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Oh, coming outta the closet are we?

They did that with SP1 - It's nothing new

and that worked well didnt it!!! lol

Yes it blocked the keys it intended to.

hehehe, but what good is that when soeone creates a PID/key changer just like with sp1...

or an sp2 release with no pid checking (the end-user-runtime )

Most copy protections are designed to prevent newb's and casual copies; anyone who thinks their system is foolproof is very naive.

so and this means what to illegal copies? nothing

i agree too. People dont pay for it, they dont deserve support, simple as that.

For home edition: $91
For professional: $140

Sounds stupid, but if MS supported the pirated OS's they would be making the internet a better place. I think that they should be responsible for there software and it vulnerabilities. To me this even includes PC's with illegal copies. Because those vulnerable nodes on the net can be turned into an army of zombie MS boxes to wreak havok.

Besides, MS makes there cash from businesses with hundres of boxes, not from a couple of skuzzy pirates who can't afford the real thing.

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they dont deserve support

first off, i must laugh at that statement. Support from windows? if you need help with windows...you might need help walking...or maybe reading. Second, if you are dumb enough to only be able to contact msft about their product and how to get support, please take a peek at my good friend www.google.com

That isn't fair. Using a computer isn't easy.

yout taking it out of context to justify your ridiculous argument. Support includes patches, and since its commercial software, using a pirated version of the software does not entitle one to it. Simple as that.

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That isn't fair. Using a computer isn't easy.

Using a computer IS easy if you have a high enough IQ.

Those people with double digit IQ's shouldn't get any special treatment, they are stupid.

wow attack people that rather not pay Microsoft for buggy software. Microsoft gives away OSes everyday all you have to do is look.

the IQ of someone is not determined by them buying software!! it more like the opposite if you want a blanket statement

I will never pay for a microsoft product, all the worms and wholes and viruses that get threw, etc etc, the product is not worth what they charge therefore i will not pay it. I will download acopy and crack it or find a cracked version and forgo the $191 as stated above. I do believe in paying for software that people make and feel it is important to pay people for their time, just not microsoft. I think bill gates has enought money and i will not pay for windows or office. Anything else i will gladly fork over some dough.

Nuff said.

People like you should be banned from Neowin!

It shows that you know NOTHING about the inner-workings of MS software, otherwise you would realise that it is totally worth the money, even more than they're asking for it.

you must be proud of yourself

And all the software on your computer is legal..?

You don't deserve to have a PC. You deserve to be beaten repeatedly with a large stick.

#6: hah! I actually read your name as 'wstolekey' at first glance.

[LOSER ALERT]

half these chumps who put down software pirates probably have a nice beefy collection themselves and just need to feel better about themselves by riding a bandwagon and putting down others.

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#6: hah! I actually read your name as 'wstolekey' at first glance.

rofl

Funny, when you guys praise eMule and BT. You guys shoot yourselves in the foot by shooting piracy. Great thinking assholes.

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Funny, when you guys praise eMule and BT. You guys shoot yourselves in the foot by shooting piracy. Great thinking assholes.

how so? Last time I checked, quite a bit of legitimate material is made available on BT, just about EVERY LINUX DISTRO and plenty of old time audio. If you can't be precise, don't bother attacking anyone, just sit back and get used to it. great thinking asshole.

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how so? Last time I checked, quite a bit of legitimate material is made available on BT, just about EVERY LINUX DISTRO and plenty of old time audio. If you can't be precise, don't bother attacking anyone, just sit back and get used to it. great thinking asshole.

Yeah, that sure accounts for all the links to pirate BT sites that appear all over the neowin.net forums.

BTW, you dyslexic, or did you just forget to mention eMule? Oh yeah, it's legitimate because it has trial version of XP all over the ED2K network. My bad.

OMG!! U R 1337 HAX0R!

WOW you should be proud of yourself. Loser.

Ass-kisser.

hah wtf is up with everyone and their high horses now. jesus.

you lot donwload music but then shout when someone does not have a paid for xp...

I agree with 1.4, you see it everywhere, people are up their own asses now because they have a copy of XP they probably wouldn't have bought had it not come with their store-bought Dell's.

As for the story though, well you can hardly blame Microsoft for blocking keys, it's their OS after all

damn sorry double posted it

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I am against people who call pirates losers. At least the pirates aren't stupid.

If you had a choice, which would it be:

1) to get something for no money at all

2) to pay insane amounts of money for something you can get for no money at all

Who cares about Microsoft support, if you have a triple digit IQ you should be fine. Google, Newsgroups, IRC Channels. SP2 keys will be easy to make, they broke it before. I doubt Microsoft even changed their encryption, they said they just blocked known pirate codes.

Of course, that's if your dumb enough to use Windows in the first place.

what's too good about microsoft not making the life of pirates harder by forcing them at the very least to update software keys, and at worst be stuck with out of date software?

surely now they've confirmed the opposite it's better news?

"Palladilium"? Wow.

Im not mad at MS, it is just that people are reporting false stories about MS.

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what's too good about microsoft not making the life of pirates harder by forcing them at the very least to update software keys, and at worst be stuck with out of date software?

Ah, the joys of pirating...

Pirates rule. They aren't stupid enough to pay the ridiculous fees Microsoft charges for software. And palladium is just another word for Big Brother.

you still can, if you install them one at a time.

But even then, someone in the world may be purchasing a counterfeit without knowing it.

The reason people think they should allow the install on non-legal versions of XP is because otherwise, you'll get whole botnets building up around the unpatched holes on illegal versions, and these botnets will hit even ligitimate users with spam, DDoS, etc etc. Allowing illegal users to patch up is better for the legal users (and the whole rest of the internet who have no part in this, like Mac, Linux, Unix, BeOS, QNX users and servers).

Well, that is what they get for running illegal versions.

no, it's what you get... that's the point of his point, the bad apples harm the good apples.

Pirated copies should at the least only get critical updates. That way they don't harm the actual legit users. M$ is completely right on this issue, but I'm sure it wouldn't be a major problem to allow critical updates to get distributed freely. I'm not sure about the numbers, but already if you connect to the net with an unsecure computer you get attacked by various worms. The critical updates would make an unsecure new and legit computer safer and not a subserviant of some virus.

Wow, If I thought like you, I'd be throwing away money like an idiot. Instead of paying the thousands of dollars (net amount) on software, you could be adding to your kids' college funds or putting a downpayment on a car. I mean, think about it, you'd rather pay $1500 on Windows XP and Office just so you can say, I SUPPORTED MS YAHOOOOOO, or, thinking about the people that could give less of a **** about it, realizing that the industry is supersaturated with pirates and paying $0 for it. I mean, do you see my point here? Why should people support Microsoft's monopolistic ways? They only got where they are right now because it took a guy like Bill Gates to realize the potential back in 1975. Since then, many companies dared to compete with Microsoft and most of the ones that did, were brought down. Now, Microsoft rules the utility software market with billions of dollars in profit because of monopolistic competition. Don't get me wrong, I admire this company's monstrous success but I rebute on the fact that they make their profits the way they do.

so you're saying that you wouldn't mind getting hit by someone in a stolen car and not getting any insurance money for your wounds and damage to your vehicle??????

You won't get money from the thief's insurance, but you'll get money from the theif by sueing him.

If he's a thief, he probably won't have many assets or a job.

Good for you. You little pirate you.

If you roll your eyes too much, you might get cancer.

he already has it !

Most virus writers are dumb-ass script kiddies.

they should make software free. go opensource!!!one11. i thi nk im going to jump on the linux bandwagon.

hackers do contribute to software development. if they can break the anti-theft on the betas, ms would patch it up for hte final.

Most virus writers use the horrific language Visual Basic.

Programming shouldn't be easy.

Eeh?

I'm not sure anyone is saying that it's "wrong"

Advertised? Wow! Now they're charging for KeyGens ???

Yep, one 643 and one 649 here on the same beta.

Exactly.

I can't talk for everyone, but I have no illegal and pirated games or programs. Everyone needs money, the employees at Microsoft, the store where I bought my goods. I'm not willing to steal a product for my usage and not re-inburse someone who spent their time, money, and effort getting it to me.

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lower the prices for the software, and most people will pay for it.

I doubt it. For some people it might be a money issue, but for other's it's just not wanting to pay for it. There's not much that can be done about those people, you can't get cheaper than free.

i agree with you, i would pay for xp but my parents wont and i dont have any money. the only alternative is windows ME*shuddres.*

i have bought some MS software though. i bought encarta 20003 for 14 dollars at costco and they have version 2004 now for 10 bucks . i can download encarta from BT or kazaa or whatever, but at prices like that, there is no need to. and i dont feel like ive stolem something. if longhorn retails for fifty bucks, ill buy it. but im probably gonna buy it anyway at whatever price(within reason) cause im excited for it.

XP Corp has a cd key dont it so what do you think

10 pounds of what?