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Battle of the Bands: Gates vs. Jobs

malebolgia   on 09 January 2004 - 17:35 · 20 comments & 622 views

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In dueling tradeshow keynotes this week, Apple's Steve Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates laid out their competing visions for digital convergence. To Messaging and Collaboration editor Steve Gillmor, Apple now holds the lead position.

In back-to-back keynotes in San Francisco and Las Vegas, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates this week underlined the vanishing difference between consumer and enterprise markets. Convergence has been the password for at least the past two Comdex and CES events, and both Apple and Microsoft are rolling out products loosely based on the notion of a home information hub. Microsoft's chief software architect was uncharacteristically off-center on Wednesday here as he let Jay Leno and an MSN product manager entertain the theater-sized crowd at the Consumer Electronics Show keynote. He stumbled frequently as he winged it in a presentation revolving around "consumer" experiences in the home and on the move. Even the demos had a slap-dash feel to them.

However, don't mistake these surface messages for a lack of preparation. If anything, the technologies Microsoft is readying represent the culmination of years of planning, investment and R&D. But the results somehow fell flat—becoming only small flashes of brilliance buried in miles of cable and duct tape across Microsoft's splayed divisions. At MacWorld Expo San Francisco on Tuesday, Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs made the best of a largely transitional set of announcements. The iPod Mini has some form-factor appeal, limited price incentive, and some momentum-building for Apple's cross-platform iTunes-iPod strategy. But the headline was Apple's move into the music creation space, via the company's new GarageBand sequencer and recorder add-in to its iLife software bundle.

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Opponents of the law are asking the judge to strike down the law because it is "well-intentioned but technologically misguided." During three days of sometimes heated arguments in response to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Democracy and Technology, the attorney general's procedure for identifying and blocking offending sites was attacked.

The attorney general's staff searched the Internet for child pornography and also set up a Web page that allowed Pennsylvania residents to report instances of child pornography.

The office then "sent about 500 informal notices to the ISPs through whose services the offending material had been accessed, asking the ISPs to disable their subscribers' access to the sites. The ISPs generally wrote in response that they had complied with the notice," the attorney general's office said in a brief.

After receiving notice, an ISP has five days to block users' access to the website. Failure to comply carries fines of up to $30,000 and jail terms of up to seven years.

But attorneys for the CDT argued that over 1 million websites that do not contain child pornography have also been blocked since the attorney general's office started sending out notices to ISPs in April 2002.

"It's not as simple as telling an ISP to stop people from accessing www.zzz.com. Each domain name can have several IP addresses attached to it and each upper level domain name can have hundreds of subdomains below it," said networking consultant Mike Sweeney. "It would equivalent of nuking a city block when all you needed was the flyswatter to kill the fly.

"The idea of Pennsylvania blocking sites was a misguided attempt of censorship by clueless public service officials," Sweeney added. "If they had taken the time to talk to knowledgeable technical people, all of this would have been explained at some level and the state of Pennsylvania would have been spared the embarrassment of looking like a bunch luddites who are technically inept. Trying to block sites this way is doomed to failure."

Sean Connolly, spokesman for acting state Attorney General Jerry Pappert, said that that the technology exists to allow ISPs to block only the specific site housing the pornography. There is also technology to block the site only from Pennsylvania state residents, although Connolly admitted that such solutions are complex and costly to implement.

Some ISPs, including America Online, Verizon and Worldcom, claimed in depositions that, given technical issues and the time frame they were given to comply with the attorney general's request, they had no choice but to block the access to sites that did not contain child pornography. In some cases, these blocks denied access to the sites for all North American subscribers.

"The attorney general cannot disavow responsibility for the blocking of more than 1 million entirely innocent websites by pointing fingers at the ISPs," argued John B. Morris, an attorney for the Center for Democracy & Technology.

"He seeks to blame the ISPs' decisions to use IP and DNS filtering as the cause of the massive overblocking of websites, not any action of the state. But the blocking of those sites is a direct result of ISPs' attempts to comply with the statutory scheme enacted by the Pennsylvania legislature and the informal notice scheme developed by the attorney general."

The law in question reads in part: "An Internet service provider shall remove or disable access to child pornography items residing on or accessible through its service in a manner accessible to persons located within this Commonwealth within five business days of when the Internet service provider is notified by the Attorney General pursuant to § 7628 (relating to notification procedure) that child pornography items reside on or are accessible through its service."

"From reading that law, It appears that the Pennsylvania district attorney has been anointed prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner," said attorney Harvey Jacobs, who specializes in Internet law.

"I didn't see any provision for judicial determination of whether certain website content is kiddie porn. I did not see any due process procedures for website owners to challenge the determinations," Jacobs said.

Arguments in the case are expected to conclude on Friday. U.S. District Judge Jan E. Dubois, who is hearing the case, is then expected to rule within a week or two. Some legal experts worry that if the Pennsylvania law is allowed to stand it could pave the way for other states to pass similar laws, blocking access to sites that the states deem illegal or immoral.

"While no civilized human being could defend child pornography, it's important to look at the big picture here," Morris said.

"There are better ways to stop child pornographers than blocking access to their sites and pretending they aren't there ... ways that solve the problem without creating an avalanche of censorship and technology issues."

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#1 exthuse on 09 Jan 2004 - 19:13
ya gotta hand it to Jobs
(1 reply) #2 insurektion on 09 Jan 2004 - 20:43
hahaha hand. jobs.
#2.1 Mav Phoenix on 09 Jan 2004 - 23:34
lol
(1 reply) #3 g33kb0y on 09 Jan 2004 - 21:45
lol @ insurektion

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#3.1 g33kb0y on 09 Jan 2004 - 21:51
[Edit: man, am I having serious issues with my mouse today]
(5 replies) #4 EnderDX on 10 Jan 2004 - 00:44
Personally I don't like this crap. I want my stuff separate. I don't want a microsoft device that replaces everything. I want my computer, my game console, my dvd player and my tv to be separate from each other. Stupid Media Center Edition, Stupid X-box.
#4.1 JaggedFlame on 10 Jan 2004 - 06:52
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I want my computer, my game console, my dvd player and my tv to be separate from each other.


Well, I don't. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Sheesh.
#4.2 Shining Arcanine on 10 Jan 2004 - 17:40
My computer, game console, dvd player, and TV are already partially intergraded. My ATI AIW card serves as a TV, my DVD Rom serves as a DVD player, my PC serves as a game console and a computer. I still have stand alone ones through. Primarily since I love the games exclusive to GCN and want to watch DVDs with a screen bigger than 17". I can always link them to my PC through my AIW if I want through.
#4.3 JaggedFlame on 10 Jan 2004 - 18:39
I personally don't see many reasons you would want your DVD player separate from your TV. It just makes sense.
#4.4 EnderDX on 10 Jan 2004 - 23:14
Simple. Say some time of new dvd format comes out, or a better video format. Your built in dvd player is now obsolete. And if you need a new tv, you would have to buy another one with a built in dvd player. Wheres the sense in that?
#4.5 JaggedFlame on 11 Jan 2004 - 14:51
So just because some new DVD format comes out, everyone has to drop everything and upgrade to it? Some of the earliest DVD players that ever came out still fit needs of many consumers today.

And as far as getting a new TV is concerned, I can't imagine you would need to "upgrade" your TV more than once every ten years. Do you really think you'd be worrying about the built-in DVD player then?

I still have the same VHS I had six years ago. It would've made my life a lot easier if it were integrated into my TV. The only reason I can think of that you might not want an integrated DVD player is if you have more than one TV you want to use it on, and that's fine. I never said everyone should conform to my preferences.
#5 Atmos42 on 10 Jan 2004 - 19:42
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Personally I don't like this crap. I want my stuff separate.


I can see part of the reason someone might want them seperated. Too much integration in one box means that when one componant goes down, the potential is there for the whole thing to go down. Then you are dead in the water until the whole thing gets fixed. I'm much more into an integrated component approach where if the PVR card dies then I can open up the thing and replace it but still be able to play DVD's or somesuch. I hope I'm making sense! Of course I hope he doesn't remove his Car stereo because it is integrated into the car!

Having said that, I'd love to have a Shuttle box near my TV that does everything. Click on the remote and bring up a TV menu and pick MP3 playlist, play MPEG's, use it as a PVR, Radio, etc. Man I'd love to dump all my component stereo equipment!
#6 EnderDX on 10 Jan 2004 - 23:23
Well I didn't mean to go for the extreme. It's alright to have a car stereo or a tv card. If apple came out with it first I would be praising it, im just really anti-microsoft. I hate WMA and WMV, they are the worst formats.
(3 replies) #7 CrimsonBlur on 10 Jan 2004 - 23:29
I agree with the people talking about things being seperate. It makes more sense, from a consumer's standpoint, to have everything be seperate modules. That way, if one device fails, or becomes obsolete, you just replace that one device. Look at programming languages. In the past, if you had something wrong in your code, it took too long to play Where's Waldo, so you just wrote the whole thing from scratch again. Now, you write evertying in modules and test it to make sure it works, and if it breaks, you just go to that module and fix it and test it again. I think this should apply to all things. I think if they want to integrate these components, they need to implement a system in which, even though the devices are integrated into one unit, they are all removable and replacable by the user, like a modern PC.
#7.1 EnderDX on 11 Jan 2004 - 03:07
I agree with that, but I think the units should also be able to be purchased separately. Say you buy a console for a lower price because it doesnt have a dvd player, it would be nice to have a module to add on to it for that ability. Some people just don't need another dvd player. I already have 3, my pc, my actual dvd player, and my ps2. im glad gamecube doesnt have one.
#7.2 JaggedFlame on 11 Jan 2004 - 14:55
Well, yeah. If it were my choice, I would be getting things separately just because I'm tired of getting things repaired all the time. But you can't blame Gates and Jobs for trying to make things simpler for other people who just want things to work, plain and simple.

When I say I want my things to be integrated, I want them to work together seamlessly. I couldn't care less if they're made up of eight different boxes.

But other people don't feel that way. If they want to play a DVD or a VHS or watch a PPV movie, they're all "watched" on a TV, so that's the first place they would naturally look for that kind of functionality. An eighty-year-old grandmother wouldn't want to be hampered by having eight different players and then having to figure out which one's for which.
#7.3 Atmos42 on 11 Jan 2004 - 19:02
Yeah, there isn't a universal remote on this planet that my Father can get along with!
When you start adding more and more components, complexity becomes a serious issue. I have a DSS system, a DVD player, a VCR, a Tuner, a CD changer, a 10year old TV, and an XBOX. After getting everything hooked up and running, even I have trouble remembring which buttons to press for which functions, not to mention my wife and she is computer savvy. With an all in one, at least inputs aren't an issue. And, just maybe, the unit is easier to operate. Sometimes have a simple remote with a big red button that says "press to turn on" would be handy.
#8 darthfader on 11 Jan 2004 - 19:58
watch the Macworld Expo webcast , what a great show! * counting days to the switch*
#9 angelrendon on 11 Jan 2004 - 22:50
Yeah I think I want all my electronics to remain seperate but what I would definitely like to see in the future is the ability for all my electronics to share and exchange common data--saving tv shows from the tv to my computer hard drive, grabbing screenshots off my PlayStation onto my computer and then displaying them on the tv, streaming my music library to my stereo. Stuff like that is the direction we need to be headed in.
#10 shirike on 15 Mar 2008 - 15:05
Battle of the Blands, more like

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