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5x.xx? Nah..I skip

quote: "Despite this, these drivers are safe to install and use."
looool, i don't think any of nvidia's drivers are safe to install, remember the 52.16 [SIZE=7]WHQL[SIZE=7] blue screens of death ????????

I dont know why you guys keep on posting this ****ty crap! its a complete TRASH!!

Its unbelieve how my fps dropped from 100(28.31) to 5fps(5x.x playing cs [i have a gf4 ti4800]

I wish NVIDIA would stop lieing abt the performace gain coz its only for GF FX USERS + its all software tweaks! ~ wheres the hardware performance we pay so much $_$ for??

As fas as im concerned det 4x.xx & above cant be trusted!! early 4x.xx are full of bugs then it came the 43.51 cheats...you know the rest of the story [i've also noticed a IQ decrease from 4x.xx & above - i saw it from warp2search.net i think. It said the new drivers no long use trilinear filtering but binlinear which is total rubbish!!

I feel sorry for all those that brought the GF FX series coz all they getting are software-tweak based graphic cards. (let me make a point here NVIDIA if you are listening. You always say how your drivers are no.1 in industry! SO WHAT!?!?
ATi can do the same and tweak their drivers to the extreme but is that what graphic cards is about? software tweaking?? - wtf lets just all buy a cheap 32mb riva tnt2 for $5 and tweak tweak tweak YES i get 100fps on every game now how kewl it that?

ATi is the future! Yes i can see it, MICROSOFT(being smart like they always do) can also see it. ATi chip for XBOX 2 is the first step of moving forward instead of being dragged back when it first started(software mode). [another great example of the doom day to come for nvidia is ASUS's shift to ATi. Im sure there are many others to follow! Theres a rumor that Leadtek is about to do the same also *haha*

It's too late NVIDIA!! consumer will continue to shift like what is happening right this moment on the markets. Unless you can pull a Houdini and actually start to produce quality hardware products you will just end up like vodoo!! [only you can change your destiny . only you can decide your fate]

I highly recomend ATi to those who is looking for a upgrade/new pc/new vid card...etc
You really get what you are paying your hard earned money $_$ for!!!!!!!

*hint: get 9600pro and above (do not get 9600 non-pro)
9500pro is also a very good choice for vaule

I have much more to say maybe next time NVIDIA next time LOL

I apoligise for the spam but i was getting sick of NVIDIA's loads of bs

Kenni, all you've said in previous post is bullsh|t! I felt some performance improvement, with to quality loss. Don't know why you guys believe this SH|T! It's just a rumor ATi guys spread.

Long live Hercules Chips! < / SARCASM>

Kenni Chen is actually correct in my opinion. Nvidia is dust, and I am saying this as someone who has used nvidia since the first TNT. It seems with every driver release, the older cards receive less frames, and less quality. 52.16 only introduced more bugs. I mean, what sort of screwed up whql driver resets the icons to default upon every reboot? (FX owners this does not happen to you) I think Microsoft should set the standards higher to give these pricks whql status. For a geforce 4 owner, the buck stopped at the 30.xx detonators. I am disgusted and will never purchase another Nvidia product. Drown you *******s, drown.

Never had any problems with the 4x.xx and 5x.xx series and I'm using a Geforce 4 MX 440. You guys must be smoking crack or something.

YES. i can use custom icons no problem as well... and for the record if you "rename" your icons as you say that youi have, that is your problem right there... as when you rename them you are changing the path to them and yes windows will not see them as the path has been changed, so that is your issue if you are indded renaming them...if you rename them you must change the path in the properties tab... try changing the name of the folder your icons are in and youll see them all magically disappear like that...

and WOW ati has really done their brainwashing propaganda job really well these days... i have a 5900 and i have never had problems with it at all. in fact i am using the beta 52.70 drivers released last week and i am extremely happy with them... people complain about nvidia driver's having this issue and that issue, well have you ever took the time to look at the release notes on ati's drivers as well??? they also have many issues as well, but for some reason people only post and complain about nvidia's drivers... see i can say this becasue i have two comps, and one has a nvidia and one has an ati card, granted its an older 9700 pro, but i am on both sides of the fence. and yes some nvidia drivers have given certain people problems, i myself have had problems with the latest nForce drivers released by nvidia, but in all fairness i have also had problems with the latest 4.0 eax drivers relased by creative... and in neowins very own drivers drive-in i have also definitely seen the latest catalyst drivers give people problems as welland yes maybe in certain benchmark tests ati will get more FPS than nvidia, but does anyone also know that the human eye really cant process over 30 frames per second anyway? im willing to bet that 75% of the ati lovers out there, if you switched their graphics card in their comp and they did not have any benchmark apps, they would not even know the difference... but yet they join in the propoganda and bash nvidia... and the whole x-box and direct x argument, yes it was bad business on nvidia's end, this is a proven fact, but its not the end of nvidia by any means...
... ahh the grass is always greener isnt it?

so?? does the icon bug remain
using 45.33 atm would like to change to 53.03

i couldnt get xp to start up after installing these, 52.16s are alot better.

No icons buggy thing, no choppiness in games, runs very smooth and fast for me and same benchies.

I installed on top of older ones via device manager.

Using GeForce 4 TI 4400 and 52.16 drivers No problems. Have seen some strange things with drivers over the years but have NEVER seen a video driver set all my icons back to defaults. All the Icons I have changed are still changed even after several re-boots. The problem Cardinal is having is has to be user error and not a driver bug!

I have a nVidia Quadro4 750. I use to have a GeForce3 Ti500 before and the only problem I even had with either of them was VIA's incompatibiliy with nVidia. After three months I finally found out VIA had no clue how to drive AGP cards from almost any video card maker back in the day of their 133mhz chipsets. Other then that I have had no problem with my nVidia cards or the drivers.
But I must admit also that I am using the last Detonator drivers available. They work fine and plus all the games I play are maxed out so there is no reason for me to change a driver that works fine.

The issue with the newer nVidia cards is not the drivers generally but more it's architecture. It has very weak PS 2.0 performance crippleing it in games such as the upcomming Half-life 2, which is probably the primary concern of people who are aobut to choose between ATi and nVidia.

Another issue is the fact that nVidia did not follow the DX9 specs and made the PS FP precision 16 / 32 bit versus the default 24 used by ATi. This means that nVidia cards either render a DX9 image with lower quality (16bit) or with a great performace loss for no image quality gain (32 bit - no IQ gain because DX9 specs specify 24bit and this is used by most games although there are some requesting FP 16 or even INT 12). Also the GF FX architecture is unfortunately based on a 4*2 pipeline system instead of ATi's 8*1 casuing lower performance in some cases.

The first cheating drivers used a mixture of FP16/INT12 causing severe IQ loss in the only real DX9 benchmark out there at the time (3DMark03)

The next cheat had some clipping prewritten in the driver code for 3DMark03, inflating the performance of the nVidia FX cards.

As for the Trilinear not being present: you might not notice it at first look, yet why degrade performance and bench it against another one? Don't you think that the other one would perform better too with bilinear? - Food for Thought

As a small conclusion for this: If you want an awesome DX8 card, for games such as CoD, MP2, or similar, both are great, and the GFFXs have some very neat features that I miss on ATi cards, such as Digital Vibrence.

BUT

If you want a future proof card, completely overwhelming the opposing one in upcomming games such as HL2, than what you should look into is getting an ATi 9600Pro and up.

Feel free to comment on this, and please keep the thread clean of fanboyism.

I am laughing so hard inside. You like what you like, have already made up your mind and that's fine. Whatever your choice, leave it at that. Other peoples opinions are not there for you to change by force! Hahaha, sillyness

so ? it doesnt stop people from posting their opinion. no one here is thriving to make other people change their minds.

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I am laughing so hard inside. You like what you like, have already made up your mind and that's fine. Whatever your choice, leave it at that. Other peoples opinions are not there for you to change by force! Hahaha, sillyness

I don;t see how this adds to the thread...

Read my previous comment and you will see. Would love to see some facts about the 2 lineup of cards comeing from you, and I will certainly stop arguing. But all I saw was you comming in here making fun of an argument and feel satisfyed about your "opinion". Well done (if I was standing next to you, I would be patting your shoulder!)

I use Nvidia cards cause they're cheaper for adequate performance, usually. Not always the fastest frame rates at the top end (the last 2 years), but *usually* fastest at the low to midrange cards.. and because there's Lots of older versions, with careful shopping I can get a better 50-100$ card than with ATI. *IF* i wanted a 200-400$ card i'd buy ATI. (Gaming or Graphics production) Same reason I like lunix, AMD, and generic unmodded cases.. to me, money matters more'n instant gratification or bragging rights. And runnin the latest whql drivers on gf4 4200 128meg works just Fine..

I agree the 4200 is unmatched in it's price category, it is a pitty though that ever since the 4200, nVidia couldn't produce a single product that matches it's ATi counterpart!