Microsoft working hard on XP SP2 RC2
Posted by Tom Warren on 31 May 2004 - 14:49 · 83 comments & 17068 views
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#1 Posted by scaredmogwai on 31 May 2004 - 14:51
- good to hear. can't wait till its final.
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#2 Posted by GAURAV7777 on 31 May 2004 - 14:55
- cream where do u get all that info any ways?
can't wait for rc2 to be released but i am still using rc1 -
#2.1 Posted by deadmonkey on 31 May 2004 - 21:11
- this has been covered before
creamhackered is Bill Gates
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#2.2 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 01 Jun 2004 - 05:50
- cream = bill
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#3 Posted by ThunderRiver on 31 May 2004 - 14:59
- That's the problem when they announce the release date.. When they slip, they all work extra hard.. so instead of working extra hard all the sudden, they might as well not to disclose it and work the way steadily and push things out to public as it is ready
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#3.1 Posted by incubusdaemon on 31 May 2004 - 15:29
- unless you mean that they don't do as well when they work hard, that sounds like an advantage not a disadvantage.
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#3.2 Posted by ThunderRiver on 31 May 2004 - 22:49
- no one do things well when they rush. what's your point?
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#4 Posted by Razor_D on 31 May 2004 - 15:05
- Cant wait either - I didnt realise how much i right click > properties on an image!
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#4.4 Posted by Razor_D on 31 May 2004 - 16:38
- Theres a bug in the latest build for us testers, which means in internet explorer, you cant right click and choose properties on an image, it causes IE to crash - which is bloody annoying...
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#4.5 Posted by Jugalator on 31 May 2004 - 18:51
- I wonder why there isn't a "Copy shortcut" menu item for images in IE?
If it weren't we wouldn't need to go into the properties anyway, since the thing you usually want in there is the URL. -
#4.7 Posted by ThCraftman on 01 Jun 2004 - 02:01
- Firefox can't read PHP site correctly. It places everything to the left of every column!
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#4.8 Posted by weenur on 01 Jun 2004 - 02:09
- That wouldn't be correct. PHP is server based, so the coder of the site didn't write his HTML out correctly. Neowin is PHP, no?
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#4.9 Posted by STV on 01 Jun 2004 - 03:36
QUOTE (#4.6) Then use Firefox.
why use firefox when this is just a temporary bug that will be fixed?
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#4.10 Posted by jimbo11883 on 01 Jun 2004 - 03:53
- This bug is confirmed by me to be fixed in build 2135.
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#4.11 Posted by MuD on 01 Jun 2004 - 12:57
QUOTE (#4.7) Firefox can't read PHP site correctly. It places everything to the left of every column!
No, that's not true. I'm currently using PHP myself, and Firefox renders it perfectly. Maybe it's because my site is W3C compliant. You see, that's the problem with IE. Firefox renders everything according to standards. But no, Microsoft has to make their own standards, they're too smart to follow W3C's recommendation. And that defeats the purpose of having a standard in the first place. That's why every decent website coder/webmaster keeps b*tching about IE, because it keeps rendering things differently. Until MS fixes their d*mn browser, I'll keep using Firefox, and so will millions of others.
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#4.12 Posted by YaddaMe on 01 Jun 2004 - 13:23
QUOTE Firefox can't read PHP site correctly.
Ditto the other comments. Web browsers are client-side & everything-PHP is handled on the server side. Browsers never even see php, so they couldn't really mis-interpret php then could it.
QUOTE No, that's not true. I'm currently using PHP myself, and Firefox renders it perfectly.
Technically, your comment isn't true either, as browsers never even see PHP, so there's nothing to "render".
PHP & web-browsers have virtually nothing to do with each other.
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#5 Posted by shmengie on 31 May 2004 - 15:07
- ultimately, wouldn't we rather have them take their time and get it right rather than rush it?
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#5.2 Posted by JZolloXP on 31 May 2004 - 16:47
- I agree! All their hard work is definately going to pay off.
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#6 Posted by DaMarcoE on 31 May 2004 - 15:21
- I know what you mean!
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#7 Posted by nuka_t on 31 May 2004 - 15:24
- is this gonna be public like rc1?
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#8 Posted by MuD on 31 May 2004 - 15:24
- Yeah, I really can't wait much longer either. But like I said on a previous post, they better take their time and do it right, than rush it and make a million patches afterwards. Although I still think even Microsoft underestimated this project. In any case, is it possible we can expect a speed boost? I know that's not the focus on SP2, but still, it would be nice to have Windows be a bit lighter on system resources. I'm still running build 2096, but I don't see any improvement in speed.
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#8.1 Posted by Betaz on 31 May 2004 - 15:30
- It's always possible, but it's highly doubtful. Considering they are adding the security center, which is another service running, strengthing the firewall which means it will actually do something now, etc. It's probably just going to be adding more things running. But yes, there is always the chance they will tweak something and make it a little faster.
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#8.2 Posted by N1CK on 31 May 2004 - 16:29
- The compiler used for SP2 optimises more heavily than the compiler used for SP1, so it is possible.
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#9 Posted by NeoSoft on 31 May 2004 - 15:32
- I hate to hear that they have pushed the release date back for RC2, but it's better they get it right the first time then have another load of patches for the service later on. At least, that's the way I look at it
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#10 Posted by kiddingguy on 31 May 2004 - 15:33
- mid-July as estimate for the final. I would say end-July . But it's a good thing MS does a lot of extra/additional testing of this major-SP for XP and even release a RC2.
Can't wait for the final!
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#11 Posted by StOrM on 31 May 2004 - 15:49
- I cant wait for the final. but i will be happy with the rc2 for now
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#12 Posted by altezza on 31 May 2004 - 16:14
- Gotta wait until final release...shouldn't be too far off from now
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#13 Posted by KevinRGood on 31 May 2004 - 16:33
- You know as soon as they release WinXP SP2 for the internal testers there'll be yet another security problem or bug. This is endless. Eventhough they work overtime for this service pack, they probably won't release the final version until late August. But, that's OK. As long as they get it RIGHT this time.
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#14 Posted by Sawyer12 on 31 May 2004 - 17:21
- Why do people say "Hope they get it right THIS TIME" They did an ok job with SP1 didnt they ? Whats different about this time ? But yeah glad to hear its comming along nicely.
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#14.1 Posted by werejag on 31 May 2004 - 18:41
- you said it all bro
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They did an ok job with SP1 didnt they ? Whats different about this time ?
sp2 is the collection of bug fixes from after sp1. so i hope there wont be a sp3 becuase they got it right and trustworthy computing will finally mean something. -
#14.2 Posted by Sawyer12 on 31 May 2004 - 19:49
- Im guessing there will be an SP3 . . . theres still a lot of unpatched bugs to find and fix
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#14.3 Posted by gawdflesh on 31 May 2004 - 20:32
- Man, I wish Linus Torvalds and all those kernel developers would just get it right and quit releasing all those massive kernel releases. Why can't they just do something right the first time?
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#14.4 Posted by STV on 31 May 2004 - 20:39
- remember sp2 isnt just a "package of bugfixes". it much more and that is probably why microsoft is gonna make it avaliable for free on as many channels as possible.
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#14.6 Posted by STV on 01 Jun 2004 - 05:52
- well werejag, why is that funny? you always seem to be putting microsoft and windows down for some reason or other. but i bet that you probably do use windows, but i am not sure about that.
but i think that gawdflesh said it right. also remember Mac OS before OS X. they had to use a BSD variant for the new OS. Apple didnt do it right the first time either.
do you ever have any useful opinions or comments to contribute werejag?
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#14.7 Posted by JaggedFlame on 01 Jun 2004 - 13:10
- werejag has actually admitted that he uses Windows 98. Now ain't that some sh*t.
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#15 Posted by Robert McClelland on 31 May 2004 - 18:16
- Build 2120 is one of horror RC2 I ever tested I had trouble restarted system doens't shut down at all I hope they fix that in this new build I'm back on RC1 2096 I stay most stable sp ever.
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#15.1 Posted by mufdvr3669 on 31 May 2004 - 18:38
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#15.2 Posted by Jugalator on 31 May 2004 - 18:45
- Yeah, but I wouldn't care too much about stability in pre-release builds anyway.
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#15.3 Posted by SirEvan on 01 Jun 2004 - 02:51
- your spelling is some of the "worstest" I've ever seen. GO GET A DAMN DICTIONARY!!
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#15.4 Posted by Robert McClelland on 01 Jun 2004 - 05:17
- Bite me j/k
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#16 Posted by DsnBehind on 31 May 2004 - 18:27
- Glad to see they're working hard on it.
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#17 Posted by Jugalator on 31 May 2004 - 18:45
- Good to have those recent build numbers because... because... err...
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#17.1 Posted by Mean Mr Mustard on 31 May 2004 - 21:50
- ...lots of numbers are cool???
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#18 Posted by Nomad559 on 31 May 2004 - 18:50
- Windows XP SP2 delayed till September?
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#18.1 Posted by yodat on 31 May 2004 - 19:18
- http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47790
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#18.2 Posted by Inspire on 01 Jun 2004 - 01:07
- Please say this isn't true...
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#18.3 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 01 Jun 2004 - 05:51
- I don't think so. It seems too long a wait from their July estimate.
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#19 Posted by fdlazarte on 31 May 2004 - 20:44
- cant wait....
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#20 Posted by chacho on 31 May 2004 - 21:11
- it seems that every thread about a delay in sp2 has all the same comments. "im glad they are taking their time. ill be patient if it means a better product"
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#20.1 Posted by MuD on 31 May 2004 - 21:40
QUOTE (#20.0) it seems that every thread about a delay in sp2 has all the same comments. "im glad they are taking their time. ill be patient if it means a better product"
quite annoying, if you ask me.
Then don't go near ANY thread on Neowin. Better yet, find another website to post your crap.
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#20.2 Posted by mufdvr3669 on 31 May 2004 - 22:27
- Yeah what do you expect people to post, "Yay it's been delayed, there's nothing I love more than waiting" or "I really hope they rush out an unfinished product".
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#21 Posted by ben_b on 31 May 2004 - 22:06
- There just going fast because they can't wait to get back to Longhorn since most of Longhorn's ev team has been moved to SP2 for now.
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#22 Posted by moua on 01 Jun 2004 - 01:21
- My winXP SP1a install is corrupted (NAT and ipconfig don't work anymore).
Is there a solution to repair bad files ?
If i install SP2 RC2 it will do it for me ?
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#23 Posted by Zeo on 01 Jun 2004 - 01:53
- I really hope they've delayed SP2 till September at the earliest. MS might finally be listening to many of thier channels and their partners. I mentioned previously on the boards that October/November would be a great time to release SP2 once they've been able to spend considerable time testing the service pack. From what I'm hearing now, essentially the delay allows retail marketing channels to be better geared up for installing SP2 on all new systems. Additionally they've been able to re-architect their testing protocols to allow for more configurations.
More over, 3rd party antivirus vendors and firewall products are getting significant rework and additionally prompting(and strong arming) from Microsoft to get thier lousy non compliment apps to work for SP2. I really think that the 2005 versions of these 3rd party apps will bring SP2 complence. Microsoft can't make them do it, and the Antitrust lawyers won't let microsoft release their own virus scanners, so in the end it sucks for consumers.
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#23.1 Posted by Skyfrog on 01 Jun 2004 - 03:02
QUOTE I really hope they've delayed SP2 till September at the earliest.
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#23.2 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 01 Jun 2004 - 05:53
- I can see what you're saying, but I think those companies will be ready by July, they've known SP2 was coming for some time already.
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#24 Posted by Wiseman on 01 Jun 2004 - 08:24
- June 7 is my birthday
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#25 Posted by CheeseCow on 01 Jun 2004 - 08:46
- I think that this is just one huge yawn anyways. Sure, a better firewall is nice. But who is raving over security fixes?
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#26 Posted by valent2191 on 01 Jun 2004 - 10:33
- good thing this does not effect me , i don't use Xp because it's a silly puppy
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#26.2 Posted by mufdvr3669 on 01 Jun 2004 - 14:48
- glad to see you still care about xp though, closet microsoft fan???
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#27 Posted by xMorpheousx416 on 01 Jun 2004 - 15:03
- WHO CARES!!!
I am so sick and tired of message boards being crammed with the "latest update on how late the update is".....
It's nothing more then security updates, and a retarded, bothersome firewall addition.
When it's out.....it's out. 77 comments on this old subject, I take it we have nothing else to do? -
#27.1 Posted by mufdvr3669 on 01 Jun 2004 - 15:22
- Well obviously you care or have nothing else to do. After all, you read the subject and had the time to reply with a comment. So you care
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#28 Posted by Randall_Lind on 02 Jun 2004 - 14:20
- They have to have release dates or nothing would ever get done. A lot of people are slackers and you tell them one day we will release LongHorn people take their time and not really care. Plus customers should have some idea what they can expect down the road.
Instead of walking in Bestbuy and saying: Damn when was Lognhorn release. That was 6 months ago no one told you.
For those interested in build dates and numbers:
2138 (xpsp.040522-1636)
2139 (xpsp.040524-1730)
2140 (xpsp.040525-1946)
2141 (xpsp.040526-1840)
2142 (xpsp.040528-0019)
We're hoping to see RC2 get compiled this week with a release on or after the 7th June, if RC2 gets compiled early this week then beta testers may well see the long awaited update at the end of the week. Either way there's a lot of testing to be done to ensure that any problems with RC2 are reported and that all is well for the release to manufacturing (RTM) in mid-July.
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