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US Agents raid p2p homes

Mr magoo   on 26 August 2004 - 10:46 · 55 comments & 3003 views

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US Attorney General John Ashcroft reported that US agents had raided the homes of 5 people suspected of illegally trading copyrighted material. Agents raided homes in Texas, Wisconsin and New York, and seized computers involved.

Ashcroft, viewed by many as a hard-line Attorney General, remarked that "P2P does not stand for 'permission to pilfer'". He also commented that the he believed that the DoJ shouldn't turn a blind eye whilst piracy on such a large scale was taking place.

The targets of the raids were users of popular file sharing program, Direct Connect. The 5 people were acting as hubs; hubs are the Kazaa equivalent of "super-nodes" - users sharing massive quantities of files. Ashcroft said that each of the 5 hubs had 40 petabytes of data in them (ed - this figure seems massively in-correct - and would more likely be 40 gigabytes - perhaps terabytes. The DC website claims to have only just reached 1 petabyte of data network-wide.).

The DoJ hopes to reduce the spread of illegal piracy by taking down these main hubs of copyrighted material distribution. Asides from a physical effect, these raids haev a large psychological effect on the p2p community, as the RIAA and the MPAA have learned to their advantage. Record labels and associations have initiated about 4000 lawsuits over the last 2 years, most of them being settled out of court for $5000.

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#1 joker999 on 26 Aug 2004 - 10:51
never stop?!
#2 TranceSphere on 26 Aug 2004 - 10:56
(1 reply) #3 905punk on 26 Aug 2004 - 10:57
Thats why you should use IRC for all your warez on IRC you dont share unless you want to...might have to wait in a queue...but when that edu line is sending you the **** at 400-600kb/sec i dont think you'll mind waiting a day for it.
#3.1 briangw on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:18
Or Usenet. It's nice having a program up for up to two weeks to d/l.
#4 Paul0r on 26 Aug 2004 - 10:58
long live teh hubs!
(1 reply) #5 vbagaria on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:03
QUOTE: Ashcroft said that each of the 5 hubs had 40 petabytes of data in them

do the know the freakin difference between 40 petabytes and gigabytes..... go to some computer for dummies classes dude..... then blame us..... mofos.
#5.1 threedaysdwn on 26 Aug 2004 - 16:44
Also, DC hubs don't "store" the information at all... they just act as basically an IRC server allowing peers to connect and share using the hub for searching/chatting/browsing purposes. The hub is there for orhcestration, not storage. And many hubs discourage/disallow illegal material on them (such as those that host legal bootlegs for bands like the Dave Matthews Band, Phish, the Dead, etc.).
#6 ACTIONpack on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:08
WOW, thats a lot of information. What would be on there. RIAA need to more on with there life.
(1 reply) #7 Alpha Binary on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:10
of course it's not 40 gb.. each peer's share is around 20-30 gb already!
more like 40 tb.
#7.1 Jerryseinfeld on 27 Aug 2004 - 13:24
http://www.c-span.org/Search/basic.asp?Bas...oft&SortBy=date
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2004/82504ag.htm
"Operation Digital Gridlock is targeting illegal file trafficking of copyrighted material over peer-to-peer networks using Direct Connect software."
"On these 5 networks alone, more than 40 terabytes of material was available to be distributed and trafficked by the users on any given day."
"You can pay the fair value for music, movies, software and games like every other consumer, or you can pay an even higher price when you are caught committing online theft."

As anyone would know, some hubs currently share ten times those 40TiB and some more than 600TiB. But that's not the point. The point is to understand what they say. That law enforcement is picking up on the "smaller" networks and that they're going to make it hurt.

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#8 imtoomuch on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:11
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Asides from a physical effect, these raids haev a large psychological effect on the p2p community, as the RIAA and the MPAA have learned to their advantage.


Haha! Yeah right. The use of P2Ps and the downloading of copyrighted music and warez is not slowing down. If this guy had 40 "petabytes" of storage space I doubt he is unable afford all the software he could need. I think somebody got their information very wrong.
#9 LastSamurai on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:13
Crap! time for me to move
#10 werejag on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:26
wow the governement jack boots strike again, the governement is in tha pockets of the RIAA and the MPAA. oh well back to my downloads.

its our job now to increase the flow.
(2 replies) #11 Randall_Lind on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:28
I guess they will have to throw everyone in the US in jail with a pc. I am sure everyone got something illegal on their pc.

I expect all software site even legit ones will be force to shutdown only to stop warez is to stop downloading altogether.

cause you can always crack a shareware program so why have a download site to intice people?

George Bush: The America people can kiss my A$$ I am for big Business! I hate people so much I took away their overtime greedy *******s CEO need a new manison!!!

Vote for Kerry Hope is on the way!!!! Want Freedom? Vote for Kerry!!!!

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#11.1 Veiva on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:33
I gladly don't have any warez or anything illegal. IT is sad. And I AM poor! Use alternatives.

GIMP = Photoshop
Sodipodi = Illustrator
Abiword = Word
etc
#11.2 JK1150 on 26 Aug 2004 - 15:43
do you have any common sense? honestly. Kerry won't do anything about this, he can't. These people are breaking written law, and they are being arrested. Kerry has no where in his "plan" ever suggested to stop this, and if he did, people would hate him, and the RIAA would outsource. To be honest, Kerry would probably help in the arrests b/c he will be afraid record companies will leave the US.
(5 replies) #12 vetMr magoo on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:40
Get a grip guys. These guys are massive software pirates. They cost industries billions each year, and as such it acts as a dis-incentive for them to make good products. These guys aren't nice people - they are people that need to be locked up.

if you think Kerry would take a different approach - wake up. These people are breaking the law- regardless of president, people are still going to be doing jail time.
#12.1 Gersson on 26 Aug 2004 - 12:38
That's right.

Some people go past the equivalent of taking a cookie from it's jar...they literally steal an entire store.
If the DOJ stepped in, I bet it was cos they were selling it.
#12.2 Garrett Socling on 26 Aug 2004 - 12:50
Yea, right, billions a year...

Billions if every pirated piece of software was instantly coverted to a retail sale...which is impossible, as the vast majority of people running pirated software would in no way be able to afford converting all of their software to retail licesnses...hell, between Windows XP Pro and Photoshop, right there you are looking at $1000 alone.

Kids, you better go get your parents checkbooks, the DOJ is in town.

#12.3 darksoul on 26 Aug 2004 - 14:09
then they really shouldn't have the software should they... if everyone actually paid for their software it would be significantly less expensive. We are paying for the pirated copies of software....
#12.4 mgleason007 on 26 Aug 2004 - 23:58
No, re-read the comment right above you. And then read it again. Most people who can afford it pay for it. There's no way in hell I could afford Windows XP + Office + the Adobe suite etc. So if I pirate it instead, the price goes up? They wouldn't be getting my money either way because I don't have the money for it, so your argument makes no sense at all.
#12.5 JaredVolkl on 27 Aug 2004 - 05:25
The government could also make billions by legalizing marijuiana and so could a handful of government approved companies if they did.
#13 OfF3nSiV3 on 26 Aug 2004 - 11:54
if they were selling it, i don't care, but if not, i don't like it, dc++ is my fav
#14 kshelley on 26 Aug 2004 - 12:35
Well, some of the raids were done in my area and they state that there are 60,000 movies. With each movie being between around a cd size, you do the math. Anyway, here is the local article on it.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wauk/aug04/253972.asp
#15 djesteban on 26 Aug 2004 - 12:54
PLEASE don'T vote for bush and his crew...PLEASE!

they are ****in money makers! don't you see!
#16 =Syntax= on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:05
Typical goverment lies to make people think that their really doing something credible as usual.. I'm so glad I don't live in the U.S. anymore.. You can't even piss anymore without somebody either watching your every move, or snitching you off cause you have a hair out of place. The patriot act is the American people worst enemy !!
#17 =Syntax= on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:05
Typical goverment lies to make people think that their really doing something credible as usual.. I'm so glad I don't live in the U.S. anymore.. You can't even piss anymore without somebody either watching your every move, or snitching you off cause you have a hair out of place. The patriot act is the American people's worst enemy !! It gives the goverment the right to do whatever they want, when they want . And theres nothing anyone can do about it. Nice democratic society huh !
(7 replies) #18 Foub on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:08
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Ashcroft, viewed by many as a hard-line Attorney General,


Hardly. Most see him as an incompetent and arrogant a$$hole, just like the village idiot Bush. The only reason why he is going after these so-called pirats is because he has a song out and he doesn't want everyone to pirate it. Yeah, right, people are downloading it in droves.

Move to Canada, it is not illegal to download stuff up here if it is for personal use. The US is turning into a Christian theocracy where no one has any rights or freedoms at all.
#18.1 ghostrider on 26 Aug 2004 - 13:26
Foub- I agree with the first part of your note, but moving to Canada is not the solution. Voting is my solution.
#18.2 Foub on 26 Aug 2004 - 17:12
The way things are going in the US moving to Canada may be your only solution. Bush has shown that your vote in fact doesn't really count. The Electorial College is a joke on the American people.
#18.3 X-Spyder on 26 Aug 2004 - 19:24
Right like Canada's government is any better in the main scope of things.

The reality here is that the ELECTORAL College is a very proper system. Read up on pro-electoral college sites on the net or in books and you will see why it's in place. On the other hand, I don't think our democracy would be any different changed without it.
#18.4 Foub on 26 Aug 2004 - 20:17
The party that was to become the republicans didn't even want the average citizen to be able to vote for their leader and the electorial college was a compromise which can be used to their advantage as Bush had proven.

BTW, the US is not and has never been a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic.

As for the Canadian Government it is far superior in many ways to the system the US has. The party whitch gets the most votes actually wins the election. And if a leader proves to be incompetant he/she can be voted out in one vote. Under opur system Bush would have been ousted long ago and the US would have its dignity back.
#18.5 X-Spyder on 27 Aug 2004 - 19:11
It's Electoral not electorial, but anyway you make some valid points. The country does happen to be a democracy in a republic and from what I think, it's far better than an actual democracy where every last thing is down to a vote amongst the "public".

So if we went with the popular vote then why would any politician visit any of the rural districts? What would be the point when the coasts and some cities in the midwest contain all the votes they would need (vast majority).

As far as discussing this, I suppose I chimed in on the wrong poster. You use name-calling rather than facts (or even a pundit-based arguing), so I'll just stop.

Interestingly, I don't like how the electoral college system doesn't reward any state for voter-turnout. If we don't enforce voter turnout in this country, I think we should reward it.

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#18.6 Foub on 28 Aug 2004 - 21:29
The closest example of a democracy is India since it is also the largest one on the world. The founding fathers saw the problems which would result from a democracy and instead went with a Republic instead.

They are not after the votes of the citizens but the votes of the college instead. Why do you think they concentrate on states which had the most EC votes? It should be one person, one vote. To have it the way it is now makes the whole process a sham and a lie. How can you force democracy on others and yet not practice it yourselves? That's hypocrisy.

Asshcroft is an a$$.
#18.7 X-Spyder on 29 Aug 2004 - 05:06
Yeah that forces politicians to campaign everywhere in that state though. It forces them to at least get more spread out then they would otherwise. It also forces them to take minority issues seriously. You really should read up on why it's in place. I am with you on why Bush is a problem, but lashing out at everything that put him in his seat of power (or lack thereof) is simply not right. Arguing that our country is not a democracy or some form of one is meant for less mature debates. I am not going to recite encyclopedic definitions and entries on democracy or what form of democracy that this country has. Shoudl it not be a given that a calling a government a democracy doesn't naturally assume that EVERY last aspect of the government is up for a vote. Canada votes for all positions in all forms of government? I don't think so. Appointments are just as much a part of a democratic government as any other type. Also consider the deviation in any voting scenario and that 2000 election literally could have went either way when you consider a deviation of the numbers. IMO, one of these two parties needs to be seriously challenged by a third and thus replaced.

Against the Electoral College = against minority issues. I don't mean racial so much as any minority in a country.

Ashcroft is a crazy character, but from what I have read (which is really subjective I must admit) is not in any amount of control.
(1 reply) #19 T-Grey on 26 Aug 2004 - 14:32
Don't they realize more people download illegal files than voted for bush in the last election?

They'll never stop P2P by fear, no matter how hard they try. They can't arrest every US citizen (well, hopefully there's a law about that somewhere). The only thing that will cripple P2P would be apple's theoretical harddriveless ipod, but who knows if streaming content would work.
#19.1 rogerroger on 26 Aug 2004 - 14:56
LOL. Funny post about Bush.

All this means is someone else will share more to make up for the temporary loss.
<starts emule>
(3 replies) #20 JK1150 on 26 Aug 2004 - 15:48
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK BUSH IS DOING THIS:
He is not, it is the RIAA filing suit against people who are breaking written law, which is perfectly legal. Kerry cannot do anything about this, because it is written law. If he repeals the law, the RIAA will file suit again, and he would never get anything like that through congress. He would probably assist b/c of his promise to "stop outsourcing," which he can't, but he will prob have the law more enforced so that the RIAA will keep jobs here.
AND REMEMBER: who are on John Kerry's campaign trail right now? Black Eyed Peas, Dave Matthews Band, etc. Forgetting the concerts to get bush out of office that are happening? That's right... Kerry's friends consists of a lot of musicians, so be prepared if Kerry gets elected. If the polls show Kerry is up, you prob should just uninstall all ur P2P stuff, b/c his friends will be calling in favors.
#20.1 threedaysdwn on 26 Aug 2004 - 16:39
Just as a note, the Dave Matthews Band released tracks from their then soon-to-be-released album "Everyday" onto Napster a few years back... the OLD napster. They've always supported P2P networks, especially for trading live music and getting new people interested in their music. Of course, they still want people to buy their albums and such, but at least they have a better understanding of what their customers want.
#20.2 mgleason007 on 27 Aug 2004 - 00:05
Exactly. They are one of the few acts these days that still only cost around $50/show to see, they let people tape their shows and distribute them freely, and they are still living well. It's just like in South Park... Lars Ulrich couldn't afford his gold-plated shark tank pool-side bar when he wanted, so he blamed the pirates
#20.3 xtatic43 on 27 Aug 2004 - 23:24
uhuh sure. the bush adminstration is totally not supporting the RIAA because the RIAA dont give the bush administration tons of donation per year. BULL****. most recording industry top executives are republican and are avid supporters of the bush administration. kerry wont use taxpayer's money to wipe the asses of the recording industry and a mess that they started by using blatant crappy copy protection. i dont care what you define filesharing, copyright theft, outright theft: it is still the RECORDING industries problem and not the TAX payers. and using tax payer money to clean up a mess that isnt affecting anyone but the recording industry is stupid. the bush administration officially are now the private gestapo of the recording industry. you bush advocates are SO blind.
#21 glitch409 on 26 Aug 2004 - 18:06

#22 derekge on 26 Aug 2004 - 18:29
Oh Dear Lord: I just discovered DC++ about a month ago and now it's unsafe territory . I guess personal FTP is the way to go....
#23 pctuk on 26 Aug 2004 - 18:59
Usenet is the future, indexing sites have made it much simpler
#24 Klownicle on 26 Aug 2004 - 19:05
Someday these polictical morons will learn the world doesn't revole around p2p. Thats like the bottom of the food chain when it comes to piracy.
(1 reply) #25 Cyranthus on 26 Aug 2004 - 20:17
RIAA = nazis...
#25.1 WindowsNT on 27 Aug 2004 - 07:53
While I don’t agree with some of there policy’s, I think users who download and share copywrited material, should be punished. There breaking the law get over it.

I buy my CD's and DVD's and listen to the radio quite a lot if I like the artist I buy there CD. That's what you should to do and not steal from P2P networks, I’ll be glad of they all closed down overnight (shame that's not possible)
#26 Mister Lamar on 26 Aug 2004 - 23:45
what? thats unsupercool
#27 xtatic43 on 27 Aug 2004 - 01:51
ahaha i was wondering if i pgp-ed my entire hard disk they technically cannot persecute me for anything right?
#28 JOEWARE on 27 Aug 2004 - 02:42
Isn't DC++ & Direct Connect the same thing? o_O
#29 Genesi on 27 Aug 2004 - 02:46
The only way they will ever kill off, for the most part, piracy is to shut down newsgroups. It's articles like these where I'm glad if the RIAA show up and accuse me of stealing I not only show them that I bought the product, but have the reciet as well. Never, kept reciets past 30 days, but this (RIAA) is getting out of hand and it seems that even those who do things the honest way get punished.
(1 reply) #30 antny_uk on 27 Aug 2004 - 08:52
If people download/steal copyrighted material they should get everything they deserve!!!
#30.1 Foub on 27 Aug 2004 - 10:24
You'd make a good nazi since you actually believe all of the lies groups like the RIAA say.
(1 reply) #31 Magallanes on 27 Aug 2004 - 15:46
For each $10 spend in music, only less a $1 goes to the artist (many receive only cents), the rest goes to the manager (>20%), the companny, technical, marketing , lawyers.... So, it's not strange to see artist making live concerts because they earn a lot more for it and live concerts cannot suffer about piracy.

#31.1 X-Spyder on 27 Aug 2004 - 19:14
Manager's make that much? Wow, I had always heard it was less and the recording company picked up nearly all of it. It's really not a very good business if you ask me. I don't download music, but I must say I find it strange that CD sales still go up.

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