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Microsoft hopes younger eyes have Office vision

malebolgia   on 21 June 2004 - 14:35 · 27 comments & 836 views

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When you have the most popular productivity software on the market what's next? If you’re Microsoft then you start by asking the customers themselves what they want the next Office to be. Specifically the younger customers from 19 to 24.

When it comes to improving the spelling checker in Word or finding new ways to draw charts in Excel, Microsoft probably has things covered.

But to figure out the broad changes needed for its venerable Office software, Microsoft is turning to an Indian medical student, an aspiring architect from Kenya and 13 other young adults from across the globe. The young people, ages 19 to 24, are part of an "Information Worker Board of the Future" that will spend this week touring Microsoft's campus and discussing their ideas for the future of work and software.

Microsoft hopes the investment will pay off with some insight into how their flagship Office software needs to evolve. "We want them to tell us what we don't know," said Don Rasmus, a former Giga Information Group analyst who joined Microsoft last year to head up its Information Work Vision effort.

News source: C|Net News.com


bah- this is crap. turns out to be b/s.

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(16 replies) #1 MR_Candyman on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:03
well, here's a pretty funny story. One of my friends who's used Office for all her school work for years had her cousin stay over for a few days. Somtime during her cousin's stay he removed Office from her computer and stole her CD (trustable guy eh?). Well all her documents were already saved in word format so she needed something to open them with and that she could use as a replacement. I installed Open Office on her computer. She finds it easier to use and prefers the interface. The thesaurus and spell checker tend to do better jobs aswell. The word filler saves her a ton of time. I can't remember if Office has a word filler, but it definitely wasn't enabled by default.
#1.1 LampkinsMateSteve on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:19
Maybe her cousin is an open-source software developer?
#1.2 MR_Candyman on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:20
doubt it...he's kinda an idiot...and a bit young...
#1.3 ThunderRiver on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:25
Yeah I can tell he is kind of an idiot as well. If he wanted to steal the CD, he did not have to make it so obvious by removing the software from her machine.

Anyway, I tried OpenOffice at least 5 times in the past..and each time, lasts from hours to a week or so.. I can never get used to it..so I am sticking with MS Office.

MS Office is not perfect, and I have to say that if their Office team doesn't improve on PC platform, I think we need to think of a way to boycott them in the future.
#1.4 nic on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:54
I prefer OpenOffice.Org Writer over MS Word, aswell. It seems like it is centered around the features I like the most and I find it easier to get around in. I picked up how to use styles in OO.o Writer, and I still don't understand whats going on w/ styles in MS Word (but I don't doubt it has similar functionality).

But the other software, Excel, Access, PowerPoint and Outlook... Microsoft wins hands down. Although OO.o calc is pretty close, it just doesn't have all the math functions that Excel has built in (but if it did, i'd probably go w/ that).

#1.5 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 16:04
If you need something like access, you might want to try rekall. It is a access like frontend for various databases. Depending on your needs evolution can replace outlook. Anyway it is always good to try the alternatives from time to time.
#1.6 threetonesun on 21 Jun 2004 - 16:46
Nice. When I got my new computer, I looked at office for school, saw how much it cost, and went and downloaded Open Office. Even though it was buggy at the time, I've been using it for a few years now, and it keeps getting better. At least the writer does, which is what I use most.
#1.7 chacho on 21 Jun 2004 - 19:12
mind explaining what this word-filler feature is to us office users?
#1.8 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 19:17
us office users? you mean ms office or open office users? scnr

scroll down for feature requests
#1.9 MR_Candyman on 21 Jun 2004 - 20:29
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mind explaining what this word-filler feature is to us office users?


while you're typing, the program guesses what word you are typing and will fill in what it thinks you are typing. if the word's right you can just hit the enter key and it fills in the word and skips to the end of it.
#1.10 chacho on 21 Jun 2004 - 20:31
QUOTE (#1.9)
while you're typing, the program guesses what word you are typing and will fill in what it thinks you are typing. if the word's right you can just hit the enter key and it fills in the word and skips to the end of it.

i see, but wouldnt this get annoying for every single word you type?
#1.11 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 20:48
Depends what you like. Of course you can turn it off if you want to.
#1.12 nic on 21 Jun 2004 - 21:50
QUOTE (#1.5)
If you need something like access, you might want to try rekall. It is a access like frontend for various databases. Depending on your needs evolution can replace outlook. Anyway it is always good to try the alternatives from time to time.

rekall looks interesting. I'll try out the demo, but their pricing isn't very competative to Access. Of corse, Access isn't cross-platform. I'll just have to play around in it and see what I think.

Thanks!
#1.13 MR_Candyman on 21 Jun 2004 - 21:57
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i see, but wouldnt this get annoying for every single word you type?


How so? it's not like it fills in the word and takes you to the end automatically. It's just the guess highlighted in blue until you hit enter. I can't see it being annoying in any situation...but yes you can turn it off, and it's very easy to see how to.
#1.14 eris on 22 Jun 2004 - 08:59
nic: actually iirc it is under a dual licence like mysql. You can use it for free however if you change the program itself you either have to release it or you have to buy a licence.
#1.15 LampkinsMateSteve on 22 Jun 2004 - 09:21
That was a joke btw, I don't really think that the Mozilla Foundation has yearly MS raids.
#1.16 eris on 22 Jun 2004 - 09:39
LampkinsMateSteve: off topic?
#2 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:08
I would like to see the .doc file format opened so i can still view my stuff in 10, 20 or 50 years if i want to. A nice side effect would be that this would make communicating with other people a lot easier.
(5 replies) #3 nic on 21 Jun 2004 - 15:58
I'd like to see PDF editing and manipulation in Word.

I also think that Microsoft needs to spend more time developing web pages and flash presentations on what the bennefits of using backoffice (i know, old term) in conjunction w/ Office software. Just reading the list of things, it isn't very obvious.

I'd also like to see a "Settings Tree" in each product. A place you KNOW you will be able to find a toggle for a setting w/ a searchable interface. Right now their are a dozen different places to look and I can spend some time just running through the maze.
#3.1 anog on 21 Jun 2004 - 17:49
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I'd like to see PDF editing and manipulation in Word.

Well, I don't think that will happen...
Adobe and Microsoft are two big companies, and if Microsoft did that Adobe would most certainly file a suit against Microsoft...
I'm not sure if PDF is an "open" format or not, but nonetheless.
If Microsoft was a very small company, it wouldn't be such a big deal.. but it's not..
Just my 2 cents..
#3.2 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 17:57
Yes pdf is open. They could implement that but that will not happen because ms likes to push its own stuff.
#3.3 nic on 21 Jun 2004 - 21:24
Adobe has done a craptastic job with PDF. I'm ready for someone to jump in and do it right. The only version of Acrobat that seems to be compatible w/ all Acrobat 4. There are some serious problems w/ Acrobat 6 Pro. Sometimes setting the version back to 4 doesn't mean it will be able to open in 4, the program is a beast to load, and the install (after you update it to 6.0.1) is 600+ megs!!
#3.4 eris on 21 Jun 2004 - 21:32
Then use another pdf creator. I am very satisfied with the pdf itself. If ms were to bring out their pdf clone chances are very good it would end up as some kind of crap like .doc.
#3.5 SniperX on 22 Jun 2004 - 14:24
No, no, and thrice no. Please, for all things holy, don't let MS bludgeon my beloved PDF format too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
#4 chacho on 21 Jun 2004 - 19:12
these are some lucky dudes...
(1 reply) #5 SniperX on 22 Jun 2004 - 14:21
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"We want them to tell us what we don't know,"


That could take a while....

How not to get caught abusing customer privacy, over and over and over...

How not to change your licensing plans to make yourself unpopular with 'Enterprise' customers.

How not to keep changing your minds when the wind changes direction. (IE Development)

How to make a Browser that supports common web standards and functionality.

How not to be so blatant in your attempts to tie customers in to the 'Our way' or no way system.

How to win friends and influence people without buying them out.

Oh, it's just for Office? Then let's start with those stupid 'Assistants'.
#5.1 eris on 22 Jun 2004 - 14:36
I dont care about the assistants that much as i care about that friggin .doc format. How not to be so blatant in your attempts to tie customers in to the 'Our way' or no way system. Oh never mind you already said that.

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