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Bush Seeks More High-Speed Internet Access, Tax Ban

configure   on 27 April 2004 - 14:36 · 43 comments & 3226 views

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President Bush on Monday urged the U.S. Congress to make Internet access permanently tax free and to reduce regulations so high-speed access can be universally available by 2007.

Bush complained that the United States was ranked 10th in the deployment of broadband, or high-speed access. To help boost that rank, he signed an order for the government to make it easier for broadband facilities to be built on federal land.

"If you want broadband access throughout the society, Congress must ban taxes on access," Bush told the American Association of Community Colleges annual convention. "Clear out the underbrush of regulation and we'll get the spread of broadband technology and America will be better for it."

Bush's broadband push coincides with debate beginning in the U.S. Senate on whether to renew or make permanent a ban that bars taxes on Internet access. Lawmakers are split on whether a ban would boost innovation and the roll-out of new technologies or deprive states and local governments of much needed funds.

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(13 replies) #1 markjensen on 27 Apr 2004 - 14:39
This from the US President who has abandoned the "president@whitehouse.gov" email address in favor of a form-filling process that informs him if you are for or against his policies and generates a form letter in the end.

I think this is a good idea, but I don't trust the guy.
#1.1 YaddaMe on 27 Apr 2004 - 15:33
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This from the US President who has abandoned the "president@whitehouse.gov" email address in favor of a form-filling process that informs him if you are for or against his policies and generates a form letter in the end.

If you are gonna make something up, why not go hog wild & say he only communicate telepathically or something.
#1.2 markjensen on 27 Apr 2004 - 15:57
What is your problem?

I have actually gone through the process. I clicked all the crappy options and categorization menus I had to select to submit my message (which, by the way, will send you a link to commit the submission, so you need to use your real email address).

About a week after the submission, I get a .pdf form letter emailed to me as "the response from the President of the United States".

How dare you come on here with a crass comment claiming this is fictitious, when you obviously have no clue. Give it a try and see for youself.
#1.3 Jstphish on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:04
I don't see how "a form-filling process that informs him if you are for or against his policies" is relavent. If you don't want him to know then give him false info. It really doesn't matter. Even if it were an email address he was using the people who read these letters get a pretty good idea of what your political views are just by reading your letter.
#1.4 markjensen on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:08
My original point was that it used to be easy to send communication to the President. Now, it has been mucked-up (under this administration) into some unnecessarily convoluted process.

And, to top if off, all you will get is a form letter on the sub-topic you selected. Nothing regarding the content of your message.
#1.5 YaddaMe on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:19
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How dare you come on here with a crass comment claiming this is fictitious, when you obviously have no clue. Give it a try and see for youself.


1) http://www.whitehouse.gov
2) click "Contact"
3) "president@whitehouse.gov is in full view (no forms to fill out).
"Give it a try and see for youself"


The form you filled out was a new way to contact the Whitehouse staff.... and the form is needed to direct it to the proper office/staff.

The President's email is still fully functional, not abandoned as you suggest... and thats why I made the joke about making stuff up (which was made in jest, not crudeness).


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top if off, all you will get is a form letter on the sub-topic you selected. Nothing regarding the content of your message.

Well, it does say it's the "automated e-mail response system". Im sure they read it, but can't possibly think they'll respond to each piece of mail individually do ya?

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#1.6 ryuh3d on 27 Apr 2004 - 17:39
markjensen -- Owned in real life? K, thanks.

YaddaMe -- you da man.
#1.7 markjensen on 27 Apr 2004 - 18:05
I see that things have changed recently, then, at their site.

If you had looked fairly recently, you would not have had the "president@whitehouse.gov" address. Indeed, that address sent automated messages back informing the sender that this email address may not be monitored, and your email may not be read.

There must have been a bunch of people angry, as I was, at this.

Sample news article of the time: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconva...ley/6330165.htm

I am glad that someone knocked some sense into GW. He did eliminate the email address, and set up the awkward form-based system. Apparently he had a change of mind.
#1.8 DELTA75329 on 27 Apr 2004 - 21:03
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I see that things have changed recently, then, at their site.

If you had looked fairly recently, you would not have had the "president@whitehouse.gov" address. Indeed, that address sent automated messages back informing the sender that this email address may not be monitored, and your email may not be read.

There must have been a bunch of people angry, as I was, at this.

Sample news article of the time: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconva...ley/6330165.htm

I am glad that someone knocked some sense into GW. He did eliminate the email address, and set up the awkward form-based system. Apparently he had a change of mind.

Wrong answer. The correct response is: "Opps, my bad."
#1.9 CrimandEvil on 27 Apr 2004 - 21:16
LOL
DELTA75329, that would mean that he was wrong and his statements *weren't* stupid, misinformed and clearly biased.
I find it very funny how "some people" just read things online and take it as gospel, markjensen you do realize that the sitting President doesn't read every email that is sent right? I would even say that he doesn't read a single email at all. Hell Clinton is know for senting only two emails himself.

<Hates it when the stupidies people scream the loudest on a soap box >
#1.10 DELTA75329 on 27 Apr 2004 - 21:38
I didn't validate his statement. Rather the reverse. He was wrong and got called on it, then he decided to keep whining. AS IF he had a basis to do so in the first place. He should have just taken it like a man and simply went with the smart "I made a mistake" answer.

On the plus side, it was nice to see him get his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Not often you get entertainment like that.
#1.11 CrimandEvil on 27 Apr 2004 - 22:07
Yes it was very funny, and I was agreeing with you.
#1.12 neufuse on 27 Apr 2004 - 22:13
if you mean this form...https://sawho14.eop.gov/PERSdata/intro.htm that has been there since clinton, and is just an alternative to the president@whitehouse.gov email address... you can do one or the other
#1.13 DELTA75329 on 28 Apr 2004 - 01:07
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Yes it was very funny, and I was agreeing with you.

Um. I knew that. Really. I was-- I was just testing you. Yea..that sounds about right.
(3 replies) #2 Sawyer12 on 27 Apr 2004 - 14:43
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Bush complained that the United States was ranked 10th in the deployment of broadband, or high-speed access.


Yeah have u seen the size of America lately They arent going to roll out broadband quicker than smaller countries.
#2.1 Danik XP on 27 Apr 2004 - 15:02
Yeah, well we're allways bragging about how we're soooooo technologicly (sp?) advanced and that no other country can compare to the US. So we have a choice:
1. STFU
2. Do as we say.
#2.2 pctuk on 27 Apr 2004 - 17:43
That measurement will be a ratio based on number of connections per 1000 users, making size irrelevant.
#2.3 darksoul on 27 Apr 2004 - 21:50
it makes geographic size very relevant which is the size i assume Sawyer is refering too
#3 yert* on 27 Apr 2004 - 15:00
Wow, I'm surprised
(4 replies) #4 YaddaMe on 27 Apr 2004 - 15:35
Banning taxes on access is a good idea.

However... there should be some kinda sales tax put in place imho.
#4.1 Skyfrog on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:04
I'm not sure how that would work, unless they made it a national sales tax.
#4.2 Jstphish on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:04
Taxing access is completely different from taxing the sale of goods online. You don't have to buy anything on the internet to use the it.

[EDIT] Skyfrog, I guess you got it before I finished posting. oops[/EDIT]
#4.3 Skyfrog on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:06
Yeah, I misread his post the first time around. My mistake.
#4.4 jb347 on 27 Apr 2004 - 17:55
I agree about banning taxes on access.

For most states, there is already a sales tax on internet purchases - provided you are buying something in-state.

For out-of-state purchases, many states (including where I live... NY) have a line on your state tax forms where you declare these purchases. It's up to the consumer to declare these purchases.

I myself have bought stuff online and I didn't declare anything. If I wasn't taxed the ridiculous amount of 8.25% on virtually everything I may be more inclined to actually do this. Until they get serious about enforcing it, I'm not gonna bother giving them more of my money.
(4 replies) #5 Jstphish on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:07
Is there a tax on POTS (plain old telephone system) telephone service? I don't really know.
#5.1 djsaad1 on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:13
yeah there is, there is actually a bunch of taxes on normal telephone services. At least thats how it is here in texas.
#5.2 Skyfrog on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:16
Telephone Tax

Also where I live they add school taxes and maybe a few other things onto your phone and electric bills.
#5.3 Jstphish on 27 Apr 2004 - 16:20
So it is a federal tax not state. Thanks for the link Skyfrog!

Hmm ... I'll have to think of whether I agree with getting rid of a tax on internet access or not.
#5.4 Yvo on 27 Apr 2004 - 18:13
But we really can't complain about POTS even if were being taxed.

A lot of European countries you pay the same amount as we do but they still get charged by the minute when they are calling to a next door neighbor.

That is one of the reasons GSM (cell phones) took off.
#6 alice.in.wonderland on 27 Apr 2004 - 17:20
Yeah! I like that. The president is gonna kick some nice ass with this. Ban taxes, yayyyyyy!!!! whooooohoooooooo fast internet for less that $50 or ha ha $48 would be great as well.
#7 Zepolcire on 27 Apr 2004 - 17:21
For what ever reason, I just thought of his daddy saying "Read my lips, no...new...taxes"
#8 Kevine on 27 Apr 2004 - 18:12
Stupid Bush... America needs to rise 9 spots.. if it rises 10 spots we would be ZERO!
#9 GamerZ on 27 Apr 2004 - 18:47
USA 10th?

Then Singapore must be 7310321931388409th
(2 replies) #10 Grappa on 27 Apr 2004 - 20:24
If you ask me, it's not the tax on broadband that's so damn expensive. It's what the providers are charging.

Oh, but that would cut into Big Business Profits. And we all know where Bu$h stands with that.
#10.1 nic on 27 Apr 2004 - 20:38
Big Buisnesses that run broadband services would just add whatever tax they have to pay on top of your bill.

Think about it......
#10.2 JrDZ13 on 28 Apr 2004 - 02:11
True, but bush is obviously keeping taxes off broadband to make it seem like he is supporting better prices for the consumer, and therefore encouraging growth in broadband speed/availability. However, his support of Big Buisness is what is really holding back the broadband market.
#11 thexfile on 27 Apr 2004 - 23:49
I'm still not voting for Bush like it really matters when the majority of votes gets vetoed by the government.
#12 Sushubh on 28 Apr 2004 - 02:28
atleast he knows what broadband is.
my PM (Vajpayee) would not know what internet is.
(1 reply) #13 Joshie on 28 Apr 2004 - 11:36
And yet, I'd pay a tax if it meant I could upload faster than 30K/sec. *mumble*
#13.1 Billprozac on 28 Apr 2004 - 13:18
Amen Joshie! Faster uploads and no port blocking (80, 21, 25, etc.)
#14 Tropical Dream on 28 Apr 2004 - 14:55
if the US stands in 10th place for the deployment of broadband...
what are the other countries in first and second place??
#15 nicedreams on 29 Apr 2004 - 04:50
That is the only thing I like about the guy now...
#16 Cracell on 29 Apr 2004 - 15:12
Hotspots for everyone!!!. anyways sounds good but he's just talking he can't really actually do anything concerning internet, the tax thing, sure sounds good y not (except for the freakin national defict), but the fcc needs to cut back some controls

FYI: I don't want Bush to be president but he's better the Mr Kerry (you gotta love the catholics being pissed at kerry, and his comments on it on hilarious, I mean if he doesn't get elected I can see him on Comedy Central, bush is pretty funny too,. though, hmm they could be partners

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