creative that still fits in my pocket. Even more of a no-brainer.

#18.3 tRr on 17 Oct 2003 - 08:05

It really comes down to the interface for playing your music. Out of all the players I have used, IMHO nothing comes even close to the iPod. Worst part about the iPod used to be Music Match if you were buying it for Windows, but now that seems to be over.

You gotta think that all those people giving the iPod its 31% unit market-share are surely seeing something more, or else why would they pay the extra dollars?

(8 replies) #19 123_kid on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:27

Partnership with AOL...you know what else AOL owns? Winamp. I wonder if anything will happen between them...I'm thinking Quicktime AAC ripping with Winamp, that would be pretty hot.

#19.1 acidbrnd on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:30

It's funny you should mention that. The new winamp 5 beta has AAC ripping support I was just looking at that.

#19.2 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:38

AAC doesn't require working with Apple. It is an mpeg standard. It should have already overtaken mp3, but besides Apple everyone else is slow as molasses.

#19.3 tuxracer on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:04

Winamp 2.92 supports OGG ripping. Higher quality, generally smaller file size, and patent-free format

#19.4 divertom15 on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:16

I dont see any ogg players only portable mp3 players so looks like ill be stiking with mp3 format

#19.5 Proneax on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:23

it's not that everyone else is slow, it's that apple has a captive audience, so they can push new standards through more quickly and more efficiently.

#19.6 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 20:32

No, it's because others are slow. There's no reason most new apps, players, DVD and CD players, etc... couldn't support AAC but they haven't. That's not the same as manufacturers and developers supporting it but the inertia of the audience keeps them on mp3.

#19.7 Suddenly_Dead on 17 Oct 2003 - 02:01

Duh, it's because MP3 has the name with it. Any computer newbie knows what an MP3 is, but how many off them have heard of OGG or AAC. Heck, i've seen alot of people who just think all computer music is called "mp3". Have to realize that alot of the market isn't driven by a few geeks, it's the rest of the people (hence AOL's success for example).

#19.8 IgwanaRob on 18 Oct 2003 - 05:04

Take a look at iRiver - they're supporting ogg now

#20 xDEATHx on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:27

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

#21 aStRaLgOd on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:28

Out it is! http://wsidecar.apple.com/cgi-bin/it/nph-itunes.hqx

#22 elatedmedia on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:28

Download

http://akamaidownload.apple.com/530x3824/binaries/iTunesSetup.exe

#23 Anubis187 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:29

Its out, Its Out now!!!! w00t w00t

#24 Chicane-UK on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:30

*edit*

Wow, i'm so slow

#25 me101 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:30

updated...

and downloaded, installing...

(1 reply) #26 macrosslover on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:31

just downloaded the program, so i'll have to try the program now and the store later. try the preview songs to see how good the quality is. they say it has the same interface as the mac but from the screenshots it still looks like the same one as quicktime, i'll see when i install the program.

#26.1 the evn show on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:37

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

Mac users can get iTunes and the iPod software via software update.

#27 zerolimit on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:33

http://akamaidownload.apple.com/530x3824/akform.html

(3 replies) #28 sparkyewu on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:34

Link is up on apples site:

HELL FROZE OVER

#28.1 macrosslover on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:37

i don't know why they are going with a hell froze over campaign, it's not that big a deal or surprise since it was the worst kept secret in the industry.

however if they ever ported os x to x86 now that would be hell freezing over.

#28.2 skinnyjm on 17 Oct 2003 - 01:12

As well as the end of Apple as a hardware vendor

#28.3 Dashel on 17 Oct 2003 - 21:26

So you are saying that Apple's hardware can't stand on its own merits? I think Jobs just doesn't want to conceed to Gates that software is where the money is at.

(16 replies) #29 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:35

im downloading rite now....even though i've never liked apple products, i like to be aware of whats available.

hopefully i will be surprised and maybe ill like it....i only wish they wouldnt use the ugly metal look

#29.1 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:40

installing rite now, im not impressed that the installer is installing Quicktime.....

#29.2 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:44

It's just using/updating codecs. Using the codecs in QT doesn't necessarily reflect on WiniTunes performance.

#29.3 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:49

im using it rite now, its not really living up to the hype, its just a big jukebox, winamp does a better job :/

but i guess if u want to buy music it can be good......but just use kazaa

#29.4 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:50

Not living up to the hype? It's hyped as a jukebox. What did you expect? A can opener?

#29.5 macrosslover on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:53

lol, i'll be amazed if it does well in sales and gets over the initial wow factor that apple always enjoys...because of kazaa of course. i'll try a song here and there to see the quality of the songs, restrictions, library, etc.. but who knows what the future holds.

i do think that Apple knocked a homerun with the aol deal though. as much as i can't stand aol and still won't be using them as an isp, it definately makes it that much easier for somebody to download music,, now that's good business strategy. hell if they stop being stubborn and offer it to other isps, msn, earthlink etc...then they willl should lock up the market. looks like somebody at Apple is finally pulling some MS style tactics.

#29.6 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:00

lol at you, macross. Your typical hater bullsh!t. Apple is already kicking every Wintel options's asses with only 3%. So... according to you sales are going to go down with a bigger audience, huge promotion, big partner, and gift certificates and allowances?

Okay, dude...

You may also have missed that the average per week has gone back up -- it had gone down to 500,000 per week but is now at 600,000.

#29.7 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:02

its good but not any better than whats already out there, the only thing it adds is the apple store

im not too sure about this statement, but if theres a way to do it please someone tell me:

there's no way to download album information and cover like u can do with WMP9 is there?

#29.8 macrosslover on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:04

you know that's all good and dandy, but Mac has never had anything as big as kazaa and all the other p2p programs that "plague" the pc. people always could buy their music, but they still choose to download it off the net. there were big promotions by the RIAA saying don't do it, they still did. i'm not stuck in some fairytale thinking that oh the world is perfect now that Apple has released their store. masses of people will instantly stop getting their music for free and start paying for it

#29.9 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:05

Rudy, I think you can when purchasing albums through the store.

But in addition, iTunes has a great plug-in architecture. There are tons of great plug-ins (visualizers, transcoders, many types of things) and there are several iTune plug-ins for album art.

Don't know how plug-ins will work for the WIn version though.

#29.10 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:07

ill look into the plugging thing but i'd like to be able to get them for my existing mp3s cuz im not going to use the store

#29.11 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:08

Right, well, that's where the plug-ins come in. I would imagine they aren't going to work on the PC side. (UNIX style architecture rather than DLLs). But in time, they will probably release a plug-in SDK or create some system so they work for both platforms.

#29.12 tRr on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:34

There are some programs for the mac that grab cover art automatically for you, and I assume they will be coming to Windows shortly.

You can drag them in manually now if you want though, its right most button on the bottom left (a picture of a triangle in a window). Amazon.com has a pretty good selection.

#29.13 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:40

that would be cool, i like how WMP9 does it but i dont like the way it sounds, winamp sounds better and itunes quality is really close

#29.14 dp123 on 17 Oct 2003 - 00:05

"you know that's all good and dandy, but Mac has never had anything as big as kazaa and all the other p2p programs that "plague" the pc. people always could buy their music, but they still choose to download it off the net. there were big promotions by the RIAA saying don't do it, they still did. i'm not stuck in some fairytale thinking that oh the world is perfect now that Apple has released their store. masses of people will instantly stop getting their music for free and start paying for it"

By the way, macross, how much money does kazaa make? Napster? Oh, so this isn't about being the biggest, most successful, financial and for-profit venture, this continues to be about you whining.

By the way, the Mac didn't have Kazaa, but do you think there was no P2P for the Mac? Silly.

#29.15 macrosslover on 17 Oct 2003 - 05:14

yeah the mac really had 60 million people stealing songs

give it up man everybody knows it's a much bigger problem on the pc and it remains to be seen if Apple can successfully overcome that problem,

QUOTE

By the way, macross, how much money does kazaa make? Napster?

once again you are missing the point...free or pay, masses of users aren't simply going to just stop getting their music for free when there has always been pay options available. it's like a crack addiction, the only way you can truly stop it is to stop the source, and i've said it before and i'll say it again for any of these services to reach the full potential and ultimately succeed, the RIAA has to eliminate all the p2p programs from trading music files.

#29.16 snippet1 on 17 Oct 2003 - 06:55

QUOTE (#29.15)

yeah the mac really had 60 million people stealing songs give it up man everybody knows it's a much bigger problem on the pc and it remains to be seen if Apple can successfully overcome that problem,

Geez, macross! Sure, less of the people downloading music from the net use Macs - but less of the people with computers have Macs!

#30 primortal on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:36

ipod update 2.1
http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

#31 Chicane-UK on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:37

Looks good! Looks very similar to the OSX iTunes, and certainly seems to perform very well.. not like Quicktime!

Go Apple! This rocks!!

#32 yudi_lks on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:38

It's 20 megs

(9 replies) #33 dougkinzinger on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:41

Looks like QuickTime. It'll probably refresh my screen all crazy every time I simply move the window. You suck, Apple.

#33.1 primortal on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:42

then don't install it

#33.2 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:43

Have you tried it? Maybe, you suck, doug.

#33.3 acidbrnd on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:49

get the quicktime alterntive and you won't have that problem. I hated quicktime cause of that. But now I don't have that problem.

#33.4 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:52

actually, they managed to make it better, the small player can be move around just like a regular window (without heavy refreshing) but the big player has a harder time to do the same

#33.5 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:54

What the hell is the "small player" and the "big player"? Hopefully some softies will learn something in the course of this experiment.

#33.6 Rudy on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:58

by mini player i mean when all you can see is the player's control and song name, big player as when the whole jukeboxe thing is there

#33.7 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:01

Well, Rudy, similar to Windows, you could refer to that as minimized and maximized rather than acting as if they are different apps.

#33.8 dougkinzinger on 16 Oct 2003 - 19:02

you're right.......I do suck..........

Just kidding---Apple doesn't suck, but I still hate QuickTime. Hence, QuickTime Alternative.

#33.9 shift on 17 Oct 2003 - 08:14

will you **** off with the bold now?

(6 replies) #34 aStRaLgOd on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:45

Oh man it rocks! They really worked hard on that one!

One bad thing, music store unavailable in Canada

That sucks

#34.1 dp123 on 16 Oct 2003 - 18:48

Wait, a couple of months. Might be before the end of the year.

...And then Europe!

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