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Apple IBM G5 leads AMD, Intel, experts say

malebolgia   on 04 March 2004 - 15:48 · 39 comments & 3942 views

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Apple's move to G5 processors from IBM is giving the company a clear advantage against manufacturers using chips from Intel or AMD, an industry expert has said. "The 970FX", (the G5 chip that powers Apple's Xserve and is thought likely to drive a future Power Mac G5 upgrade from the company), "should yield well at 2.5GHz, up from the 2GHz speeds of the 970 used in the original Power Mac G5. This 25 per cent increase in clock rate will not soon be matched by Intel or AMD," writes Microprocessor Report editor-in-chief Peter Glaskowsky.

Intel's new Prescott chip is described as "struggling to eke out minor clock-rate improvements, and AMD will have to wait for its own 90nm products (due in the second half of the year) to achieve substantial speed-ups for Athlon 64," he writes. The new G5 chip has already won the coveted Microprocessor Report Analyst's Choice Award for Best Desktop Processor of 2003. Glaskowsky is optimistic for the future of the processor architecture.

News source: Macworld | UK


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#1 DirtyLarry on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:07
now if i could only sell my dual g4 for a reasonable price so i could maybe afford one of these bad boy g5's one day, everything would be that much sweeter... until then my reliable g4 is doing me fine
(4 replies) #2 longwilli on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:14
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AMD will have to wait for its own 90nm products (due in the second half of the year) to achieve substantial speed-ups for Athlon 64


lol already out of date, may is now the rumered date
#2.1 dp123 on 04 Mar 2004 - 19:51
Out of date?

May is rumored? Guess you don't realize that May (which is just a rumor) is just 5 weeks or so from the second half of the year.
#2.2 longwilli on 04 Mar 2004 - 20:36
i did thanks and 5 weeks takes us to JUNE which is HALF WAY the original estimate was well into the second half of the year so although the rumored date did change it wasn't by a great amount. but then i guess you didnt realize that
#2.3 dp123 on 04 Mar 2004 - 21:38
What are you talking about. The original statement is "due in the second half of the year" not "WELL into the..."

You concede your date is a rumor. So... for all we know this article is based on a rumor not being accurate. Well, I'll be. I don't see how this makes the article out of date. We know somethings of expected power dissipation, when the chips will be available in mass, how well they'll scale... IBM doesn't have a huge lead but power consumption is so much lower and they are already delivering in masses so IBM does have a big lead.



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#2.4 longwilli on 05 Mar 2004 - 14:09
i dont know what you are on about, i think you need to read the inforrmation before making comments
(11 replies) #3 Homer™ on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:14
Cant use the pieces of **** with windows though, and the architechture / OS is different. They can shut their faces.
#3.1 stezo2k on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:28
yeah your right mate, the OS does count, and OSX is faster than xp..... its definatly not the same speed

plus the a64 can't take advantage of being 64bit, cause xp64 isn't out yet...........
#3.2 kitchenutensils on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:41
*ahem* ill hold u 2 tht
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plus the a64 can't take advantage of being 64bit, cause xp64 isn't out yet...........
#3.3 aristotle-dude on 04 Mar 2004 - 17:16
Why would you want to run windows? If you want to run something other than OS X for some reason, there are several linux distros out for it.

Do you like installing patches and cleaning out viruses?


Are you a gamer? That's what XBOX is for my pasty faced friend. An additional advantage of the XBOX is that you can invite friends over to play against. It's much more comfortable sitting on the couch than sitting on a chair in front of a computer.
#3.4 Beast_4thHM on 04 Mar 2004 - 18:53
wtf are you on about??? ... xbox to replace a PC?? omg dude! thats the dumbest thing you could say to justify your nonsense
#3.5 longwilli on 04 Mar 2004 - 19:04
An Xbox to replace a PC lol thanks I haven’t laughed so much in ages
#3.6 BTallack on 04 Mar 2004 - 19:33
Microsoft has licensed the PowerPC for the next Xbox.
#3.7 mohennessey on 04 Mar 2004 - 20:20
they havent yet BTallack, read on.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14497
#3.8 SariN on 05 Mar 2004 - 01:59
first off your an idiot.

secondly on osx and xp both require patches and cleaning out viruses.
and your xbox-pc comments speaks for itself.


thanks
#3.9 dp123 on 05 Mar 2004 - 02:07
SariN, please name a single OS X Virus?
#3.10 aznx on 05 Mar 2004 - 02:31
probably..because not enough damn people use them, so why bother..hahahaha and plus, each version of osx had a ton of patches...geez, read the changelogs
#3.11 DsnBehind on 05 Mar 2004 - 07:07
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Do you like installing patches and cleaning out viruses?

Because OSX and Linux don't have any bugs or viruses.
#4 NinjaMonkey82 on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:30
I'm glad IBM is really turning around PowerPC development. Motorola really screwed up its nice to see IBM and Apple putting out great systems.
(1 reply) #5 lammmetak on 04 Mar 2004 - 16:38
to bad they are damn expensive i really would like to have an g5
ill just stick to a amd 2400+ for now and get and amd 64 soon
also the x86 is the 1 thats screwed, they start with ffffff00 not 000000 thats crap u know.
also theres already a 64 bits windows or try linux. i saw benchies with 30% increase of fps with unreal tournament 2003 or 2004 i cant remember wich 1 lol
#5.1 aristotle-dude on 04 Mar 2004 - 17:21
Want to play UT2k3 or the demo of UT2K4? The former is available on the shelves and the latter is available in demo form.

Damn expensive? Not compared to other dual proc 32bit machines (dual Xeon) and this thing is 64bit like the Althlon64 or Opteron. It's all relative. These things are not meant for gamers but for video/music/graphics pros and rich guys.
(1 reply) #6 Explicative on 04 Mar 2004 - 18:11
For the record, Peter Glaskowsy is the guy who gave the Nvidia GeForce FX chipset the "best graphics processor" award for 2002. Not only did the GeForce FX line not come out in 2002, but also when the award was given in early 2003 no boards had actually been brought to market. Not to mention the fact that when the boards finally did come out they were a total joke. So, I'll take this guy's predictions with a healthy helping of salt.
#6.1 ANova on 04 Mar 2004 - 18:59
Ahaha, good points.

I prefer the Intel/XP combination, but that's just me.
(1 reply) #7 hardgiant on 04 Mar 2004 - 18:39
and yet 95% of people will continue to use their PC's
#7.1 Mav Phoenix on 04 Mar 2004 - 23:34
That's what I was thinking. People are still comfortable with Windows and don't see a need for a change.
#8 Red Dragon on 04 Mar 2004 - 18:46
If they can bring a good processor in cheap, people will buy it. Expensive won't cut it.
#9 pixlnet on 04 Mar 2004 - 21:37
Pretty soon ghz and all that won't matter. To me, the best software is what matters and a large part of that is ease of use and what you can do with it. XP running on a 1.5ghz machine and a 3.0ghz machine won't make for a much better user experience. I'm not very familiar with Linux however I think the same goes. If Linux has some very great well thought out applications, and the OS was more user friendly their share in the market would rise dramatically. However, haven't really seen that for the masses yet. Anyways, I think Apple is gaining loads of ground in this department.

Think about this. We were always able to do really neat things on our 800mhz computers. Now we have pc's running at 4 times those speeds and look where we are. Not very far ahead. Except for like gaming. Video processing, "smart" software, and great netoworks will be the next big thing. As well as compatibility among all different OS platforms.
(4 replies) #10 alpoinacan on 04 Mar 2004 - 21:40
"An Industry expert said". Laugh Out Loud! Right, I'd like my million dollars worth of nickels for every time I've heard that quote.

Lets wait and see what comes down the pipe. Be nice to see Apple with some muscles to go along with its radically designed hardware. I'm still putting my money on AMD for best price performance.
#10.1 nanackle on 04 Mar 2004 - 22:07
exactly... this "industry expert" has no credibility... mac processors have been lagging behind intel and amd offerings for a while now, and the g5 is not going to change that trend... mark my word!
#10.2 superfula on 04 Mar 2004 - 23:05
Um, it already has.
#10.3 frod on 05 Mar 2004 - 01:33
guess you missed out on the fact that the g5 exceeded or matched performance on the chips in the market when it was released.
#10.4 Divide Overflow on 05 Mar 2004 - 01:51
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guess you missed out on the fact that the g5 exceeded or matched performance on the chips in the market when it was released.


Guess you conveniently left out that those benchmarks were widely controversial. ^_^
#11 amdme2600 on 05 Mar 2004 - 00:13
I have a amd 64 fx with server 2003 64 bit. All I can say is nice.
(2 replies) #12 mealbundy on 05 Mar 2004 - 00:13
So the question remains...Is it Apple or is it IBM that takes the lead? The title on this article implies that Apple has aquired IBM. What does Apple make?
#12.1 nuka_t on 05 Mar 2004 - 02:03
a lot of money off of people buying IBM's chips
#12.2 roadwarrior on 05 Mar 2004 - 02:05
Yeah, the title on this article does leave a lot to be desired. I think there was supposed to be another comma or something in there.
#13 ranvier on 05 Mar 2004 - 09:35
lol~ So what if AMD or INTEL can't match the speed rating of G5?

There have been countless review and benchmarks between G5, AMD Athlon 64 FX - 51 and INTEL Pentium® 4 processor Extreme Edition. It has shown that G5 sux to the core except for a few areas. It even lose to AMD and Intel in some areas which seems to be G5 Forte.
#14 hardgiant on 05 Mar 2004 - 10:28
STOP WRITING BIG
#15 ranvier on 05 Mar 2004 - 15:28
lol~ It's small now.

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