Are P2P networks leaking military secrets?
Posted by malebolgia on 28 July 2004 - 00:49 · 59 comments & 1490 views
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#1 Posted by MipScript on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:14
- Not suprised if there are, everything else is on P2P networks from Child Pron to make ya own hoover PDF's ...
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#2 Posted by altermind on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:21
- yay... more ammo for the polititions in america to try and ban P2P
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#3 Posted by nmeu on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:40
- you can't ban p2p... it just won't work..
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#3.1 Posted by Shining Arcanine on 28 Jul 2004 - 22:48
- You can at a military base. It is called port blocking.
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#4 Posted by tmaxxtigger on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:41
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#5 Posted by Hills420 on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:56
- is the site down?
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#6 Posted by Tartan on 28 Jul 2004 - 01:56
- Wonder how much the RIAA are paying him?
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#6.1 Posted by Coolme on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:13
- My thought exactly, I mean how does he search for this stuff? And also, if he really wants to help, then why doesn't he post all the IPs of the ppl who has the files/pictures?? and oh yeah, are the pics real? or are they a fraud? or are they like 50 years ago? Correct me if I am wrong, but who confirmed that they were real?
Also, wasn't there an article on Neowin quite a while ago about how an government agency switched all their documents from Microsoft Word format to Adobe Acrobat format because Microsoft Word Documents are unsafe, and can be fully extracted even if the author decides to put a password to access the document? So can someone give me one reason as to why the military is still using Microsoft Word accrding to the pictures of the document?
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#6.2 Posted by shao on 28 Jul 2004 - 07:49
- yeah, good decision that, we know acrobat files are 100% secure now, don't we.
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#7 Posted by tylerctyler on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:12
- If you use p2p, you let the terrorists win.
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#7.1 Posted by Cryptic_Night on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:23
- lol @ tylerctyler
If you use P2P, your country's heros get exposed!
I find this site interesting though. Lots of useless facts. *boots up photoshop* I'll let him have some more pictures. *cough* -
#7.2 Posted by axious on 28 Jul 2004 - 06:05
- Tyler - I do beleive you're speaking out of your 'arris
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#7.3 Posted by kizzaaa on 28 Jul 2004 - 07:12
QUOTE If you use p2p, you let the terrorists win.
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#7.5 Posted by matrixhax0r on 28 Jul 2004 - 16:40
- If you voted Bush, you let the terrorist's win
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#8 Posted by cdcase on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:14
- yeah, he just got bored one day with appreciating his museum and listening to polka so he decided to download military documents from Gneutella.
Come one old man.... you were really looking for military pron.
Just admit it - you'll feel better.
This bonehead needs to get a life.
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#9 Posted by dougkinzinger on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:16
- Yep. They are. Another one of the many reasons why I don't use any, no, ANY, P2P software.
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#10 Posted by cdcase on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:20
- guess what? Telephones, faxes, and human beings have been leaking secrets longer. what do you suggest we do with them?
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#10.1 Posted by Cryptic_Night on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:40
- What? Are you serious? I'm calling the pentagon and getting those things banned. Banned I tell you. BANNED!!!!
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#10.3 Posted by matrixhax0r on 28 Jul 2004 - 16:42
- OMG I'm going to be that parnoid guy in "Enemy of the State"
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#11 Posted by altermind on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:45
QUOTE Wallace told CNET News.com that he first downloaded a zipped file of classified documents a few months ago on Gnutella, with stamped security clearances ranging from "For Official Use Only" to "Secret/NO FORN." (NOFORN typically stands for "not for release to foreign nationals" in military parlance.) The documents contained real-time information about operations in Iraq, "stuff that could kill people," he said.
thats funny
. no forn... no porn
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#12 Posted by Corporal_Clegg on 28 Jul 2004 - 02:48
- what! how on earth did my photographs end up on that god damned website,... i want explenations damn it!
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#13 Posted by moeburn on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:05
At first he seemed credible. Until i saw that image. It is not only a terrible fake, but i will find you the original image (same wood background with no soldier or gun) in a few minutes on kazaa.-
#13.1 Posted by paulhaskew on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:35
- hmm, that shadow does seem a bit whacked...
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#13.2 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:43
- How are pics of a soldier holding a gold AK-47 going to get people killed?
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#13.4 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:48
- No, it just looks weird because of all the soot and dirt on the dudes hand. The handguard is resting further up on his palm, so the perspective makes it look weird, almost like it's floating, sorta. A few of my friends brought back pics of crap like that. Saddam liked to gold-plate everything he came across for some reason.
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#13.5 Posted by Enders on 28 Jul 2004 - 04:43
- the picture is obviously fake...the gun is bright and everything else in the picture is dark...and no it has nothing to do with soot. Not to mention the picture of the gun looks like its better quality in the rest of the picture.
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#13.6 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 04:44
- It's a pic of a dirty soldier holding a gold-plated rifle, taken with a flash camera. Of course the rifle is going to look brighter.
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#13.7 Posted by moeburn on 28 Jul 2004 - 04:53
- Right, this would all make sense because of a flash, had the picture not been fake. Unless this is the official "internet picture scene", this picture is fake and other pics are often faked onto the same background using the same 'flash' technique.
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#13.8 Posted by ClintEastman on 28 Jul 2004 - 09:07
Nope, that really is Sadams Gold AK!
More Pics
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#14 Posted by paulhaskew on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:34
- this is actually crazy that people are this stupid...
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#15 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:41
- Call me crazy, but shouldn't the govt. be a little more worried when their agencies are losing *hard drives* and *zip disks* with nuclear-related information on them, and not what what some schmuck thinks he dredged up on p2p networks? Lets be a little realistic here with our priorities.
And now that I think about it...how is it the fault of p2p when it seems that some idiots around the world improperly installed kazaa (since kazaa is the only one that comes to mind that shares everything in a certain directory by default) and got their business spread across the net? Its more the fault of shoddy network admins.
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#15.1 Posted by cdcase on 28 Jul 2004 - 11:02
- shouldn't we be a little more worried about the fact that we attacked Iraq based on information that turned out to be completely false? Yeah, there are bigger things to worry about than soldiers sharing digital pics on P2P networks.
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#15.2 Posted by T-Metal on 28 Jul 2004 - 13:19
- Who gives a damn about that?! At least Saddam is out of the picture. What more could you possibly want?!
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#15.3 Posted by matrixhax0r on 28 Jul 2004 - 16:50
- Shouldn't we worry that Bush is out president? jk
Freedom of speech dude. American public is always intrested in what the govermnet is hiding. There will always be an audiance for these kind of acts.
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#16 Posted by mswarts on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:52
- Oh no... It has become a matter of national security. Stand down or you will be shot down.
The obvious answer is to limit use of the Internet, including P2P, to soldiers, but I'll bet the answer the big heads come up with is making P2P illegal for everybody.
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#16.1 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:54
- It *is* limited on properly configured goverment networks. I can't even get on DeviantArt at work, let alone install a p2p client.
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#16.2 Posted by mswarts on 28 Jul 2004 - 03:56
- I didn't know that -- how are the soldiers using it then? Are they going through some proxy?
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#16.3 Posted by [moribundi] on 28 Jul 2004 - 04:06
- It depends on the proficiency of each units specific assigned network admins, at least that's how it is in the air force. All the traffic from my shop is routed through a central monitoring center, it seems, because they pro-actively block certain sites as they become more popular and if/when their content is viewed unnacceptable. In my section, I'm not even able to install a program on my workstation, be it Flash or updated versions of WMP without permission from the network admins. Current DoD policy states that usage of a govt. computer system is for official govt. work only, and by using said system you consent to monitoring. If some jackass is able to install a p2p client on a govt. workstation, the responsible network admin deserves to be shot. Figuratively speaking.
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After viewing the documents on that site, it seems to me that they are the type that are commonly worked on *at home* by many people. I recognize a few of them as we have similar listings at my workplace. So in all probability, these were taken home, drafted, saved to a shared folder then taken back to work. And none of this is anything secretive. Personal pics? Alpha rosters? A resume letter? This guy simply doesn't know what he's seeing and playing chicken little.
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#17 Posted by moeburn on 28 Jul 2004 - 04:57
- Does this guy really not understand that the p2p picture transfer service is used for nothing more than fake photoshopped pictures?
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#18 Posted by bush on 28 Jul 2004 - 05:30
- sounds uncool
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#19 Posted by redwingsmonk on 28 Jul 2004 - 07:30
- hmm, RIAA will go to any length to kill P2P. and this is a shame! that they will lie and use this type of propaganda to work the politicians to there favour. the RIAA is looking to become Big Brother. They are laughing how they can manipulate the Govt.
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#20 Posted by redwingsmonk on 28 Jul 2004 - 07:31
- But then again.. this guy just prolly doing this in hope the RIAA will notice him and pay him a huge sum of money for doing this
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#21 Posted by CheeseCow on 28 Jul 2004 - 13:20
- So the networks are leaking, while the people are just being all nice and not doing anything wrong?
If someone breaks a rule, it is their fault, you can't say "destroy all roads" because people get run over and into there, they do have other useful purposes as well. Of course, with that damn nice guy getting so much attention, it is a lot of PR for the "unwanted" files.
But it should be the job of US Army to keep this off the net, they need to control their people better.
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#22 Posted by Liisachan on 28 Jul 2004 - 14:44
- spaking of which, a while ago the japanese police's classified reports were leaked to Winny, a p2p network in japan,
and that was probably the true reason why the police had to arrest the author of winny.
trying to ban Winny itself.
altho "national security" is a good pretext for those who want to stop p2p,
in the above case, it was just that there was an idiotic policeman who installed a file-sharing software in his computer which he was using to handle classified paper, and he just shared a wrong folder.
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#23 Posted by Grappa on 28 Jul 2004 - 17:21
- Dude, if that pic in the profile of the guy who runs the site is supposed to be him, he passed 30 some time ago...
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#24 Posted by Glen on 28 Jul 2004 - 17:35
- So, what it comes down to is this. Anything that is considered harmful to American corporations will eventually become a National security threat?
Canada is looking better all the time.
The "See What You Share" site has been online for a week and has published photos ranging from a crashed military jet to a screenshot of a spreadsheet file that appears to include names, addresses and telephone numbers of marines. The site's operator, a 30-year-old named Rick Wallace, wrote in a blog posting that he is trying to help the military understand how serious a security risk unmonitored peer-to-peer file sharing can be. CNET News.com could not independently verify the authenticity of the documents posted on the site.
"I want everyone to know that we can be our own worst enemies when we don't understand the full power of our technology," Wallace wrote in a posting explaining the site. "I want every military and government agency to see firsthand what is being shared with anyone who has a computer. Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I can save myself some talking." Among the items appearing on the site were documents from a transportation unit at Fort Eustis in Virginia. A Fort Eustis spokesperson contacted could not immediately comment.
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