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How Microsoft Is Clipping Longhorn

malebolgia   on 21 May 2004 - 19:10 · 16 comments & 372 views

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Never in its history has Microsoft had to wait so long between Windows releases. When Windows XP launched in October, 2001, researcher Gartner Inc. expected the software giant to gin up a new version within two years. But Microsoft's ambitious follow-up to Windows XP, code-named Longhorn, has bogged down in delays. The company rarely discloses timelines for products, lest it miss its targets. But in copies of two e-mail messages obtained by BusinessWeek, Microsoft lays out a roadmap that shows Longhorn debuting in the first six months of 2006.

What's more, the e-mails disclose Microsoft's plans to cut some of the most far-reaching pieces of Longhorn in order to get the product shipped. For instance, Microsoft had planned to overhaul the file system, the way information is stored. The goal had been to change the way files relate to one another, so that users could quickly find documents, e-mail, and photos that have some connection to one another. It would be easy, for example, to locate not just digital photos, but e-mail from people in them. It's an enormous undertaking.

To get Longhorn out the door in its new timeframe, Microsoft has curbed its ambition. In a Mar. 4 e-mail to Windows workers, Vice-President Joe Peterson broke the news: "I think we all recognize that we need to turn the corner on Longhorn," Peterson wrote. On Mar. 19, he outlined how Microsoft plans to scale back: "We are going to focus on doing fewer things, and doing them well." The current plan calls for the file system to work on PCs but not extend to files shared over a corporate network.

News source: BusinessWeek


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(1 reply) #1 Jason on 21 May 2004 - 19:18
They are clipping features you never knew were included.

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#1.1 STV on 21 May 2004 - 19:32
exactly, features that the average joe user wouldnt even want to use. but i understand that it is important to the future of windows, better late than never i guess (on that whole file system thing for networks).

STV
#2 Spectre on 21 May 2004 - 19:33
i'm perfectly happy with winfs-searching just for my hard drive. it's not like i would search for files on a corporate network very often anyway ...
(3 replies) #3 Jason on 21 May 2004 - 19:44
You would be supprised how many corporate users would use that feature.
#3.1 STV on 21 May 2004 - 19:51
well more than likely because of this "longhorn wave" that microsoft is putting together, it would probably be a free add on and such, so i wouldnt worry too much about this.

STV
#3.2 leojei on 22 May 2004 - 04:11
I'm not sure if I'm mistaken or not, but I remember sometime ago I read something about how MS think of Longhorn and "they don't intend to make Longhorn for power-users..." (which I interpret it as they're pointing to the newbies to Windows) and want to get ppl doing the right thing.

Corporate users aren't newbies I think so guess MS isn't targetting them this time.
I personally think that WinFS is a feature for home-comp users, there should be replacement(s) from MS Office team or other server team to offer similar technology to corporate users...... who knows~
#3.3 Jason on 22 May 2004 - 11:35
Winfs is mostly a corporate feature not really a home user tool
(3 replies) #4 Knight' on 21 May 2004 - 19:56
Perhaps they should release:

Windows 2006 - Home (No WinFS)
Windows 2007 - Corperate (WinFS)

?
#4.1 Mav Phoenix on 21 May 2004 - 20:14
I suspect it will be a sys admin tool in the server version of LH, designed specifically for node searches among corp networks with some form of downloadable module conduit for the clients (so they can link up with the server).
#4.2 icecaveman on 21 May 2004 - 20:38
I thought WinFS was still in Longhorn, only WinFS over networks would not be included in the client version.
#4.3 Jason on 21 May 2004 - 21:39
Winfs is one of the 3 main pillars of Longhorn.
#5 Slugbait on 21 May 2004 - 21:12
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Never in its history has Microsoft had to wait so long between Windows releases
Part of the reason behind this is because MS finally killed off the 16/32 hybrid operating systems, and went exclusively to NT. Otherwise, it seemed a "version" of Windows released every year or two.
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researcher Gartner Inc. expected the software giant to gin up a new version within two years
Just because it only took about two years to go from NT5 to NT5.1 doesn't necessarily mean they would do a full-version release that fast. Point releases are usually pretty quick, anyway...for example, when they did it from NT3.1 to NT3.5 in just over a year. But then it was three and 1/2 years between release dates of NT4 to NT5.

The full-version release of each operating system was substantially different than the previous one before it. Longhorn is substantially more complicated than NT5.x, just as NT5.x was substantially more complicated than NT4. NT5's ship date slipped significantly from the original plan, it shouldn't be a surprise to Gartner that Longhorn is slipping.
#6 Foub on 21 May 2004 - 22:38
Sounds more like castration to me.
(2 replies) #7 nexx on 22 May 2004 - 01:15
Well I'd rather have less features that worked properly, than a lot of features that that hardly work at all.

Whether or not it's worth waiting 5 or so years for these fewer features we will see.
#7.1 STV on 22 May 2004 - 04:16
exactly, they so badly want to get it right, and then build on top of that. its like building a house, once the foundation is stable, then and only then, can you effectively build on top of it.

i think it is more designing and architecture than it is coding. because once it is designed and figured out, coding will be easier. but still this "sacrifice" is supposed to hold the windows OS for another 10-20 years before another overhaul. so at this point patience is good.

STV
#7.2 leojei on 22 May 2004 - 04:19
agree, MS needs more ppl to use Windows (there will never be "enough" ppl btw)...

From a user perspective, having couple of sound-promising features, but with a poor-implementations, is a wrongful thing to do. People should see it in XP's original ICF (Internet Connection Firewall, aka Windows Firewall now), which SP2 finally really presents it to the world.

WinFS is a good idea, I just hope MS wouldn't screw it up!
Have you guys seen the implementation demos from MS? Grab one of the 4 (or 5) videos and take a look at how MS think about WinFS. If applications be able to do what the demos are doing, that would be awesome!!~ (note the demos are playing roles of corporate users, while MS plans to make Longhorn idiot-proof...~)

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