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Microsoft To Unwrap Longhorn Code

malebolgia   on 22 October 2003 - 02:10 · 31 comments & 469 views

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For anyone who develops software for Windows PCs--and that includes nearly everyone who manages business applications--next week will be an important one. Microsoft will take the wraps off the first publicly available code for its next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn. It's due in 2006, if all goes according to plan. Billed as the biggest release of Microsoft's flagship product since Windows 95 nearly a decade ago, Longhorn will include technology for building a new generation of "smart client" software that combines the look and feel of PC apps like Word or Excel with immediate access to information off the Web.

"Instead of this disconnected state between your applications, you're counting on connectivity," says Don Cosseboom, director of R&D at Molecular Inc., a developer of business software. Though Longhorn apps won't debut for at least another three years, Microsoft at its Professional Developers Conference in Los Angeles next week will disclose the first technical information developers need to know about writing to a new set of technologies that could radically change how Windows PCs find, organize, present, and share information across networks.

News source: InformationWeek


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(4 replies) #1 OrangeSoul on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:14
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Billed as the biggest release of Microsoft's flagship product since Windows 95 nearly a decade ago


isnt that what they said about XP?
#1.1 Mav Phoenix on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:23
2shay!
#1.2 koppit on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:24
Well, I guess it was kind of a flagship release, but then they realised their flagship had a few hundred holes in it, and it's been sinking ever since...
#1.3 OSUKid7 on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:30
think of this as how AOL markets: "The best AOL yet" - yeah, yet...it's not like it's gonna be worse than the last (well, it might be, but don't start an AOL fight )
#1.4 Jason on 22 Oct 2003 - 08:25
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isnt that what they said about XP?

No XP was only a minor upgrade to 2000 (NT5 to NT5.1) 2000 was a massive upgrade to NT4 but Longorn will eclipse that.

What made XP important was that it gave home users an NT based OS to use.
#2 nowimnothing on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:31
The title made me think they were releasing the source or something almost had a heart attack - should have known better though
(4 replies) #3 Ely on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:47
You guys are idiots, Windows XP has REALLY been the best Windows release ever, I know there have bugs and security problems, but then again tell me which OS , which program, which software will not contain bugs and security issues. Specially when this software is the most widely used Operating System in the world?
Windows is 24/7 exposed to a zillion hackers, crackers and trial and error searches for holes and all that sort of stuff.
So get a life and learn a little bit more about computers then talk. Safe yourself looking so ridiculous.
#3.1 werejag on 22 Oct 2003 - 04:17
Well said thou some of this is truelly more fanboy than real facts but good post

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So get a life and learn a little bit more about computers then talk. Safe yourself looking so ridiculous.


please dont for 1 sec believe becuase you are on microsoft's side and other are pointing out where major problems lays in windows, that you know more about computers than them.

With you statement you showed who was making themself looking so ridiculous.
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You guys are idiots, .... began fanboy rant.... misunderstand facts....call names....





#3.2 JohnSK on 22 Oct 2003 - 05:59
I've been using PC's for like 10 years now and IMO Windows XP IS the best Windows that has been released. As for Linux, I've tried many distros, some are good and some are even better, but I didn't feel as comfortable with them as with Windows - installing new HW drivers is a great pain in Linux.. plus KDE and GNOME are not too stable, they kept crashing quite often. And most SW I use is for Windows, some Linux alternatives are good but some are much worse than their Windows counterparts.

As for the article, I feel uncomfortable with the idea of sharing all my data on the NET.. If M$ does this and also will implement their DRM bull**** I just might go over to Linux or use XP for quite some time in the future.
#3.3 SomeDork on 22 Oct 2003 - 07:33
Education is the path to removing the fear. Or trust. Seeing as we could safely assume you have no trust in Microsoft, then education is the way to go.

If you don't want to be educated on DRM or NGSCB "opt-in" technologies, then you can take my word for it: It will be in all OSs eventually. While any OS is a choice you make, it would behoove people to understand the process and method rather than simply bad-talk the intent.

And if you don't care to learn at all, here's the readers digest version: DRM allows vendors to sell data. NGSCB allows the OS to verify that data as unmodified and owned by you (amongst other things, obviously). If you don't want them on your system, that's perfectly fine, and the OS will still work. However you miss the opportunity to get any vendor supplied products or applications that require those.

Do you honestly think that Linux won't have this? Of course it will. But it's opt-in no matter what platform. Statements like "If Microsoft implements DRM I won't buy it" are basically ignorant of the overall deliverables the product makes available to you.

If you want to think about it another way: It's not removing anything, it's adding and securing. And anything I said here is basically subjective until the first OS to provide this comes out the door with a product...
#3.4 nowimnothing on 22 Oct 2003 - 16:09
That was a good summary SomeDork, hopefully people actually read it
(4 replies) #4 oo420oo on 22 Oct 2003 - 02:53
No one can design an OS that is invunerable.
#4.1 jasondefaoite on 22 Oct 2003 - 03:09
Ya, even the Architect couldnt make the Matrix secure
#4.2 SariN on 22 Oct 2003 - 03:31
lol
#4.3 werejag on 22 Oct 2003 - 05:00
neo choose the source....
#4.4 Wiser87 on 22 Oct 2003 - 05:58
Use the source luke (or in this case, neo)
(5 replies) #5 xp1ode on 22 Oct 2003 - 03:09
post #3 i couldnt have said it better myself. Anyways lets see how it turns out in the next three years.
#5.1 sodapop on 22 Oct 2003 - 03:22
2000 was and is the best imo, The stability of XP without the bloat.
#5.2 Skyfrog on 22 Oct 2003 - 03:47
I don't really think of XP as bloated myself. The features that people complain about take up very little disk space, and with 100-300GB hard drives becoming more affordable it shouldn't even be an issue. At one time people said Windows 95 was bloatware because it was using up their giant 2GB hard drives. As computer hardware advances, shouldn't the software advance as well? Oh, and the visual styles shouldn't count as bloat either since they can be turned off.

I used 2000 for a long time and it's definately a great OS, but in my experience XP has been just a bit faster and more stable.
#5.3 nowimnothing on 22 Oct 2003 - 04:17
XP has always run just as fast as 2000 on my machine, and it seems to just have a little extra "kick" to it that makes it a bit smoother. Aside from that, they seem roughly the same. Never had stability problems with it either... of course, i never had problems on 2000... sometimes i have to read Neowin to be reminded that people actually have problems with these OSs....
#5.4 Octol on 22 Oct 2003 - 05:00
As best as I can tell, the term "bloat" as it is used most commonly on Neowin appears to include any functionality in excess of that needed to download .mp3s and streaming pornos.

This is the concept of, "If I don't want it or need it, it must be totally useless. It is therefore 'bloat' and should be removed immediately."
#5.5 SomeDork on 22 Oct 2003 - 07:34
Exactly. Bloat on a MS product is the "total product" whereas Linux distros are never considered bloaty and come with 4 CDs...
#6 abysal on 22 Oct 2003 - 04:09
"Longhorn will include technology for building a new generation of "smart client" software that combines the look and feel of PC apps like Word or Excel with immediate access to information off the Web." "Instead of this disconnected state between your applications, you're counting on connectivity,"

Doesn't sound bad, except that now you'll have to worry of vunerabilities with word or excel. And as some of you have pointed out that Windows is the most hacked/ probed OS out there... I think that MS will really have to do alot more to make the next OS and it's web integrations more secure. But I'll wait and see on the outcome.
#7 JohnsonBox on 22 Oct 2003 - 04:20

(1) It is easier to attack than to defend. If Longhorn is unwrapped, there will be more chances for hackers to commit what they feel comfortable.
(2) So we encounter a paradox -- disclosing codes or withholding codes, both of them cannot escape from being condemned.
(3) Still, OS is striding to advance ...
#8 hardgiant on 22 Oct 2003 - 04:22
Windows XP was M$ first launch of the NT platform for consumers and the end of the 9x code. It is definitly a improvement over 98/me.

I have no idea if Longhorn will be good or a complete nightmare filled with DRM badness.
(5 replies) #9 slapnuts_ox on 22 Oct 2003 - 07:25
yet again more MS bull**it. I switched to linux almost 1 year ago and have never looked back.
#9.1 SomeDork on 22 Oct 2003 - 07:36
...yet you look back at this website?
#9.2 KCKitsune on 22 Oct 2003 - 11:28
just because someone comes here doesn't mean that they want to go back to windows. I personally come here a lot just to get news from the Windows side of the Computing world (just like I go to linuxtoday.com for the Linux side)
#9.3 JaggedFlame on 22 Oct 2003 - 13:09
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yet again more MS bull**it. I switched to linux almost 1 year ago and have never looked back.


Is this the part where people are supposed to give a crap?
#9.4 Chicane-UK on 22 Oct 2003 - 18:09
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just because someone comes here doesn't mean that they want to go back to windows. I personally come here a lot just to get news from the Windows side of the Computing world (just like I go to linuxtoday.com for the Linux side)

aye... plenty of mac news & help available here as well
#9.5 apa1exakis on 24 Oct 2003 - 16:01
Yes. Well he's looking back on Microsoft here. This is a longhorn post. Let me show you... Longhorn = Microsoft Only Product. See. Hey you just looked back at MS again.

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