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Wal-Mart turns on radio tags

NTUsEr   on 30 April 2004 - 17:35 · 19 comments & 3260 views

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Wal-Mart has launched a pilot program using radio frequency identification technology, as it moves ahead with plans for all its top suppliers to be using the inventory-tracking tags by January, the retail giant said Friday.

The pilot program is a significant step in Wal-Mart's much-publicized mandate for the technology known as RFID. Wal-Mart is requiring the company's top 100 suppliers to have the technology in place by the beginning of next year. RFID tags are chips armed with radio frequency antennas that provide detailed product information and allow for better tracking of inventory. Wal-Mart believes it can garner major savings by using the tags to improve its overall inventory management. Wal-Mart said it turned on an RFID tracking system at eight sites in the Dallas area, including seven of its "supercenters" and one of its distribution centers. Joining Wal-Mart in the pilot is a laundry list of major consumer products vendors: Gillette, Hewlett-Packard, Johnson & Johnson, Kimberly-Clark, Kraft Foods, Nestle Purina PetCare, Procter & Gamble and Unilever.

Executives from the Bentonville, Ark.-based retail chain said they believe the pilot will immediately demonstrate the efficiency inherent in using the tags. Simon Longford, Wal-Mart's strategy manager for RFID, said his company remains committed to having the technology up and running on a much larger scale in the near future.


News source: C|net


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#1 lotus22 on 30 Apr 2004 - 18:43
sweet
(2 replies) #2 NPGMBR on 30 Apr 2004 - 19:30
What the article fails to mention is whether this technology will allow Wal-Mart to find stolen items within a certain radius of their store.

I find that much more interesting than knowing how much of a product is on a shelf.
#2.1 YaddaMe on 30 Apr 2004 - 20:44
I think you, or whomever you got that info from, has a mis-understanding of what RFID is.

The article fails to mention what you state becuase while it could idenitfy stolen goods, it's can't locate them. RFID is an identification technology, not a tracking technology.

Currently their range is only about 10-20 feet.... so even if it could locate stolen goods, it wouldnt be beyond the first few rows of the parking lot. The parking lot would most likely also have several purchased items of the same product... so you'd have to know the uid of the specific stolen item to even distinguish it from the purchased ones... soemthing that is basically impossible by the method in which the system is being rolled out.

Also, to be noted is that range is quoted for open space without interference... you can be holding a tagged RFID item in your hand and chances are good the scanners wouldn't pick it up.

RFID as an anti-theft or recovery device? It's Useless

RFID is nothing more than a unique serial number of sorts that can be read via a radio. A serial number is great to identify the product once it's been found, but a serial number is useless in actually finding the product.

Last edited by 10547 on 30 Apr 2004 - 21:03
#2.2 Pulse_Instance on 03 May 2004 - 07:22
From my limited understanding of RFID technology, I agree with most of what you are saying but I do think it could be extremely useful in the area of preemtive theft control. If the tags have a code in them that says unpurchased, that can be switched to purchased, that makes it possible to tell whether or not a good has been purchased. Using triangulation it is very easy to tell precisely where a radio single is being transmitted from, have 3 readers close to the exit of the store, have these scanners look for unpurchased goods. Now that you know where the would be stolen goods are you could use some nifty programs to overlay this information on top of a top down view of the exit way, as well as even slightly more nifty programs to overlay the information on a security monitor of the exit to allow for even faster recognition of the would be theive.


A short disclaimer follows:
1. I do not know everything about RFID
2. Another person on the forum may have already said something along these lines

PS. I am a computer engineer, I do know that it would be easy to implement the hardware stage of what I laid out, but when I said nifty for the programming I mean unless you were to modify some sort of existing program that already does stuff like this it could be very difficult to write. Followed by the whole system needing precise calibration so you don't have security guards strip searching some old granny who brought her grandchildren in for McDonalds, instead of the 30 year old, 90 pound weekling who looks like he is 230 pounds because he has $1000 worth of DVD's and video games stuffed in his jacket.
(2 replies) #3 Ironman273 on 30 Apr 2004 - 21:26
I think the best use of RFID is when you're able to walk through a checkout lane and have it read all the items at once without the cashier having to scan each one.
#3.1 YaddaMe on 30 Apr 2004 - 23:41
While RFID provides some advantages over the traditionally used UPC code, products would still have to be individually scanned, one at a time.
Thatis... until some significant strides are made to improving it's accuracy of reading 100% of tags accurately, 100% of the time... which it is not even close to doing yet).

Like I stated above, RFID is still at a stage where scanners often have times reading the tag when held in the hand... a shopping cart, filled with many items would pose even more of problem of everything getting read.


And fwiw... even when the possibility of doing what you suggests comes around... there's gonna be a whole hoard of people who will refuse to check-out in such a manner..... all those old ladies just love to watch each individually item ring up one at a time so they can question the price of every 5th item
#3.2 Octol on 01 May 2004 - 01:02
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all those old ladies just love to watch each individually item ring up one at a time so they can question the price of every 5th item


Ain't that the truth!
(2 replies) #4 brew crew on 30 Apr 2004 - 21:41
If you believe this article you are a fool. RFID technology has been secretly used by Walmart, as well as many other companies for several years now, not only in the US, but Canada, Australia and Britian. This is nothing new. Walmart is full of s h i t. Walmart's word is about as good as George Bush's is.

Welcome to The New World Order.
#4.1 D4F1N on 30 Apr 2004 - 21:46
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Welcome to The New World Order


first baked beans,
next human 'beans' :shifty:

WAKE UP PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!
#4.2 YaddaMe on 30 Apr 2004 - 23:28
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If you believe this article you are a fool. RFID technology has been secretly used by Walmart.

No where did the article state this was the first use of RFID by WalMart. It was widely publicized that there were some test products using RFID last year in WalMart... they've just taken their use of the technology to the next step on their way to wide-usage.

ps. they're after you
(1 reply) #5 toadeater on 30 Apr 2004 - 22:20
I hacked Wal-Mart.
#5.1 sodapop on 01 May 2004 - 01:28
Better watch that. That's terrorist activity and will land you in guantanamo bay without access to a lawyer.
#6 netstarman on 01 May 2004 - 03:06
well at least it should cut down on the five finger walk on the stuff that the morons shouldnt be stealing.
(1 reply) #7 kxgard3 on 01 May 2004 - 03:20
I work at Wal-Mart and do stock at night and I for one support this it will be much easier to do inventory. Inventory is less then 2 weeks away for my store and we are having to search every where to find every product. It would make it so much better.

Also counting the products will be easier, no more errors where massivie amounts of product gets shipped because some one forgot to count it.
#7.1 LiGhTfast on 01 May 2004 - 10:31
Same in England mate

will probably put me outta of a job
#8 Galley on 01 May 2004 - 14:16
We have a grocery store located in a poor neighborhood, and shoppers would take the shopping carts (or "buggies" as we call them down here in the South) home with them. Buggies are several hundreds of dollars apiece, so they came up with a slick solution. Now, once the buggy reaches the perimeter of the parking lot, a brake engages and it can no longer be pushed. Brilliant!
#9 SimplyPotatoes on 01 May 2004 - 17:14
neato
(1 reply) #10 Post-It Note on 01 May 2004 - 19:52
Won't this just increase costs......
#10.1 YaddaMe on 01 May 2004 - 20:00
For the time being.

Right now they are pretty expensive to be put on cheaper items... costing somewhere around $0.23 each last report I read. Granted that was a lil while back, so I'd assume they've gone down in cost since then.. probably around $0.10-$0.15 each now.

But rest assured, while RFID technology will undoubtedly save some cash for WalMart, it adds to the cost of the suppliers.... and niether they, noe WalMart are eating this expense themselves.... they'll be passing it onto the consumer. But by the time it rolls-out to widespread usage, they'll only cost a few pennies a piece and will hardly be noticable on your receipt.

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