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Google Not Censoring Image Results

Mr magoo   on 08 November 2004 - 11:34 · 29 comments & 3609 views

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Last night, popular web portal Slashdot ran a member submitted article suggesting that search giant Google was censoring results on its image search page. Google has (correctly) been accused of censorship before, except previously it had been limited to countries like China. However, the implication here was the Google Images were not showing up for politically sensitive results; it was suggested that this was "another case of our administration confusing "National Security" with "Politically Undesirable". Examples given were Lynndie England, the woman who featured in many of the pictures from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

We contacted Google, who directed us to this response posted in the Slashdot comments :

"Hi All, Sergey asked me to pass this on: In short, there is no censorship here. We are embarrassed that our image index is not updated as frequently as it should be. Expect a refresh in the near future. In the meantime, you can just search on Google Web Search for [Abu Graib Photos] to get plenty of what you are looking for."

Clearly, a case of 2 and 2 making 7. However, it does highlight the apparent ease that false news can be propagated on the web via "submission based" sites. Negative coverage on such a large site as Slashdot can be very damaging for any company, especially with accusations of censorship. One would hope that Slashdot check there article submissions a little more carefully, and that Google update their image index very soon.

View: Slashdot.org
View: Google.com


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(8 replies) #1 scoobydoobie on 08 Nov 2004 - 11:49
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One would hope that Slashdot check there article submissions a little more carefully


That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

They corrected thier accusation at 5:45 p.m. last night. This shouldn't even be headline news. Or rather, it's headline news ONLY becouse you can take a jab at the competition.
#1.1 Neobond on 08 Nov 2004 - 12:12
Google found it important enough to respond to the /. article, so whats wrong with us reporting the whole incident in hindsight?
#1.2 scoobydoobie on 08 Nov 2004 - 12:23
seeing as how the article was up for only about 6 hours before they admitted thier mistake should be enough. There was no real reason to even post this article. Slashdot posted it then they posted an update the same day. Neowin is posting about something that was corrected a day ago. The only reason neowin ran the article (IMO) is becouse they wanted to take a little jab at Slashdot. There really is no other reason to post something like this
#1.3 Atmos42 on 08 Nov 2004 - 12:55
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There really is no other reason to post something like this


Sure there is! Neowin is the first place I go, so I wouldn't have heard about this unless they had posted it here. Keep up the good work guys!
#1.4 theyarecomingforyou on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:52
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The only reason neowin ran the article (IMO) is becouse they wanted to take a little jab at Slashdot.


What an ignorant viewpoint. Neowin has no reason to criticise Slashdot and the story is of interest to a lot of people - it is important to show that mistakes can be made, rather than burying them and pretending news reporting is perfect.
#1.5 Sticktron on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:01
Here's a good reason why Neowin should have posted this news: I saw the original article last night, while surfing, and so had reason to suspect that Google was indeed playing pick-and-choose; now today, thanks to this article noting the correction, I know that Google isn't censoring, but just bad at keeping up with image indexing.
#1.6 Neobond on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:04
scoobydoobie I can assure you we aren't making a cheap jab at /. at all..

it may be hard to believe this but Tom (Mr Magoo) is a frequent visitor and submits articles there too, he has no reason to dirty their site in the way you think.

Its completely valid, if anything it shows the power a site like /. has when stuff falls through the net that may not be entirely accurate (pun intended)
#1.7 NeoReader on 08 Nov 2004 - 19:46
I like to 2nd the responce from Atmos42.

I wouldn't have heard about this EITHER unless they had posted it here. Keep up the good work guys!
#1.8 cnmsales on 08 Nov 2004 - 21:30
The only problem I have with this is that it was not mentioned in the article here that slashdot had quickly posted the second comment updating and correcting the mistake.
#2 moeburn on 08 Nov 2004 - 12:15
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Clearly, a case of 2 and 2 making 7.

Why?
(1 reply) #3 Ifoow on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:00
The search for Abu Graib Photo's doesn't give any of the shocking ones though
#3.1 theyarecomingforyou on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:08
I still believe they are censoring information - there are lots of other examples of missing information that is suspicious. I certainly feel that the US government has a lot of pull over Google, even though there is no conclusive evidence for this.

For instance nearly all of the Abu Ghraib pictures are missing - they can't be too controversial if British newspapers can run them on the front pages and even IF they are Google shouldn't be deciding what is moral for us for see (read: censorship). If Google isn't "updated as frequently as it should be" on something as major as this, and which is over a month old, then there is something seriously wrong.

Google is great for somethings, but it is becoming increasingly unreliable for politically sensitive information/images. Even Ask Jeeves (ask.com) comes up with pictures of Lynndie England and Abu Ghraib photos - this would lead me to conclude that Google is either incompetent or censoring information. Heck, Ask Jeeves links to one of the controversial pictures of Abu Ghraib on the BBC website - Google is definitely searching the BBC website. Suspicious doesn't cover it.
#4 SaLiVa on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:16
Is Google too popular?
#5 lare2 on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:16
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One would hope that Slashdot check there article submissions a little more carefully


Give them a break, I mean, they recieve houndreds of submition a day.
(2 replies) #6 kioria on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:41
Sensitive or not, confidential or not, every search engine should do what it does. Everything a bot has access to, that is, everything that is publicly accessible, should be indexed. Even if some stupid bank managed to flourish their website(s) with credit card numbers. You think something is senstive, make it secure. ONE thing that bothers me, is the ability to look up any porm materials by disabling the filter option. This must be stopped.
#6.1 Sticktron on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:57
You just made a great point, and then completely contradicted yourself. How can you argue for everything to be indexed, and then go on to say that porn should be excluded? Especially since there is a filter for that specific reason, that you have to disable manually before seeing any adult content. If everything in the public domain is indexed--as it should be--then that means everything: porn, credit card numbers, racist propaganda, politically sensitive dialog... everything.

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#6.2 kioria on 10 Nov 2004 - 05:52
Yeah I guess that is the hard but, defining everything. Really, I personally dont see anything wrong with search engines returning with sensitive information such as racist propaganda, cc numbers... etc, except one - porn. Filtered or not, porn materials should be excluded from the results, unless or otherwise made explicit by the government officials in which case I think it is not a controversial issue. But other then that, my first comment says it all.
#7 Gowcra on 08 Nov 2004 - 13:59
yeah totally mate!

your double post was removed

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#8 jmc777 on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:29
Die Google
#9 Red Dragon on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:39
Slashdot? Check a story? HA!
#10 Cryptic_Night on 08 Nov 2004 - 14:52
I don't use image results for the fact that when I want images, I want information also.
#11 Cmdr. Grunt on 08 Nov 2004 - 15:03
My take on this is, even if slashdot jumped the gun, it greased the wheels. Google came in and publicly apologized for their index being behind in updates, and then promised to initiate another one soon. I don't think Yahoo, as big as it has gotten would have even made an appearance like that, but I couldn't rule it out. Google is still fairly light weight, and does seem to connect with the community more. I also would have to agree, their image indexing system is less reliable for results at the moment. Hopefully this coverage will help them tighten their belt and fix their shirt, so to speak.

Another example would be Sprint. There were rumours going around that they would be disabling the dial up networking profile for their bluetooth phones, like the Treo 650. An Orielly network blog called them out on it, stirring up questions, and someone from sprint's data group had to come on and publicly announce they would not be hindering any data access in any way, and promoted the fact that you can use bluetooth to connect to the internet using your phone as an option.

Sometimes a sounding board to a large audience gets things moving. That's a good thing.
(1 reply) #12 Gulfisland on 08 Nov 2004 - 16:45
Man I read everything over at slashdot, and I still think that google is censoring
#12.1 tiwaris on 08 Nov 2004 - 17:16
I second you. But I still do not think that Google is evil. It's just the way the world operates.
#13 8-n-1 on 08 Nov 2004 - 17:10
'Clearly, a case of 2 and 2 making 7. However, it does highlight the apart ease that false news can be propagated on the web via "submission based" sites.'


I think the word you want there is apparent.
(1 reply) #14 lwebster_2000 on 08 Nov 2004 - 19:57
Looks like Neobond is doing a bit of his own censorship on this comment board right here!
#14.1 chacho on 09 Nov 2004 - 00:07
proof?

and even if you can prove it, its his site, and by joining you accept the rules, which give the mods the right to remove your comments.
#15 eSouL on 08 Nov 2004 - 23:52
Those who want to search for Lynndie England can try Yahoo! Image Search
#16 comctrl6 on 09 Nov 2004 - 06:03
I guess you guys are just trying to drive some traffic to your site to test your servers and see how long they will last against Slashdotting. Don't ask for it because you might just get it!

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