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Microsoft creating Windows for supercomputers

malebolgia   on 24 May 2004 - 22:16 · 68 comments & 6034 views

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Microsoft has launched an effort to produce a version of Windows for high-performance computing, a move seen as a direct attack on a Linux stronghold.

High-performance computing once required massive, expensive, exotic machines from companies such as Cray, but the field is being remade by the arrival of clusters of low-end machines. While the trend could be considered an opportunity for Microsoft, which has long been the leading operating-system company, Linux has actually become the favored software used on these clusters.

Now Microsoft has begun its response, forming its High Performance Computing team and planning a new OS version called Windows Server HPC Edition. Kyril Faenov is director of the effort, and Microsoft is hiring new managers, programmers, testers and others. The Redmond, Wash.-based software colossus has its work cut out in the market--and knows it. "Winning in this important space against entrenched Linux/open-source software competition requires creativity, innovation, speed of execution, and deep engagements with hardware, software and academic partners," reads a job posting for a program manager responsible for setting up the team's academic partnerships.

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#1 Mav Phoenix on 24 May 2004 - 22:20
Awesome.
(21 replies) #2 amdme2600 on 24 May 2004 - 22:22
He is stupid just look at that crap.

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#2.1 Jason on 24 May 2004 - 22:27
No you are for telling someone their stupid because they posted a personal opinion.
#2.2 STV on 24 May 2004 - 22:37
actually it is you're stupid.

STV
#2.3 Radium on 24 May 2004 - 22:47
HEHE STV.


Jason, it's they're.
#2.4 Mav Phoenix on 24 May 2004 - 23:04


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#2.5 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 00:10
*removed*

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#2.6 sdkaneda on 25 May 2004 - 00:31
You're only supposed to capitalize proper nouns.

e.g.

I'm a lamer who does not know his grammar and I like Cereal (wrong!)

I'm a lamer who does not know his grammar and I like Corn Flakes (there ya go!)
#2.7 sputnik on 25 May 2004 - 00:51
he how relevant
#2.8 shockz on 25 May 2004 - 01:01
Oooh... time to give out some warnings.
#2.9 ZTrang on 25 May 2004 - 01:36
QUOTE (#2.6)
You're only supposed to capitalize proper nouns.

Unless you speak German, in which case you capitalize EVERY noun (but that's off topic; however, maybe our grammar-impaired poster is a German-speaker at heart )
#2.10 STV on 25 May 2004 - 01:43
amdme2600, i didnt mean anthing bad toward you. just so you know. sorry if you took what i said the wrong way. but i think that if you are gonna call someone stupid, you should say it correctly.

and no, i was not saying that YOU were stupid.

sorry if you took it that way,
STV
#2.11 Octol on 25 May 2004 - 04:33
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I'm a lamer who does not know his grammar and I like Cereal (wrong!)

I'm a lamer who does not know his grammar and I like Corn Flakes (there ya go!)


So, do you use your Cereal Port to download your Corn Flakes?
#2.12 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 04:54
*removed*

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#2.13 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 05:04
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#2.14 snippet1 on 25 May 2004 - 06:58
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Lol you stupid you capitalize the 1st word in a sentence. nice comeback you suck.

He meant only PROPER nouns, as opposed to common nouns.
#2.15 STV on 25 May 2004 - 08:06
well, amdme2600, what more can i say? if you dont accept, i cant do anything about it.

that is all on the subject, take it or leave it.

STV
#2.16 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 09:14

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#2.17 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 09:15
QUOTE (#2.14)
He meant only PROPER nouns, as opposed to common nouns.

Do you think I care?
#2.18 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 09:20
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#2.19 JaggedFlame on 25 May 2004 - 12:40
Dude, give it up. You just made a complete moron out of yourself.
#2.20 PseudoRandomDragon on 25 May 2004 - 16:02
This whole conversation is stupid, from beginning to end, including my comment.
#2.21 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 22:35
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#3 Jason on 24 May 2004 - 22:26
This should be good, I am looking forward to more information on this.

Windows has matured so much that its an ideal progression to move in to the super computer league and I welcome it.
(1 reply) #4 area91 on 24 May 2004 - 22:32
Well, it doesnt surprise me. I bet it will beat Linux.
#4.1 Jason on 24 May 2004 - 22:33
Of course, it will have the full backing and marketing of Microsoft and most companies are familiar with the NT based OS's by now so training should be cheap.

#5 Gary_Player on 24 May 2004 - 22:34
Interesting...I wonder how this will pan out
#6 tiagosilva29 on 24 May 2004 - 22:39
Power!
(5 replies) #7 mrk on 24 May 2004 - 22:54
/me imagines playing doom 3 on a super computer with alienwares dual pci-express boards running dual 6800-ultras


#7.1 Boz on 24 May 2004 - 22:55
you mean Dual ATI X800 Platinum Edition
#7.2 mrk on 24 May 2004 - 23:06
er, no. I mean next generation gaming cards making use of the speed shader model 3 gives for ultimate framerates

those lying ATI scum can kiss my enormously nicely sized butt!
#7.3 cpu killer on 24 May 2004 - 23:09
Please dont get me , or anyone started on another ATi Vs. nVidia discussion ¬¬
Looks good that MS is moving into the super PC highway - go MS .
#7.4 divertom15 on 25 May 2004 - 00:53
there was a reson nvidia compaired SM3 to SM1 and not SM2 in those far cry screenshots. Its because it woulda been harder for people to tell the difference (READ: there isnt much) so using ati is not going to look all that different


and still ati has better image quality on most popular games like halo, TR: AOD, and far cry, prove me wrong on that and ill break my ati card were i stand
#7.5 ZTrang on 25 May 2004 - 01:41
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and still ati has better image quality on most popular games like halo, TR: AOD, and far cry, prove me wrong on that and ill break my ati card were i stand

Back up that response and I'll break my nVidia card where I stand. If you're referring to nVidia's recent problems with Shader 2.0, that's because you seem not to have heard of the recent nVidia driver releases which have solved this problem (albiet at the cost of some framerate). I believe you are listening to third-hand accounts of this problem, and I'll bet you haven't even experienced any so-called nVidia "image problems" yourself. I'll stick with nVidia because I like their drivers more. Also, about the article: Windows... for supercomputers... how many supercomputer users are going to need a slick interface? It seems unnecessary... but maybe Microsoft is trying to broaden the supercomputer market (boy, what a potential source of income )
#8 Boz on 24 May 2004 - 22:54
Guys, Microsoft will show it's pure power and expertise in the next 2-3 years. First Longhorn then HPC will simply bury everything out there. They just need to get some high quality designers for GUIs and they'll be kicking some serious ass in quality. They got a bit sloppy by being sole OS in the past, but I'm glad to see that they are coming back more serious than ever. The bottom line is we, users, gain a lot.
(7 replies) #9 shed2069 on 24 May 2004 - 23:36
Go MS!!!! Linux is EVIL!!!!
#9.1 madd_matt on 24 May 2004 - 23:46
Go Linux!!!! MS is EVIL!!!!!
#9.2 mram on 25 May 2004 - 00:46
What's with the polar responses?

Competition helps consumers. Who cares who is evil. It's only in your head anyway.
#9.3 shed2069 on 25 May 2004 - 01:04
Oh, I know, I know!!! Please make it go away!! Make it leave us alone!!!
#9.4 Ryan92 on 25 May 2004 - 02:44
Go Apple!!! There both evil!!!
#9.5 Octol on 25 May 2004 - 04:39
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What's with the polar responses?


These are guys with Bipolar Disorder.
#9.6 snippet1 on 25 May 2004 - 07:02
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Go Apple!!! There both evil!!!

Apple is evil!!!
#9.7 STV on 25 May 2004 - 18:11
Everyone is evil!!!!

there. settled.

STV
#10 MicroZombies on 24 May 2004 - 23:59
Just announcing a new initiative is one thing. Delivering a Finished Product to the Market is another thing entirely. I am very skeptical about Vaporware &
"HYPER" Marketing - I need to see it before I believe it.

P.S. Ok Guys the "Windows vs. Linux" debate is getting a little tired too. Both exist. Both NEED to Exist. Both have their strengths & weaknesses - If you want to discuss the Technical aspects thats fine - but calling each other names like little kids serves NO-ONE - end of story!!!!
#11 slimy on 25 May 2004 - 00:05
exactly
well said
(2 replies) #12 betasp on 25 May 2004 - 00:13
why call it windows... GUI=overheard. supercomputers don't want a gui, they won't pure speed.
#12.1 Mav Phoenix on 25 May 2004 - 00:52
Hmm call it Frames. As in Window Frames.
#12.2 virtorio on 25 May 2004 - 06:45
Maybe because "Windows" is the name of their Operating System family, and it is easily recognizable.
(5 replies) #13 Coolme on 25 May 2004 - 01:00
Is it going to require regular montly patching? (I'd think that SOME of the code is going to be from the NT code)
#13.1 STV on 25 May 2004 - 01:39
believe it or not, linux computers need to be patched too. yeah it will probably be another derivative of Windows XP/2003 or something similar.

STV

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#13.2 Coolme on 25 May 2004 - 02:05
Notice it's regular montly patching?
#13.3 STV on 25 May 2004 - 03:16
i dont understand, doesnt linux need to be patched almost daily depending on what apps you need.

but still, i dont mean this to be flaim bait.

yeah monthly patching does sound right, but sometimes its every couple of weeks. very erratic.

STV

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#13.4 snippet1 on 25 May 2004 - 07:04
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i dont understand, doesnt linux need to be patched almost daily depending on what apps you need.

Yeah - they just call it 'upgrading to the latest build'.
#13.5 STV on 25 May 2004 - 08:04
i didnt think to say that, but i understand what you mean.

STV
(2 replies) #14 mr_da3m0n on 25 May 2004 - 03:02
Erm.
Clustering in Windows Server 2003 is pretty... uhm... how to put it without sounding like I want to bash the OS... well, it doesn't suit my needs, to say the least.

Linux clustering is cheap, portable and efficient because it can be scaled and modified for specific requirements.

When we talk clusters, we talk corporation who actually have a clue on what they're doing, so I doubt the "it's going to be easy and require less training" argument would win.

Plus when you're licensing 1600 machines, you know...
#14.1 STV on 25 May 2004 - 03:21
that is why they are gonna make a special edition of it.

STV
#14.2 Octol on 25 May 2004 - 05:14
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Linux clustering is cheap, portable and efficient because it can be scaled and modified for specific requirements.


I agree. Microsoft's greatest flaw is its tendency to try and create software that will do everything for everybody. While this approach works well with desktop operating systems like XP—which are designed to allow millions of users to use thousands of different programs to do hundreds of different things—I can't see this approach working well with systems that essentially try and do one thing well, e.g., climate modeling or DNA mapping.

You can't build a Greyhound bus for a client looking for a AA fuel dragster. I wish them well, but my gut tells me that this is going to be a fierce uphill battle that Microsoft isn't going to win.

But then again, what do I know?
#15 JonathanVP on 25 May 2004 - 05:08
This should be interesting since the company I work for is making the next generation supercomputers.
#16 cappuchok on 25 May 2004 - 06:23
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- Dear me. What's that coming out of her nose?
- "Windows for supercomputers"!?
- Oh, sh*t - there goes the planet.


Also, why is my mind seeing the MCP (Master Control Program) rearing it's ugly spinning head again...?
#17 agenta on 25 May 2004 - 07:52
Great.. now we're gonna see threads like: "Why doesn't Windows Server HPC Edition run Unreal?" and "How do you get this sound card to work in Windows Server HPC Edition?"
#18 altermind on 25 May 2004 - 07:58
I don't mind
#19 TruckWEB on 25 May 2004 - 09:14
@MicroZombies

Linux does not NEED to exist. People are just to cheap to pay for Microsoft Software. We allready have Unix OS for more powerfull servers. Linux did not change life....

Windows on Super Computer? Yeah, it's nice competition to Solaris, AIX, Tru64 Unix.
#20 amdme2600 on 25 May 2004 - 09:17
Hey how do I get sound in windows server 2003?
(3 replies) #21 MicroZombies on 25 May 2004 - 10:34
TruckWEB - "Linux does Not Need to Exist" - what a dumb comment. Linux is supported by the Open Source Community. Microsoft is a Huge Publicly Traded Corporation. The Free Markets work when People are FREE to Decide what Hardware - Software & Networking Products & Services to BUY & USE. Do you like Windows XP's is $150 retail price? How much do you think Microsoft would Charge if Linux or Mac OS X didn't exist - Microsoft could charge $300 a "License" in that case if they wanted - Maybe even $400. Also do you really thing that Microsoft would be working as hard as they are on Win XP SP2 & Win Server 2003 SP1 if the Competition from Linux & OS X (Which also come in Client & Server Editions) didn't exist? The answer is NO - they would just continue to get Fat, Lazy & RICH!!!

P.S. If it wasn't for Unix based Operating Systems the "Internet" would not Exist!!!!!
#21.1 wildk on 25 May 2004 - 12:56
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The Free Markets work when People are FREE to Decide what Hardware - Software & Networking Products & Services to BUY & USE.


Um the free markets are working, you are free to choose what you want now.

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How much do you think Microsoft would Charge if Linux or Mac OS X didn't exist - Microsoft could charge $300 a "License" in that case if they wanted - Maybe even $400.


As this is never likely to happen, this is pure vanilla speculation, microsoft may not up the cost of their products. Microsoft COULD charge that, they could also keep the price the same, or lower it.

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Also do you really thing that Microsoft would be working as hard as they are on Win XP SP2 & Win Server 2003 SP1 if the Competition from Linux & OS X (Which also come in Client & Server Editions) didn't exist? The answer is NO - they would just continue to get Fat, Lazy & RICH!!!


Again, prove that what you have stated as fact is true........you can't can you. It is never likely to happen so you cannot state that this is the case, it is your speculation.

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P.S. If it wasn't for Unix based Operating Systems the "Internet" would not Exist!!!!!


Actually if it was not for development by US Defence and ARPANET the internet would not exist, Not sure about the Unix Part. What did the DEC PDP-10 Run? I have seen it listed that it used TOPS-10, TOPS-20, TWENEX. Are these unix based??

"The short story is that the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency led the development of wide area packet switching starting in 1969 with the ARPANET"

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#21.2 PseudoRandomDragon on 25 May 2004 - 16:09
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As this is never likely to happen, this is pure vanilla speculation, microsoft may not up the cost of their products. Microsoft COULD charge that, they could also keep the price the same, or lower it.


Just as a note, there have been court cases against Microsoft for making their prices too high. If they make them too high, they will get sued.

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Again, prove that what you have stated as fact is true........you can't can you. It is never likely to happen so you cannot state that this is the case, it is your speculation.


And you are speculating that his speculation is incorrect.
#21.3 STV on 25 May 2004 - 18:07
why should mircosoft be sued for "high prics" when the oil companies can raise the price as high as they want without being sued?

i happen to think that microsoft's charge fo software is low considering what you get with it.

STV
#22 dotnetjunkie on 26 May 2004 - 22:45
Windows HPC Edition
= Handheld PC !!

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