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New Windows XP SP2 Beta Build Due Soon

Tom Warren   on 20 February 2004 - 06:16 · 93 comments & 8392 views

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A little birdy has whispered in our ear and has let us know that Microsoft are planning to release a new SP2 build to its beta testers very soon. We're currently waiting on a build that is "fit" (in simple terms) to go out to beta testers and Microsoft is taking every effort to ensure the release of this interim build is a smooth one unlike the Beta 1 where 1000's of testers were left waiting to download the release.

This evening Microsoft held a online meeting for 'Lonestar' (Tablet PC 2004) testers where they demo'd a new build of XPSP2 which apparently included the Tablet PC bits. This build was Build 2600.xpsp.040213-1845(Service Pack 2, v.2081) which means it was compiled on the 13th February 2004. According to sources close to Microsoft we're likely to see a new build released to testers that will include the 'Lonestar' bits as early as next week.

Update: To confirm users comments on this news, Microsoft are updating the Windows XP icons across the OS in SP2 so any old icons should be updated from now on keeping the consistent look of XP which is good news to people who like theme-ing their Windows installations.

Screenshot: Windows XP SP2 Build 2081
Screenshot: Windows XP SP2 Build 2081 Lonestar Additions
News source: In-House


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#1 Chris123NT on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:33
Gotta love those little birdies
(2 replies) #2 Mav Phoenix on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:38
What's Lonestar? My memory is fading..
#2.1 creamhackered on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:39
'Lonestar' (Tablet PC 2004)
#2.2 Mav Phoenix on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:55
Ah yes, thanks.
(3 replies) #3 larsonyo on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:43
woohoo! cant wait to get my hands on this new build .... (yes im a beta tester!)
#3.1 [ timko ] on 20 Feb 2004 - 14:33
You're not the only one... I am too... not really much to brag about since it's free to get on the list... only having to answer a few questionaires.

Currently testing the previous SP2 build in VMware, just in case it fugs anything... so far it's been rock solid.
#3.2 no-sweat on 20 Feb 2004 - 19:25
how do you become a beta tester? i filled out some questionaire to be a beta tester.. but dont they notify me if i am one ??
#3.3 Rudy on 20 Feb 2004 - 20:25
you prolly didnt get picked then
(2 replies) #4 rseiler on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:46
Uh, guys, Beta 1 is hardly a mess. It's actually excellent with fewer bugs than I would expect in a beta, even for the usually smooth SP's.
#4.1 larsonyo on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:47
I never said it was a mess, I had a 28 day uptime with Beta 1 installed
#4.2 RangerLG on 20 Feb 2004 - 15:38
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unlike the Beta 1 where 1000's of testers were left waiting to download the release


I think it meant how it was distrubuted.
(6 replies) #5 KTamas on 20 Feb 2004 - 06:56
Who cares? Win2K3 0wnZ
#5.1 Mav Phoenix on 20 Feb 2004 - 07:44
How about everyone with XP?
#5.2 Jugalator on 20 Feb 2004 - 09:51
"Who cares? Win2K3 0wnZ"

Uh, yeah, if you happen to run a network server of some sort.
Now why was this comment posted here?
#5.3 Clik on 20 Feb 2004 - 11:24
But 2k3 isn't a desktop OS.

dear oh dear,
#5.4 NeoSoft on 20 Feb 2004 - 11:50
That's funny ... "who cares?" Well, duh!
#5.5 brew crew on 20 Feb 2004 - 21:41
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But 2k3 isn't a desktop OS.


but you can run it as one, why couldn't you?

and actually 2k3 is better then xp, since it doesn't have the useless add on newbie s h i t, that xp does
#5.6 markjensen on 21 Feb 2004 - 03:32
QUOTE (#5.5)
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But 2k3 isn't a desktop OS.
but you can run it as one, why couldn't you?

Why would anyone fork out all the extra money it takes to purchase Windows Server 2003? The benefits can't be worth spending that much money, then having to force-feed it the stuff that most desktops have...
#6 lnatan25 on 20 Feb 2004 - 07:30
Is the performance of SP2 similar to SP1's? SP1 made my PC slow, very slow...
#7 leebobs on 20 Feb 2004 - 08:30
Added to the SP2 Thread...

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=75970

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(9 replies) #8 theh0g on 20 Feb 2004 - 09:05
Why do people have to WAIT to get fixes for their OS?! I mean WTF, they keep saying crap about "trusted computing" and how better they are than Linux and all but with Linux at least you get patches immediately and they work, you don't need a patch for a patch that fixed a hole everybody's been warning about for months. And they actualy have the guts to act angry when all the worms go around and cause huge damage...but to fix Outlook like they should (and not making it a tool for retards like it is now, when you can't even disable the dumb "feature" that doesn't allow you to save attachments, pathetic), no way. We'll see the fix in Office 2009 SP4 when Gates' braincell finally tells him they need to produce what PEOPLE want not what MICROSOFT wants or what some stupid research company says people should need.
#8.1 dreamthief on 20 Feb 2004 - 09:56
wait to get fixes? you could always open IE and go to windowsupdate.

Even some critcal security updates of SP2 files are available to download. SP2 is just a collection of all the updates all packed into one. (for lazy people like myself who doesn't bother to download the security updates individually through windowsupdate)
#8.2 chilliadus on 20 Feb 2004 - 10:19
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Why do people have to WAIT to get fixes for their OS?!

lol people ALWAYS have to wait between a bug is confirmed and a fix is released. Whether it's a long wait or a short one is another issue. Now if only someone could stop asking stupid questions...
#8.3 FISKER_Q on 20 Feb 2004 - 10:24
You are wrong, very wrong.

The only thing Linux has its advantage in is that it's opensource. So if the administrator is learned in it, he can fix the **** himself.(I'm talking from a company perspective, if linux technically is better at handling something or something else they might be, but i don't give a **** it has nothing to do with the issue)

But why should you need a programmer as a system administrator? And guess how much it would cost them to change? Their current administrators should learn programming, which normally is a 2-3 year course here. Who wants to pay full wage for 2-3 years without actually using the person?

You could then wait for a patch, which in no way has any garuantee, neither a "proper" bugfix proces. Which also is states by devil/stable tags.

Microsoft is a company, not a community.

Their fixes has to be tested before release, although bugs are inevitable. I would say that there is little difference in a good bug processing for both operating systems.

Also would you, as a company, use a product that has no support? With people that are not competent in any system.

(Yes i know it's possible to buy support for some linux distros, but that kinda defeats the purpose)
#8.4 Tews on 20 Feb 2004 - 10:25
I dont see what you are bi*ching about .. Its obvious that: A. You are a linux troll. B: If you're NOT a Linux Troll ( My apologies to the Linux Community ) You're a spoiled 13yr old script kiddie who just HAS to have everything when you want it. C: If you're NOT a script kiddie ( My Apologies to all the script kiddies out there ) You're a lame looser who needs to get a life!!
#8.5 theh0g on 20 Feb 2004 - 10:47
Tews: wow, smart comment, really! It really has a lot to do with the topic, doesn't it? At least I wrote my opinion, what you wrote is just some BS that most of time start flames and destroys a topic. I'm a Windows and a Linux user because customers tell us what platform they want their websites and applications to run on. I'm not some MS sheep who follows only Microsoft and can only work with one system, that doesn't get you anywhere. So if you read more carefuly, you'd see I mentioned Linux just as a competition, Microsoft so much likes to bash and even spends millions on campaigns that experts immediately mark as false and misleading. Ok, I could say OS X, cuz even Apple releases patches more often than Microsoft - but then you'd also say I'm a linux fan because OS X is based on unix, right? I guess that's the only pathetic comeback diehard MS fans can come up with. Retard.

p.s. oh, and it's "LOSER". If you're trying to insult someone, at least learn the words. And have you ever seen a loser who's not lame? What else can it be, a "cool loser"?

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#8.6 YaZoR on 20 Feb 2004 - 11:55
now now, children.

woot sp2 soon. all for fixes, and fixes for all.
#8.7 Crackler on 21 Feb 2004 - 00:58
Nice how he had no comeback for FISKER_Q...with whom i completely agree with.
I can't wait for the final version of SP2.
#8.8 markjensen on 21 Feb 2004 - 03:48
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But why should you need a programmer as a system administrator? And guess how much it would cost them to change? Their current administrators should learn programming, which normally is a 2-3 year course here. Who wants to pay full wage for 2-3 years without actually using the person?
First, you don't need to hire a programmer as SysAdmin. Even my wife is up to date with her system checking for updates every day. It's automatic. With Linux, there are a LOT more updates delivered. This can be a hassle for some, but never require a reboot unless you update the kernel. As for having a person that was out for 2-3 years without actually using them... Any company that a) sends someone off for the first several years of employment is nuts. and, b) doesn't hire someone with some "C" programming knowledge is downright brain-dead. Plus, as they take classes, the knowledge can be immediately put to use at work. You don't need to wait for the Ph.D.
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You could then wait for a patch, which in no way has any garuantee, neither a "proper" bugfix proces.
Same could be said for Microsoft patches. Certainly you remember a few of them that didn't work, or broke other things?
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Also would you, as a company, use a product that has no support? With people that are not competent in any system.
(Yes i know it's possible to buy support for some linux distros, but that kinda defeats the purpose)
Well, what is the difference in who you buy support from? What "purpose" does it serve to go without support, if you need the support?

Windows support has its problems, too.
http://eeye.com/html/Research/Upcoming/index.html

In the end, we all must choose the system(s) that do the job we want done the best, and the answer(s) are different for every individual and corporation. But, please, let's not throw around false or misleading information based on personal theories.

1. You don't need more of a programmer for a Linux system admin than a Windows one. Programming experience is pretty much required for both jobs, anyhow.

2. Patches are inevitable, and in fact, are actually *good*, as they show improvement over the old versions. Some patches (Linux or Windows) may have side-effects, but most are very good and do just what they should

3. And, yes, you can get support for any OS you install. Or you can go without support and "do it yourself". The path you take is your choice, and there is no "wrong" answer.
#8.9 FISKER_Q on 21 Feb 2004 - 07:51
Well i agree mostly, my point isn't that linux is bad.

Of course you don't need programming. But patches doesn't get released as stable like the first or second day after it's discovered.

Also yeah it's pretty basic to get updates, but apparently they don't. I've always said that it's the users problem to secure his computer. But still i see a lot of unpatched systems when i work.

So as a little good gesture i enable automatic updates for them and i give them a little lecture in security. In my opinion they should've either have learned it, or payed someone to do it.

Why should a company hire one with extra abillities beyond the ones he need? Here in Denmark that translate to extra wage. i.e. i know someone who has some work experience and some degree in the IT area, now he works for the state in planting gardens, trees etc. But he gets extra wage, just because he has that extra degree.

That means the company has to pay extra for a service he doesn't even deliver.(However he can be if nessecary)


Yeah i do remember one or 2 "bloopers" from Microsoft, of course that can happen. For both parts. What i meant is that, Microsoft don't purposely release devil software to the end user.

Of course Linux doesn't force you either.

By support i don't just mean patches. Since many problems that has come with Windows can be solved by a Windows Server protecting the clients. Or any other server.

I don't know how much programming in Linux you require, it all depends on the system, if you had the knewest, you would probably need patches.
And if you want to make them yourself, you need a programmer.

In Windows it's a bit different, since it's closed source, so you either have to wait, or you have to fix it yourself.

Which can mean you can fix it by using a server as a "firewall" for that exploit.
Or you can try to make a patch yourself.

In botch cases though, you need some commandline and scripting knowledge, that's basicly a must.

Agree on the 2 last points as well.

Edit: According to the kernel specifications Windows shouldn't need reboots. And in most cases it doesn't either, although it still want us to reboot.

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(4 replies) #9 Clik on 20 Feb 2004 - 11:26
This is a windows site, you tit, what's the point of saying 'linux' is super smashing great.

I wonder if linux was on 90% of the computers in the word just how many exploits and patches would be required?

Windows update or say, Red Hat Update.. theres little difference
#9.1 roadwarrior on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:17
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This is a windows site, you tit, what's the point of saying 'linux' is super smashing great

Since when is this a "windows site"? From what I can tell, news of all operating systems, and technology in general, is discussed here.
#9.2 nuka_t on 20 Feb 2004 - 19:39
you have a point, but it is neo"win" as in windows. however unlike most mac and linux sites it does have members from other oses.
#9.3 markjensen on 21 Feb 2004 - 03:52
I am a Linux user, and I found theh0g's comment off-topic for this particular thread. It was also a bit hard to read...
#9.4 Diablo321 on 22 Feb 2004 - 04:59
I thought this topic was about service packs...not who uses what OS
#10 Avi on 20 Feb 2004 - 11:44
Can't wait for the new version! Hopefully, it will fix some important bugs I noticed!
(2 replies) #11 GameFox on 20 Feb 2004 - 12:03
I'm not a beta tester - but I have SP2. I haven't noticed any bugs - and the firewall is a hell of a lot better.....
#11.1 brew crew on 20 Feb 2004 - 21:43
lmao

no it isn't, try running a second firewall at the same time and see all the s h i t that comes through
#11.2 Crackler on 21 Feb 2004 - 00:59
He said it was better not great...
#12 nw_raptor on 20 Feb 2004 - 12:18
cant wait!!!
(1 reply) #13 AgentEcks on 20 Feb 2004 - 12:29
here comes another pack of bugs
#13.1 Diablo321 on 22 Feb 2004 - 05:01
lol
(1 reply) #14 musicmaster on 20 Feb 2004 - 13:07
UPDTATED TAKSBAR ICONS!!!
#14.1 [Dan] on 20 Feb 2004 - 13:13
What icons?
#15 Electronic Punk on 20 Feb 2004 - 13:20
There are new icons ?
#16 EWC on 20 Feb 2004 - 13:53
Now I wonder if this build will actually work with Media Center Edition. Beta 1 would not install on XPMCE.
(1 reply) #17 xStainDx on 20 Feb 2004 - 15:33
That Screenshot is an image of .NET Application.

Go Microsoft.. C# .NET as its best.
#17.1 karma_police on 20 Feb 2004 - 15:49
C# and VB .NET
(1 reply) #18 nic on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:04
I heard that the Messeging service will be switched off with the install of SP2.
I like using the messeging service at the office, can it still be re-enabled? Does anyone know if there will be a way to not let SP2 disable this service?

Not installing this until it goes final, but just curious.
#18.1 roadwarrior on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:19
The service will be off by default (as most services should be, IMHO). It can easily be enabled via services.msc.
(6 replies) #19 musicmaster on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:13
THE ICONS IN THE TASKBAR>>> UPDATED BATTERY ICON AND NETWORK ICON
#19.1 devinlamothe on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:48
Doesn't that network icon mean bluetooth or wireless?
#19.2 DOCa Cola on 20 Feb 2004 - 16:54
niceee
#19.3 XiXora on 20 Feb 2004 - 19:15
wireless but i hope they add proper blue tooth support. sick of this shoddy blue tooth
#19.4 y_notm on 20 Feb 2004 - 20:43
the wireless network icon is in the beta 1 build of SP2 as well
#19.5 Knight' on 20 Feb 2004 - 22:13
OH MY FRIGGIN GOD A NEW ICON!

bloody hell some people are easily please....
#19.6 finalcoolman on 21 Feb 2004 - 00:05
This was announced back a little after SP1 came out that SP2 will end up having full native Bluetooth support. It's even somewhere on the WinSuperSite with a preview of it.
(1 reply) #20 ehanson on 20 Feb 2004 - 18:21
Does anyone know if this new build will have the updated Windows Firewall, as opposed to the Internet Connection Firewall in the previous wide beta? Winsupersite says that it adds outgoing filtering as well the usual incoming. I would like to get more reviews of this rumored feature.
#20.1 Shagin099 on 20 Feb 2004 - 18:52
From the way the XPSP2 chat about the firewall for beta testers went, i believe it will stay incoming only (althought one of them said, somewhat crypticly, that Longhorn would have a more enhanced firewall). The way the people answering questions acted, it didnt look like that many new features in beta2/rc or whatever they will call it. Guess we will just have to wait though .
(7 replies) #21 no-sweat on 20 Feb 2004 - 19:27
isnt SP2 spose to have some special thing for pirated keys? like it'll check if its pirated or something? not that it matters to me... im just curious
#21.1 eds on 20 Feb 2004 - 21:29
They'll probably update the corp key list again but you really dont have to worry becuase you have a legit copy
#21.2 ANova on 20 Feb 2004 - 22:25
SP1 wouldn't install on an os with a pirate key so theres no reason to believe SP2 won't do the same.
#21.3 no-sweat on 20 Feb 2004 - 23:45
oh yeah, of course it does
#21.4 roadwarrior on 21 Feb 2004 - 02:05
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SP1 wouldn't install on an os with a pirate key so theres no reason to believe SP2 won't do the same.

Not exactly. SP1 only had one or two pirated keys hard coded that it would not install on (most notably, the one released with the "Devils Own" corporate copy). Keys generated with the BlueList keygen worked just fine with SP1.
#21.5 no-sweat on 21 Feb 2004 - 05:17
but those probably wont work on SP2 will they?
#21.6 markjensen on 21 Feb 2004 - 06:31
I just love how "piracy" is talked about on Neowin. It really isn't directly said, but it is always obvious.
#21.7 no-sweat on 21 Feb 2004 - 07:52
yeah cause piracy is wrong!
#22 Avian on 20 Feb 2004 - 19:45
Just for Clarification, there is a new network Icon of 802.11 wifi, but the battery icon is a toshiba program that controls battery life.
(8 replies) #23 bogd on 20 Feb 2004 - 21:33
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A little birdy has whispered in our ear and has let us know that Microsoft are planning to release a new SP2 build to its beta testers very soon.


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Update: To confirm users comments on this news, Microsoft are updating


Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't it be "Microsoft is planning," and "Microsoft is updating." ? I don't know if the subject verb agreement rule is different in the UK because I see this common error a lot.

It could be a common misunderstanding.
#23.1 xStainDx on 21 Feb 2004 - 01:02
Neowin.... Where unprofessional journalism looks better...
#23.2 roadwarrior on 21 Feb 2004 - 02:09
It's not subject-verb agreement that is different in the UK. It is the fact that companies are referred to as being plural instead of singular. Which really is only logical, since a "company" is a group of people, not a single entity (except in the US, where a corporation is legally considered a single entity).
#23.3 devinlamothe on 21 Feb 2004 - 02:10
lol, I was thinking the same thing.
#23.4 creamhackered on 21 Feb 2004 - 02:38
Erm, who cares?
#23.5 xStainDx on 21 Feb 2004 - 03:58
not me.
#23.6 jerenity on 21 Feb 2004 - 10:02
a company is a single entity. you refer to it as a whole, not of the parts that make it up. so it should be "is" and not "are"
#23.7 markjensen on 21 Feb 2004 - 10:14
QUOTE (#23.6)
a company is a single entity. you refer to it as a whole, not of the parts that make it up. so it should be "is" and not "are"

Yes, in the US, that is true. But in the Queen's English, companies are a collection of people, and therefore plural.

In the US there is the concept of "incorporation" that treats a company of people as a separate individual, and therefore singular.

Don't be so certain of "facts" that are localised. (or, "localized" in America)
#23.8 bogd on 21 Feb 2004 - 15:40
Ok, I was just wondering. I was curious to know if things in the UK were different from us here in the US. Thanks for clearing it up.
(1 reply) #24 Phil Gates on 20 Feb 2004 - 23:10
bah... on windowsbeta it still only has beta 1.. no beta 2
#24.1 roadwarrior on 21 Feb 2004 - 02:12
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little birdy has whispered in our ear and has let us know that Microsoft are planning to release a new SP2 build to its beta testers very soon.


Read the bold part. It's not released to the beta testers yet.
(2 replies) #25 Trust on 20 Feb 2004 - 23:20
any word about the final yet?
#25.1 Phil Gates on 21 Feb 2004 - 00:06