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Sun's low-cost strategy prompts free Java release

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 14 November 2003 - 16:14 · 17 comments & 899 views

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Sun is set to release a free version of its Java application server, as part of a drive to encourage users to move away from Microsoft. Sun Microsystems will release a free version of its Java application server next week, a move designed to encourage more developers to build programs on the software foundation.

Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president of Sun's software unit, told reporters on Thursday that is ready to deliver Java System Application Server 8, the first server software to comply with version 1.4 of Java 2 Enterprise Edition (J2EE). That compatibility with the update of Sun's Java software is meant to make it easier for developers to create applications that work with Web services standards.

Previously, Sun charged $2,000 per processor for the application server, which is used to run custom-written Java applications. It will continue to levy an extra charge for add-ons, such as administration and fail-over features.

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(2 replies) #1 Mr. Black on 14 Nov 2003 - 17:20
If I was a developer, I wouldn't even be looking at Microsoft's .NET, which Sun feels is a big threat to them. The reason I wouldn't care about .NET for one is that Java runs on practically every OS, and Handsets, etc. .NET is Windows-only. -- So my app ports to ANY platform that has a JRE installed.

However, for the news, good for Sun.
#1.1 divertom15 on 14 Nov 2003 - 19:52
oh it doesnt really port i just runs and i think you forgot to mention a BIG factor that any perticular porgram when run on another os or another hadware functions the exact same way on all the os's or hardware

The only setback for this is interaction with the hardware so java is not really hardware "aware" to be able to run on so many platforms
so if a dev is trying to write a program that really interacts with the hardware say like a disk checking app then he may be forced to write it in another language like c++ or .net
#1.2 JaggedFlame on 14 Nov 2003 - 21:56
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If I was a developer, I wouldn't even be looking at Microsoft's .NET, which Sun feels is a big threat to them.


If you were a developer, you'd be an idiot for assuming systems don't work for you before you know your situation.
#2 VikingStorm on 14 Nov 2003 - 17:38
A bit late, but it's here.
#3 Mister Lamar on 14 Nov 2003 - 17:53
ERRRR, Ill use microsoft anyday
#4 thexfile on 14 Nov 2003 - 18:47
Sun is giving up profit?
This sounds like a move of desperation.
(1 reply) #5 BigBoy on 14 Nov 2003 - 18:58
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Sun is giving up profit?
This sounds like a move of desperation.


Yup, I'd agree. It's not like they have so much profit that they can take giving some away...
#5.1 VikingStorm on 14 Nov 2003 - 19:22
Then again, both .NET and J2EE aren't really that big of sellers yet. Sun's profits come mainly from their SPARC server sales.
#6 sodapop on 14 Nov 2003 - 23:15
Good move by SUN. Hit em while they're down
(3 replies) #7 warr on 15 Nov 2003 - 03:37
.net is Microsoft's reinvention of java platform.

just like their sh!t box is that of the PS2.


Look back. This is how Microsoft innovate.

Developers, hmmm, u want good or bad news. ok the bad: you got more things to learn, J2EE, now got an additional: .NOT.

Just go to learn much more, and don't get even paid higher. this is IT, all fcked up with lots of redundent stuff, and thse bosses expect u to know everything.
#7.1 JaggedFlame on 15 Nov 2003 - 14:55
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.net is Microsoft's reinvention of java platform.


Yeah, that's why my company is able to do so much more with it, dumbass.

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Developers, hmmm, u want good or bad news. ok the bad: you got more things to learn, J2EE, now got an additional: .NOT.


Look, buddy, when you sign up to become a developer, you're supposed to be able to adapt to change. Do you think COBOL programmers have it made now? Their skills years ago can carry them through decades? You have to be a f*cking retard if you learn something and expect that it's going to carry you through your IT career. The tech sector was never that simple, and you'd have to be pretty naive to be a developer and think otherwise.
#7.2 Zatko55 on 16 Nov 2003 - 01:06
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Yeah, that's why my company is able to do so much more with it, dumbass.


It would be nice if you would explain your comment instead of throwing out 'blanket' statements and calling people names. So much more means absolutely nothing to anyone but yourself.

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Look, buddy, when you sign up to become a developer, you're supposed to be able to adapt to change. Do you think COBOL programmers have it made now? Their skills years ago can carry them through decades? You have to be a f*cking retard if you learn something and expect that it's going to carry you through your IT career. The tech sector was never that simple, and you'd have to be pretty naive to be a developer and think otherwise.



There must be alot of f*ckin retards. 3/4 of the programmers where I work are COBOL programmers who have had their jobs for 20 to 30 years. So.... yes? I, for one, keep myself riding the crest of the wave and am constantly reading and researching as my paycheck will reflect it, but really, you're comment is wrong from where I am standing. Java and .NET are smaller than a drop in a bucket compared to all the COBOL/CICS code out there. As I see it, Java is the next COBOL (as longevity and breadth of a platform).
#7.3 JaggedFlame on 16 Nov 2003 - 05:14
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It would be nice if you would explain your comment instead of throwing out 'blanket' statements and calling people names. So much more means absolutely nothing to anyone but yourself.


Hey, you don't have to take my word for it. Go out there. Look at comments on discussion boards. I'm not the only one deriving something from .NET. Are you telling me all those people are lying?

And by the way, it would not be "nice" if I would explain my comment. It would not be good enough for you. You've made up your mind about me, so piss off instead of pretending you care.

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There must be alot of f*ckin retards. 3/4 of the programmers where I work are COBOL programmers who have had their jobs for 20 to 30 years. So.... yes? I, for one, keep myself riding the crest of the wave and am constantly reading and researching as my paycheck will reflect it, but really, you're comment is wrong from where I am standing. Java and .NET are smaller than a drop in a bucket compared to all the COBOL/CICS code out there. As I see it, Java is the next COBOL (as longevity and breadth of a platform).


If you say so. My uncle is a COBOL programmer and he's out of a job because not many people want COBOL programmers anymore. Yeah, maybe in your workplace. Try getting another job with that kinda thing. It might happen, but it's definitely not something you can depend on.

The point being that this field is dynamic. You can't be scared to learn new technologies. You can't be resentful of it. This is a dynamic industry, and if you're not dynamic, you get left behind.
(2 replies) #8 SomeDork on 15 Nov 2003 - 20:46
Despite my lack of knowledge in .NET and Java, I have only one comment to this.

You have to thank Microsoft for this. Without .NET, Sun would have continued to perform so-called "Microsoft-esque" tactics of high priced exclusivity software.

Competition is always good for the market. In effect, Sun is now cutting the price to the actual cost of the product, instead of capitalizing on a lack of competition.
#8.1 Zatko55 on 16 Nov 2003 - 01:48
Since, you admit you don't know alot about the two platforms I'll kindly explain why you're statement is incorrect.

J2EE is a HUGE market and has a ton of competition. J2EE is a specification, not a product. J2EE specs are formed through Sun and the JCP which consists of vendors and open source. When a J2EE spec is released, vendors release their application servers into the market that support it.

Here is a list of application servers you have to choose from when you enter the J2EE world:

J2EE Server Matrix

Here is the other deal. If you adhere to the J2EE specification for your projects (not use any vendor proprietary features), you have complete portability to any app server, which means no vendor lockin. It would almost be impossible for Sun to capatilize in any Microsoft-esque tactics as they have basically created a pretty fair market. (I think Sun's app server only has 8% of the market)

Sun receives payments for licensee's of the platform, so they make some form of cash off of every app server out there that proclaims J2EE compliance. But this is obvious, Sun puts alot of money into this.

Sun's own app server is lagging in market percentage whereas WebSphere and WebLogic command large shares (i think around a quarter each), so, Sun is more competing with them, and the likes of JBoss which is open source.

I would like to see an OS market built like this. Imagine if microsoft released a windows specification in which many vendors could use to create their own competing OSes that are all compatible? We would have some kick ass desktops laying before us right now. (The linux model is somewhat simliar, but quite different too)

Anyway, this wasn't a flame, just some insight.
#8.2 SomeDork on 16 Nov 2003 - 06:18
Good information... thanks.
#9 Zatko55 on 16 Nov 2003 - 05:38

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