Microsoft wins round in name case
Posted by malebolgia on 07 April 2004 - 19:25 · 45 comments & 751 views
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#1 Posted by werejag on 07 Apr 2004 - 19:28
- congrates microsoft you have sinked to new lows.
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#1.1 Posted by darksoul on 07 Apr 2004 - 21:45
- i can't believe microsoft would dare protect the millions of dollars it has spent to build its brand recognition. new lows for sure
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#1.2 Posted by zivan56 on 07 Apr 2004 - 22:51
QUOTE (#1.1) i can't believe microsoft would dare protect the millions of dollars it has spent to build its brand recognition. new lows for sure
Yes...Now time for them to sue window manufacturers for using their brand.-
#1.3 Posted by Gumboot on 07 Apr 2004 - 23:48
- Window manufacturers operate in a completely different market -- Lindows is an OS that directly competes with Windows. See the difference?
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#1.4 Posted by werejag on 08 Apr 2004 - 00:02
- no diffence
i bet you if i was a windows company and named my windows window xp that id be sued.
copyrighting or trademrketing a genic name doesnt make it correct. See the difference?
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#1.5 Posted by werejag on 08 Apr 2004 - 00:11
- are windows users stupid? since they have been betrayed as people who cant tell the diffence between the names lindows and windows? or is it that they are stupid becuase they cant tell the diffence between os lindows and os windows?
if i was a fanboy of microsoft id get angry that microsoft belives that im stupid and dont have the intelligence to make an informed idea.
lucky that i am not a fanboy
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#1.6 Posted by Jugalator on 08 Apr 2004 - 06:15
QUOTE i bet you if i was a windows company and named my windows window xp that id be sued.
Again, trademark laws are usually only applicable to the same market.
But sure, maybe if you're using the identical name that's obviously made up to use Microsoft's brand. However, I really doubt Lindows would be sued.
Also, "Windows" is not generic among operating system software, or even software in general. There's no confusion whether you mean a regular window or the OS when talking about MS Windows. So I don't see why it wouldn't be OK to use that trademark.
However, as Lindows is *also* in the same OS business and there's already a very very similar trademark in use there, I always thought Lindows were using Microsoft's brand recognition in order to gain publicity.
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#2 Posted by LordHatrus on 07 Apr 2004 - 19:36
- Lindows has said it is probably going with LINDOS, "because the W is the problem here"
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#2.1 Posted by HellBender on 07 Apr 2004 - 20:03
- So the name isn't going to be Winux - because problems with Ws.
Winux. The Opewating System fow Centuwions!
or...
Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm installing winux!
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#3 Posted by akassebaum on 07 Apr 2004 - 19:48
- Microsoft has a right to protect the product name. Michael Robertson totally ripped the name by switching out a letter. They might as well rename it to Bapple to piss off another company and infringe on their copyrights! Lindows is so inferior to Windows in the regard to ease of use among new users who are trying to break into the Linux based world. Linux will not win the battle of the OS if they do not make it easier to install programs. Non Linux enthusiasts do not have the time or the know how to figure out how to compile a program even thought there are packaging programs. There are still dependencies that need have already been compiled into the OS. As much as I would like to move on away from buggy Microsoft programs, it does all the tricks I need it to do. Thanks Billy Gates!!!!
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#3.1 Posted by syscrash2k on 07 Apr 2004 - 20:57
- Is
./configure
make
make install
too hard?
Or how about in gentoo -
emerge packagename
In some cases it may be harder to install the software in windows
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#3.2 Posted by tapo on 07 Apr 2004 - 22:00
- You forgot debian

In synaptic, click the name of the program you want to install, hit install, and then hit apply.
Watch as the magical magicness downloads and installs the program, and all it's dependencies, automatically.
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#3.3 Posted by JaggedFlame on 07 Apr 2004 - 22:31
QUOTE Is
./configure
make
make install
too hard
Actually, yes, it is too hard. That's the problem with some Linux fanboys.
People don't want to type three commands just to install a program. They want to double-click the file and have it do it itself.-
#3.4 Posted by redFX on 07 Apr 2004 - 22:43
- So let me get this straight, you actually double click a program in windows and it magically installs without any other prompts?
I hate to break it to you but to install apps on windows, most of the time you click on more then 3-4 buttons to get it to install. -
#3.5 Posted by werejag on 08 Apr 2004 - 00:15
- redFX
dont waste your time with jaggedflame he is hard core windows nut. he loves to word play things he has no clue what he talks about
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#3.6 Posted by Jugalator on 08 Apr 2004 - 06:34
QUOTE So let me get this straight, you actually double click a program in windows and it magically installs without any other prompts?
I hate to break it to you but to install apps on windows, most of the time you click on more then 3-4 buttons to get it to install.
I agree with JaggedFlame here and think it's still harder to use these three commands in the proper directory than clicking a Next button three times. Sure, there are even more complex software to install on Windows too, but the same can be said for Linux. And those can be really evil on that OS.
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#3.7 Posted by moleman on 08 Apr 2004 - 08:54
- Actually, you're all forgetting the main comeback to this! One of Lindow's main selling points is the Click 'n Run software - "which lets you click and run software by downloading and installing any of the 1800+ programs in the CNR Warehouse, each with one click of a mouse" according to their website!
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#3.8 Posted by JLP on 08 Apr 2004 - 09:35
- I just installed Gentoo Linux a few days ago. And I absolutely love emerge. It is by far the most simple way of installing software. And not just installing but also maintaing and upgrading already installed software. To install I just type:
emerge mozilla
and it automatically downloads and compiles Mozilla specifically for my hardware and then installs it. With all dependencies and all.
And then if want to upgrade my entire system I just type:
emerge -u world
and all software is upgraded
Just wonderful and it can hardly get any easier than this.
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#4 Posted by blackice912 on 07 Apr 2004 - 20:13
- I love news about how Lindows loses -- yet again
Gets a nice laugh out ot me.
(Not a MS fanboy, just one who dislikes Lindows and their actions)
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#5 Posted by BTallack on 07 Apr 2004 - 20:48
- Did Lindows ever actually think they had a chance?
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#6 Posted by yoaliens3000 on 07 Apr 2004 - 21:00
- lindows saw is coming. its not surprising.
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#7 Posted by tapo on 07 Apr 2004 - 22:02
- It seems Lindows may very well be a nice OS, but I absolutely hate their marketing department. They like to bash and make fun of Microsoft. Not in a good way, but in a way that makes them look like retards.
You think they'd actually come up with their own name instead of blatiently ripping off the name Windows.
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#8 Posted by norseman on 07 Apr 2004 - 23:50
- syscrash2k, go stick your ./configure; make; make install in your pengiun's ass. My mom or sister would never want to go through nor try to understand. Why? Not because they are not intelligent, because they don't want their computer to operate like that. They would rather use the mouse for computer commands than the keyboard, and the keyboard for their typing programs, emails, essays.. etc Some do not like to type over and over and over.
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#8.2 Posted by tapo on 08 Apr 2004 - 00:41
- He was explaining that's how complicated an install could get. And that's not very, four lines.
If you think it's too complicated for your mom, then it's a shame she won't be able to use the latest nightly mozilla build.
However, in the real world of Linux, there are easy to install packages. As I explained, systems such as apt make it even easier then a windows install, as it automatically downloads and installs the latest version. You can also, with one click, upgrade all of the software on your computer. Unlike Windows, where Windows Update updates the operating system, and other programs need to be updated manually. -
#8.3 Posted by NeoTrunks on 08 Apr 2004 - 03:29
- It's only really that simple if you have all the dependencies. Sadly, not many people are willing to go and fetch 15 or so dependencies to install a program. While Gentoo with its Portage system automatically downloads all dependecies for you, try getting people with average computer expertise to install Gentoo in the first place. BTW, I'm not slamming Gentoo or Linux, as I use them both, but just stating that Linux isn't at the same point as Windows is when it comes to ease of use.
As for the case of Lindows being different from Windows, of course it is. They're not worried about any "English" speaking person confusing the two. They're worried about languages where the only word that sounds like "windows" is (MS) Windows. In those cases, yes, Lindows can be mistaken for Windows. -
#8.4 Posted by werejag on 08 Apr 2004 - 05:42
QUOTE syscrash2k, go stick your ./configure; make; make install in your pengiun's ass.
this shows that he has hate and nothing more. he explained that his hate clouds his mind nothing more-
#8.5 Posted by tapo on 08 Apr 2004 - 15:56
- As I said, Debian also does this with APT.
Now of course, Debian is also a pain in the ass to install, but the wonderful thing is that a lot of Debian based distros are designed for the end user. I hear Xandros is good, I have mixed feelings about Lindows.
I hear Redhat's Fedora core comes with a modified version of APT for RPMs. It also has a seperate easy update manager. Yum (Yellowdog update manager) and their GUI frontend, Up2Date.
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#9 Posted by altermind on 08 Apr 2004 - 01:50
- lindows, windows.... same to me
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#10 Posted by werejag on 08 Apr 2004 - 05:46
QUOTE Last week Judge Coughenour denied our request to block Microsoft's international legal barrage against Lindows.com. Two years ago Microsoft tried to stop Lindows in a U.S. court, but they were denied. Recently, they started piling on lawsuits from around the world attempting to achieve the same result. At the same time, Microsoft is publicly demanding that the EU respect the U.S. court actions concerning their monopolistic behavior and not impose their own rulings. Microsoft hypocritically has no such respect for the U.S. court decision which determined we can operate under the term Lindows pending a final resolution of the litigation.
this is why im standing up for lindows even thou i didnt like the os personally-
#10.1 Posted by STV on 08 Apr 2004 - 09:57
- plain and simple, lindows was called lindows because of windows and this is why microsoft may not respect the US court's decision on this matter. I would have to go with microsoft on this one.
STV
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#11 Posted by DOGglee on 08 Apr 2004 - 10:04
- microsoft rules!!!
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#12 Posted by dougkinzinger on 08 Apr 2004 - 11:51
- Lindows New Slogan:
Lindows. "We're about as ghey as the chick with the eyeball jewelry."
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#13 Posted by darksoul on 08 Apr 2004 - 13:53
- it is plan and simple lindows is named such to emphasize it's "similarity" to MS Windows and possibly dupe a few people into buying lindows thinking they are getting MS Windows cause they don't know better.
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#14 Posted by insurektion on 08 Apr 2004 - 14:02
- Oh yes everyone bitch that since Microsoft is a huge company it should have to take sh*t like a blatent ripoff of its OS Name.<sarcasm> I think Lindows is completely original and well though out name. Damn Microsoft always stepping on the little man. </sarcasm>
Why can't anyone here think rationally, Im pretty sure if I made my own (or modified an existing) OS and called in Winsux, or Wicrosoft Mindows PX. I would be infringing on Microsofts market name. Debian, Gentoo, or Mandrake names however resmble nothing of Microsofts creation. Therefore they arent getting forced to change their name.
Also MS isnt even suing Lindows they are merely asking (or forcing now) them to change their name. -
#14.1 Posted by werejag on 09 Apr 2004 - 00:12
- nope you wouldnt be infringing on Microsofts market name. see the original court case that microsoft has lost.
they are suing Lindows in courts outside us becuase they lost the original case in the us while complaining that the eu is antitrust casing them
why dont you do some research
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The company said it would no longer be using the Lindows name - which Microsoft says undermines its Windows brand - outside the US. Lindows has faced a barrage of legal challenges from Microsoft over the past three years. It is already prevented from using its name in much of Europe.
Name game
Courts in Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands have ruled against the Lindows brand. And Microsoft wants Dutch authorities to fine the firm for not blocking internet users in the Benelux countries from accessing is website. Microsoft has filed similar action against Lindows in France, Spain, Canada and Mexico, as well as the US. Lindows has now conceded that it cannot keep the brand going outside the US, and says it will unveil a new international identity next week.
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