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Microsoft to Junk Flagship Products, Cites Java Settlement

malebolgia   on 08 December 2003 - 02:34 · 22 comments & 1467 views

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Microsoft will phase out a slew of products as of December 15, citing its 2001 legal settlement with Sun Microsystems over Java as the impetus. Among the products that Microsoft will no longer make available to customers through any of the Microsoft's sales channels are Windows 98, SQL Server 7 and a number of versions of Office 2000, according to a note from a Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) program manager posted to a public Microsoft newsgroup. It also appears some versions of NT 4.0 are also due to be phased out, but as the note is ambiguous on this point, it's impossible to tell which ones. The December 4 note, which is featured on the MSDN Public Newsgroup, was signed by Andy Boyd, MSDN Subscriber Downloads program manager.

Due to a settlement agreement reached in January 2001, the following products are being phased out and will no longer available to customers through MSDN Subscriber Downloads or other channels at Microsoft," according to Boyd's note. "These products will be removed from MSDN Subscriber Downloads as of December 15th, 2003." The products targeted for phase-out are those that embed Microsoft's Java Virtual Machine technology. Other products on the Dec. 15 phase-out list include: Office XP Developer and Office 2000 Developer editions; Office 20000 Premium Service Release 1; BackOffice Server 2000; Internet Security and Acceleration Server (ISA) 2000; Internet Explorer 5.5; and Visual Studio 6 Microsoft Developer Edition. One developer, who requested anonymity, noted that a number of products on the due-to-be-phased-out list are key for many companies.

News source: eWeek


What's New in This Release:

· + Import of Outlook Express address items (Windows Address Book)
· + IMAP Fine-Tune option to disable message flag refreshing each time a folder selected (to save time and bandwidth in case of single client and single user access)
· - 0001618 A dot character was added to the outgoing attached files without extension
· - 0001821 HTML-to-Plain routine was converting the title tagged text as a part of plain text content
· - A dot was always added to the name of an attached file without an extension
· - An extra attachment was created due to move attachments between folders when attachments were stored separately
· - Deletion settings were not used for purging from the Folder Maintenance Centre
· - IMAP messages were not refreshed when their flags were changed by a concurrent user
· - It was not possible to define a folder for alternative deletion if ordinary deletion was not using any non-Trash folder
· - PGP v7+ key server search loop (Beta)
· - Recipient addresses weren't imported from Outlook 2000.
· - Selected IMAP folder was not refreshed on new messages arrival
· - A lot of cosmetic bugs

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#1 dougkinzinger on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:44
Dang.....after I read this, I contacted my Microsoft lawyer friend. Sadly, since he's not involved with that case he really wasn't sure, but he said that the lawyers for that case most likely are doing this as a stunt to convince the public that it's really Sun's fault that Microsoft must end support for those products or other publicity-like reason.

If it does indeed come to those products being removed, with the exception of ISA Server 2000, most of the products are scheduled for normal Microsoft end-of-life support at the end of 2003 anyway.
#2 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:46
Wow, sux for Microsoft.

Oh well, hope to see what the IE 5 users think about that.

John

#3 vettimdorr on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:46
Oh no! My precious NT 4.0!!!!
(2 replies) #4 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:48
Yeah, you have a point dougkinzinger, they were going to be replaced anyways why not retire them a few months early.

John
#4.1 dougkinzinger on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:51
Totally. I like what the eWeek article says -- Microsoft can't touch the MSJVM after Sept. 2004, so that means they can't make a security fix for a product of theirs with the MSJVM still in it, so they must re-release it without the MSJVM, or they'll cut it off the support.
#4.2 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:52
yeah, it actually works out for MS instead of hurting them.

John
#5 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 02:48
LOL timdorr

John
#6 Mav Phoenix on 08 Dec 2003 - 03:41
No biggie.
(1 reply) #7 naap51stang on 08 Dec 2003 - 04:12
Yawn........
Guess that is one way to get people to buy Office 2003...... LOL

#7.1 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 04:13
yeah, lol.
#8 John_M on 08 Dec 2003 - 04:12
Yeah, nothing big about shuting down programs ahead of scheudle.

But Sun needs to realize that they are opening MS up to many new doors by taking all of this software with bugs, and wanting to copyright their code only. They will have to dish out alot of stuff to make up for time lost while MS perfected their design.

And since MS can't have this anymore, it lets them clear the way for more service twords other products.

John
(6 replies) #9 dougkinzinger on 08 Dec 2003 - 04:43
good point John.....hmm....it spurs thoughts in my brain!
#9.1 Octol on 08 Dec 2003 - 05:09
Just out of rank curiosity, why do you write all your posts in boldface type?
#9.2 sodapop on 08 Dec 2003 - 07:39
Same reason folk type in CAPS. To get attention.
#9.3 dougkinzinger on 08 Dec 2003 - 11:47
No, so that in case Neowin is ever in another magazine (like January 2003's PC Today) that a screenshot with posts in it are more easily viewed. PM a mod if you do not understand.
#9.4 JaggedFlame on 08 Dec 2003 - 15:47
You have to be kidding me.
#9.5 Octol on 08 Dec 2003 - 15:47
QUOTE
PM a mod if you do not understand.


Don't understand what?

That you think your posts are somehow more important than everyone else's and therefore deserve a more prominent display in the circumstances you describe? What kind of bullsh*t is that?

If the Neowin board wanted to optimize this site for retransmission to other media they would certainly do so. In the mean time, everyone has to put up with your engaging in a practice that's the Net equivalent of SHOUTING, which has long been considered rude and unacceptable in Net postings.
#9.6 SomeDork on 08 Dec 2003 - 16:59
dougkinzinger needs to stop using boldface for gratuitous attention, which is synonymous with "useless" or even advertising.
#10 matric on 08 Dec 2003 - 05:27
I really hate the Sun Java Virtual Machine. Very slow and bloated and doesn't integrate properly.
#11 psychoge3k on 08 Dec 2003 - 05:28
Wow.. there was an Office 20000 premium? ... Must be a common typo
Lucky I moved away from Windows 98 and Office 2000 long ago

And those progams couln't seriously still be considered flagship. Thats for WinXP and Office 2003
#12 Hellgod on 08 Dec 2003 - 06:53
the only thing i hate is MS Java Manager is the best java, suns adds crap to the computer takes for ever to load.. and it just sucks i dont want to know when jave is running, i just want it to run, thankfull i still have the ms jm client still
#13 BTallack on 08 Dec 2003 - 08:17
MSDN Subscribers still have access to Windows 3.1, even though support was discontinued long ago. I find it strange the MS doesn't just remove Java from these downloads.

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