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Intel's Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in price hell

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 06 November 2003 - 10:32 · 33 comments & 1569 views

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DELL APPEARS to be charging through the nose for the Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition – or it will be when it starts shipping the boxes that use it. A reader notices that if you use the Dell online site to configure two PCs identically, one with a 3.20GHz Pentium 4 and the other with a 3.2GHz Pentium 4 EE, the one with the newer chip costs a staggering $1,400 more.

Intel's list price for the Pentium 4EE is around $920 when you buy 1000 of them, but we suspect that Dell gets a considerable discount seeing as it's Chipzilla's biggest distributor. The reader notes: "If the Pentium 4EE cost $925 in lots of 1000's, and Dell gets highly subsidised on Intel's processors, why the $1400? At most it should be $925 more and Dell would make the same margin it made on the other system".

Of course, Dell can charge what it likes and you can pay the firm as much as you want, but it might be worth considering whether the marketing buzz associated with the Extreme Edition is worth the extra $500, mightn't it? Have you been extremeditioned?

News source: The Inq


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#1 Jasco on 06 Nov 2003 - 10:40
#2 Jugalator on 06 Nov 2003 - 10:48
Soon, I can imagine Dr. Evil starting to demand P4 EE processors instead of "one hundred billion dollars". Uses less space.
#3 Zeni on 06 Nov 2003 - 11:05
Jesus Christ, I dunno what demographic Dell is targeting with this PC, anyone aware of what the chip is capable of should be intelligent enough to put one together themselves, or at least know someone who is, rather than spend more than necessary to get a prebuilt machine, especially a Dell.

"We're Dell, people have money, people are stupid, this chip is new, people like new things, meeting adjourned" ?
(1 reply) #4 RaWShadow on 06 Nov 2003 - 11:50
$1400 for some extra cache!!!!
#4.1 ALUOp on 07 Nov 2003 - 03:11
Haha....
You're right.
You pay cash to get cache!!
(3 replies) #5 VikingStorm on 06 Nov 2003 - 12:09
For the same $3200, you could buy an Overclocked Athlon64FX-51 (2.8ghz) System from nVENTIV that totally obliterates everything else.
#5.1 toadeater on 07 Nov 2003 - 00:00
Dell and Intel too lazy and greedy like Nvidia. The gap between Intel and AMD seems to be even bigger than between ATI and Nvidia. AMD releases a new chip, Intel just adds on cache and has nothing to counter it with. Keep in mind that the AMD has the FX-53 and FX-57 coming out soon. Intel needs to rush those Itanium IIs out or something. Maybe developers might even jump to 64bit sooner now too.
#5.2 DrunkenMaster on 07 Nov 2003 - 03:53
Might be but really AMD/Intel or NVidia/ATI are only faster between major product cycles which for ATI/Nvidia is 6 to 8 months and Intel/AMD ever 2-3 years.

With the Prescott coming out soon, I'd bet AMD will bite the bullet. There's no major advantage for AMD right now until more 64-bit native apps for AMD64 are out.
#5.3 kronix2 on 07 Nov 2003 - 15:10
According to Intel, the Prescott will be slower than the P4EE at launch.
#6 pika515usa on 06 Nov 2003 - 12:45
Sorry, I'm going to stick with the regular P4s until I have a valid reason to spend half of my fortune on a CPU.
#7 idoia on 06 Nov 2003 - 13:43
if you look at the other side youre buying practically Xeon
#8 Galley on 06 Nov 2003 - 14:50
Does that come with a jar of Vaseline?
(1 reply) #9 krzystealth on 06 Nov 2003 - 15:11
Just wait a year, they'll be under $200 for faster chips anyway. That is *if* they even make it that long.
#9.1 Arbadacarba on 06 Nov 2003 - 15:34
One small question... Was the price of the EE 925 or is the difference between the regular and the EE 925... If the former is the case then dell is maring up even more than the article says.
(1 reply) #10 MitchShrader on 06 Nov 2003 - 15:55
they don't WANT to sell them? hmm. that's what that price looks like to me. just create a buzz and get some benchmarks. a holding action.. (Joe, run off a batch of superfast chips and we'll price em high enough nobody will buy em and steal the headlines!) uh, just to make a point? i built a comp this week.. gf3 128meg (94$) gig ddr 2700 (160$) NForce2 OEM board (69$) Case w. 400w ps (47$), dvd burner (105$), cd rw dvdrom (50$) 2 x 120g drives (214$) cables, fans, floppy (57$) AMD 2600 @ 2.2 gig (94$) total cost: $890 ..

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#10.1 Q25 on 06 Nov 2003 - 16:28
I think you're on to something.. Intel might in fact not be too eager to sell those EE CPU's.
Mainly they probably just want something to show off when benchmarks are requested.
#11 Kashida on 06 Nov 2003 - 17:23
I'd wait...they are supposed to bolster the cache on the 2.4-3.2C's to 1mb.
#12 ~Greeno~ on 06 Nov 2003 - 17:30
2.4C is dead now, they killed it the other sunday, 2.6C is its price now in the IT trade
(1 reply) #13 jsuen on 06 Nov 2003 - 17:33
Intel never gives discounts that aren't public, unlike AMD. This was due to a anti-trust suit a couple years back. Just another example of the Inquirer not knowing what they're talking about.
#13.1 macrosslover on 06 Nov 2003 - 18:25
that might be true, but i can also believe that Dell does get some kickbacks from Intel. how they just refuse to try AMD, even when they had a better chip now and they will now try to charge the costumer this much for a system when they could get an equal performing AMD system for cheaper.
(1 reply) #14 Grappa on 06 Nov 2003 - 18:00
I think they misnamed it... it's obviously the Pentium IV Expensive Edition


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#14.1 ALUOp on 07 Nov 2003 - 03:15
I thought it was P4 Extremely Expensive
#15 FoSsiL on 06 Nov 2003 - 18:09
haha! this chip will bankrupt you.
(1 reply) #16 csabo2 on 06 Nov 2003 - 19:39
Hmm, why not just get dual xeons, OR buy another PC with that 1400$.. "Dude! your getting ripped off !! "
#16.1 Coolme on 06 Nov 2003 - 20:03
QUOTE
dual xeons
I totally agree.
#17 Skyfrog on 06 Nov 2003 - 23:18
That's insane; if I were going to spend that kind of money I think I'd buy one of those shiny Mac G5 computers and OSX. I'm not though, so I'll stick with my current PC and maybe get one of these in a few years.
#18 csabo2 on 07 Nov 2003 - 00:16
Heh in a few years these will be as big of a waste as they are now :p
#19 h4x0r b4k3r on 07 Nov 2003 - 00:39
heh, i wanna see toms hardware through one of these on a grill and not feel guilty about it!
#20 jpcahn on 07 Nov 2003 - 00:45
If Dell wants to sell one of these systems to me they have to go through my friend Heywood first. Heywood Jablowmi that is!!!
#21 gren99 on 07 Nov 2003 - 01:24
hey, if it's $1400 it's gone down $100 since i liast priced one of their XPS systems with a P4 EE.

i kitted out a PC with every bell and whistle i could think of on dell's website (500 gb in 2 HDs, 2 monitors, a radeon 9800 XT, a few other things) and the cost came out to an eyepopping $6800. if you feel like kitting out a rather monsterous dual proc xeon 3.2 ghz (same chip as the EE, no?) and hang all the bells and whistles on it, you pay about the same...except you got a dualie versus one over-reved single proc processor.

if they could chop the cost of the EE down to a $2-300 markup, it might be a sweet deal to some, but for $1500, you could get a pretty nice spare PC (like, f.e. a XP media center PC. dell has a few floating in the $1500 bracket) which whould be a heck of a better deal than a P4 that's likely no more than 10% faster than the regular P4
#22 aristotle-dude on 07 Nov 2003 - 02:14
Faster chips for 200 bucks? When? Intel is having major production problems. If you want X86, go to AMD. You are not going to see significantly faster Intel chips for some time. Tejas has been delayed until 2005. Sorry to break it to you.

No wonder MS is going IBM PPC for the XBOX 2.
#23 kronix2 on 07 Nov 2003 - 15:15
Intel doesn't want to sell P4EEs. They're making *huge* losses on the chips, since they are simply Xeons in a P4 box. I'm guessing Intel told Dell to ramp up the prices as high as they could so as few people as possible would buy them.

The Pentium 4 EE was not supposed to be a retail processor - it was just a knee-jerk reaction to the FX-51, in order to prevent AMD from being able to say they had the fastest desktop processor.

Buying a P4EE is like buying an Apple. You can get an equivalent AMD system for a lot less, and for the same money you can build an AMD system that owns every single benchmark.
#24 b0zm4g on 09 Nov 2003 - 12:54
Wish this P4EE was cheaper

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