MS Releases Virtual PC 2004 to Manufacturing
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#1 Posted by slapnuts_ox on 10 Nov 2003 - 16:30
- Microsoft rearchitected Virtual PC and conducted rigorous testing to ensure that the product meets Microsoft's security and reliability standards.
Ha i find that statement very funny. I trust secure linux for my security. -
#1.1 Posted by SomeDork on 10 Nov 2003 - 16:54
- Computers aren't religion, you shouldn't "trust" or have "faith" in any operating system. I can make Linux just as insecure as I can make it secure, just by knowing how to use it. Obviously you know nothing about Windows to make it secure, so you should stick with linux... I could recommend a trs-80 or c64 as an alternative choice for you though, they're pretty easy to learn.
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#1.2 Posted by LPC on 10 Nov 2003 - 17:45
- You got to love 'secure linux' ... not and more megga not.
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#1.3 Posted by AdamField on 10 Nov 2003 - 17:54
- Ive been using the RTM product for a week and its actually quite good
Certainly improved over the old connectix 5.2 product -
#1.4 Posted by dismuter on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:08
- AdamField: Are you sure it was RTM? Because it has just been announced so that seems kind of weird. Besides there was a version that was on the net, but it was a beta or RC, not the final IIRC.
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#1.5 Posted by g33kb0y on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:24
QUOTE QUOTE (#1.1)Computers aren't religion, you shouldn't "trust" or have "faith" in any operating system. I can make Linux just as insecure as I can make it secure, just by knowing how to use it. Obviously you know nothing about Windows to make it secure, so you should stick with linux...
My thoughts exactly.
I am definitely going to keep a tight-watch on this one. We're already utilizing VMWare's ESX 1.5.2 and 2.0 server systems (No GSX or Workstations ATM). I am looking forward to testing out Microsoft's versions to compare.
Perhaps my company will allow me to play with Microsoft's workstation offerings when they come out to tithe me over until they release the server virtualization software.-
#1.6 Posted by SomeDork on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:36
- Currently my company uses VMWare GSX... I'm curious if this can compare. I doubt it. However I've encouraged MS to make the Virtual PC a bonus offering to the MCP program and/or a free offering in a technet subscription. I think it has huge potential.
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#1.7 Posted by slapnuts_ox on 10 Nov 2003 - 21:46
- "Obviously you know nothing about Windows to make it secure, so you should stick with linux... I could recommend a trs-80 or c64 as an alternative choice for you though, they're pretty easy to learn."
Obviously you know nothing about linux then. I used windows for years and got sick and tired of all the problems that came with it such as virus's and worms and simply having my PC crash. In kernel 2.6.0 the NSA security features are now part of the kernel and it makes linux much more secure then windows is. Im not saying linux is a religion or anything. Just make sure you don't make assumptions about people you know nothing about. Also even without the extra security turned on linux still has fewer virus's and is more secure. -
#1.8 Posted by SomeDork on 11 Nov 2003 - 00:40
- I can prevent viruses and worms without any 3rd party programs on Windows and Linux platforms. If you can't, well... do you still think you know everything about Windows?
NSA security only is site wide, not OS wide... so I don't care how many certifications, credentials, hacker-proven tests you can run on the kernel (cough and only the kernel cough) of Linux, if you're an idiot operator, it still sucks. Clearly it hasn't happened to you yet in Linux, so I proclaim you smarter with Linux. Bravo.
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#2 Posted by UnaBonger on 10 Nov 2003 - 16:41
- When is the server version of this going to be out?
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#2.2 Posted by JHAres on 10 Nov 2003 - 22:15
- It's in beta since months ago... I'm in the beta...
Not RTM date yet...
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#2.3 Posted by AdamField on 11 Nov 2003 - 10:34
- You're not in the beta as it doesnt start until this month
The current program is a customer preview and the software is pre beta -
#2.4 Posted by JHAres on 12 Nov 2003 - 03:44
QUOTE (#2.3)You're not in the beta as it doesnt start until this month
The current program is a customer preview and the software is pre beta
Errrm.... well, the program is named "Customer Preview" as you said, you are right there, but is managed by the beta people and beta guidelines...
BTW, a "Customer Preview" before a beta stage...??? That has not sense to me...
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#3 Posted by bryce_56 on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:27
- I read a rumor that you could install Mac os on the new 2004 version...What does everyone think.
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#3.1 Posted by g33kb0y on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:28
- If that's true, then they've surpassed VMWare's current abilities. I can't wait to find out.
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#3.3 Posted by memodude on 10 Nov 2003 - 19:47
- I believe not. Actually, I think it only can run Windows now; no Linux.
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#3.4 Posted by roadwarrior on 10 Nov 2003 - 21:42
- I'm pretty sure this rumor started because of the terribly worded press release about this a few days ago, which seemed to imply at least one of the following:
1. that you could run Mac OS on Windows
or
2. that Virtual PC would allow you to run Windows on Linux
Neither of which, of course, is true.
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#4 Posted by jdrozd on 10 Nov 2003 - 18:51
- Anybody know when it's gonna be on MSDN to download?
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#5 Posted by NeoSigma on 10 Nov 2003 - 19:24
- Anybody know what the final build number is?
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#6 Posted by bush on 10 Nov 2003 - 21:22
- nobody knows anything
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#7 Posted by Proteus8898 on 11 Nov 2003 - 09:59
- I know somthing, but Im not telling.
"Our enterprise customers have told us that virtual machine technologies are crucial for their migration needs," said Rob Short, corporate vice president in the Windows division at Microsoft. "Microsoft Virtual PC allows those customers to benefit from the gains in reliability, security and productivity of Windows XP, while also being able to run their critical legacy applications."
Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 marks Microsoft's entry into the Windows-based virtual machine arena. The product is built on virtualization technology that Microsoft acquired in February 2003 from Connectix Corp., a company at the forefront of virtual machine development since 1988. Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 reflects Microsoft's commitment to develop innovative software virtualization solutions for the Windows operating system platform based on Connectix products and technologies. Since the Connectix acquisition, Microsoft rearchitected Virtual PC and conducted rigorous testing to ensure that the product meets Microsoft's security and reliability standards.
By using XML, Simple Object Access Protocol and Web Services Description Language, WS-Security related specifications are designed to be used together to provide a rich, secure web services environment.
But Gartner warns that the key security specification, WS-Security, which protects the confidentiality of a message and is backed by the Organisation for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards, will not provide a complete security solution for complex web services, where transactions cross organisational boundaries.
"WS-Security establishes a model that brings together formerly incompatible security technologies, such as public key infrastructure, XML Digital Signature and XML Encryption," said the report's author, Jess Thompson.
"Although WS-Security is the security cornerstone, it is only the beginning and must be extended with additional specifications that deal with policy, trust and privacy issues."
Mike Thompson, principal research analyst for the Butler Group, agreed with the Gartner view, but said standards will take 18 months, rather than three years, to mature.
He told vnunet.com that "in the first flush of enthusiasm" Butler had told firms not to take the proprietary route. But with security standards not expected to be agreed within the next 18 months, the analyst firm's view had changed.
"Now we are advising to go for the vendor approach as companies can't wait that long, but to get assurances that there will be some interoperability with open standards," he said.
Marc Chanliau, director of XML technologies at security firm Netegrity, said: "Why rely on vendor-provided technology that may not comply with standards to provide security if there are enough standards widely embraced by the industry?"
But Gartner's Thompson countered: "Although there are standards to secure the message, there are no mature standards for the security of the interfaces when different components talk to each other."
Gartner advises businesses to investigate the use of WS specifications when they are embarking on a strategic direction, to expose functionality to a large number of business partners as web services.
Also, if they are implementing complex, multi-party web services, they must have the IT expertise to implement the appropriate security, and work with trading partners capable of using the same security technologies.
To implement security today, Gartner recommends that companies implement simple point-to-point web services that can be secured using mature technologies like secure sockets layer and digital certificates.
It added that they should expose those web services to only a small number trading partners and consider making large groups of transactions using proven, secure batch technologies.