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MSN Search Beta Launched, Google Fights Back

Mr magoo   on 11 November 2004 - 11:42 · 48 comments & 6746 views

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Today, Microsoft launched a public beta of their search offering, MSN Search. New features include integration with other Microsoft sites (e.g. Encarta, MSN Music), basic questions search (e.g. What is the capital of Turkey? -> result from Encarta), and a useful search builder tool to help build advance queries fully utilising all the features on offer. The search currently has an index of 5bn pages. Whilst Neowin was in Paris last week, Microsoft told us that one of the key features would be keeping the index fresh, and made a provisional pledge to update it every 7 - 10 days (max); the problems of letting an index go stale were highlighted by Google earlier in the week.

Microsoft has clearly stated that their goal with MSN Search is "to help customers find what they want faster". They want to give people better results, clearer results (i.e. cut out the chaff), and give a more personalized set of results. Apparently, it takes the average user 11 minutes to find what they wanted on a search engine. Yet the other goal is the whole issue of fighting back against Google's 60% market share (MS have 9.6% of the search market). Microsoft has admitted they neglected search technology (they previously licensed search from Inktomi), and over the last few years have invested a lot of money into improving their offering.

But, today isn't just about MSN Search. Not to be out done, Google announced they had doubled the size of their index to 8bn pages. Often said, it's not the size that counts, but how you use it. If Google can continue to return useful results to users, many will see no reason to switch. Microsoft fight an uphill battle in that they have to first persuade users to use their search, and secondly return better results than the competition. However, part of this is quite simple; integration into MSN.com (default homepage for many IE users) and a variety of other sites means that a lot of users will be using MSN search without even knowing they switched. MSN Search will also be integrated with future desktop search solutions, which Microsoft will be releasing in the months to come.

View: MSN Search (Beta) | Google.com
View: MSN Search Beta Groups (Thanks Bink)


Cont...

Digital Illusions recently bought out New York based Trauma Studios, which created the popular Desert Combat modification for Battlefield 1942, paying $500,000 for the studio according to today's announcement, which confirmed that the studio is working on a new PC title based on the Battlefield 2 engine.

The company also today revealed that it has signed a contract for a next-generation console title, targetted at Xbox 2 and PlayStation 3, which will launch in late 2006 or early 2007 and will also have PS2 and Xbox SKUs created by the firm's Canadian studio.

This is in addition to an action game which had initially been targetted at PS2 and Xbox, but has recently been upgraded to being a PS3 and Xbox 2 game aimed at a 2007 launch. Like the other next-gen title, this will be developed at the firm's Swedish studio.

Both of these titles are signed to Electronic Arts, which owns a significant stake in Digital Illusions, and today's announcement provides firm proof that the giant company is already looking ahead to the next generation - although particularly interesting is the apparent intention to keep supporting the Xbox and PS2 right through into late 2006, even building SKUs of next-generation titles for the older platforms.

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(1 reply) #1 Dayon on 11 Nov 2004 - 11:47
Oh wow. It looks like google, but without the big 'google' up top.
#1.1 [Fosters] on 11 Nov 2004 - 16:59
I like this new search.

Some of the nice features I found are:
You can search by longitute, latitude
http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=...d%2C+OR&FORM=QB

Match calculations
http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=...24%29&FORM=QBRE

Freshness of search results (using the search builder button)
http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=...00%7D&FORM=QBRE

Looking for more...
(2 replies) #2 slapnuts_ox on 11 Nov 2004 - 11:51
see this is the kind of business pratices that MS does which got them in trouble in the first place. I hate it when MS pulls this crap. MS Windows should ship with www.microsoft.com as the IE homepage, it should not ship with MSN either messenger or the MSN web browser. When will MS learn.......
#2.1 Ideas Man on 11 Nov 2004 - 11:57
There's nothing wrong with that, although I don't live in the US and so it is pointless for me, many people may find the content MSN.com offers great. If they want to use Google, there's nothing stopping them and there's nothing stopping them from changing their homepage.
#2.2 slapnuts_ox on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:26
agreed but the average user is also quite dumb and would simply use what works. Right now this is easy to say because google is so big but if MS keeps up this pratice who knows....maybe google will go the way of netscape.

im just saying that ms shouldn't be trying to promote their other stuff by using windows, it should be promoted seperatly.
(2 replies) #3 bink on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:00
Tom, I think you mean the Beta is officially started.

Beta.search.msn.com

Bink.nu article
#3.1 ClintEastman on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:02
Yeh... Was i little confused for a second there!!
#3.2 vetMr magoo on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:17
Sorry for the confusion... will update.
(1 reply) #4 ClintEastman on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:04
Seemes to be down right now... "This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon."
#4.1 ClintEastman on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:06
Oh, Back up now...
#5 Jugalator on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:06
Oooh, exciting, it is times of web searching wars!

I've tried out the MSN Search now and it seems it still has quite a bit to go for me to switch with too many downright bugged features. I'll come back to check when it's done though... Good to see MS is trying to compete, competition is good for us.
(2 replies) #6 kljs on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:08
well, I use my name (rl) to search and the winner is....no one.

well, actually, MSN managed to put my blog in page 1 of the search(no.7 on the page), while Google only managed to put it at the end of page 2.

one up for msn.

the rest of the search that I gave me the same results.

google still rules with the "I'm Feeling Lucky" thingy.
#6.1 Jugalator on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:10
QUOTE
google still rules with the "I'm Feeling Lucky" thingy.

Especially in Firefox where typing something in the address bar makes a I'm Feeling Lucky search.
I really like that feature and it's so clever you wonder why it hadn't been done before.

Type "neowin" and Google tells Firefox it's Neowin.net you want to, type "windows xp" and you go to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/default.mspx.

It's among my favorite features in that browser.
#6.2 carpediem on 11 Nov 2004 - 15:20
this would even be possible with plain IE, as well as with a bunch of other browsers. So it's not "Especially" in FF
#7 specialtech on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:28
This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon.
Didn't get the results you expected? Help us improve.
#8 greg098 on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:29
yeah it didnt work for me either
#9 ClintEastman on 11 Nov 2004 - 12:56
one word "standard" searches work... anything else is bust!
#10 sloppycode on 11 Nov 2004 - 13:01


bom cha
(1 reply) #11 Quick Reply on 11 Nov 2004 - 13:31
Glad that it's beta, I would be ashamed if this is the best they have got. And if they want to get anywhere they have to acknowledge other browsers and support full compatability with them; 10% userbase isn't much to worry about, but it's the same 10% that have computer skills, are the advocates of great websites for others to follow and have the most influential power over friends and colleagues as to how they use their computers.
#11.1 VaLUnTriAn on 11 Nov 2004 - 14:10
I would say at least 20% of the IE userbase have computer skills.
(1 reply) #12 XxDesmus_MODxX on 11 Nov 2004 - 14:09
what's this site then? Search.msn.com
#12.1 VaLUnTriAn on 11 Nov 2004 - 14:11
beta.search.msn.com like it shows above.
#13 joseph0324 on 11 Nov 2004 - 14:26
I love the look of MSN Beta.
Minimalistic and unobstructive, yet beautiful!!!
But search doesn't work for me at the moment.
(3 replies) #14 Lys on 11 Nov 2004 - 14:58
This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon.

Not the most auspicious of starts!
#14.1 AminoSC on 11 Nov 2004 - 15:01
It hasn't started. It's Beta.
#14.2 KayMan2K on 11 Nov 2004 - 15:48
Google worked better in beta.
#14.3 [Fosters] on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:31
Google didn't have to run two sites in parallel.
MSN has to run search.msn.com along with this new beta servers.
Wierdly, They also see to be running a third techpreview and a sandbox site. Go figure.
#15 chacho on 11 Nov 2004 - 15:19
meh..
#16 sup191 on 11 Nov 2004 - 15:31
Is Microsoft using Google as a way of crawling the web?

http://www.webpronews.com/insiderreports/searchinsider/wpn-49-20041111MicrosoftCrawlingGoogleResultsForNewSearchEngine.html


It sounds feasible. I wouldn't put anything past Microsoft - especially when they might be beat at something...
#17 Greenstein on 11 Nov 2004 - 17:28
Google rules the school beeotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#18 ClintEastman on 11 Nov 2004 - 17:48
It's up and running now... i have to admit... I quite like it!
(2 replies) #19 Emon on 11 Nov 2004 - 17:53
this stupid site dont even validate based on their DOCTYPE ..

why do they bother using a DOCTYPE anyway then ..

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.search.msn.com%2F
#19.1 [Fosters] on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:29
Are you kidding me.
Just 1 error!
That is the most complaint webpage I have come across.

Anyways any web developer who want to supports all new and legacy browsers (Netscape 4 being the worst) knows that the validator is pretty much useless.

#19.2 elliot on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:30
Dude it has one single error. I was really impressed that it even had a doctype.

Good job MSN.
#20 jerry on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:18
um ... why is it showing my ISP's name ?

Last edited by 32225 on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:24
(2 replies) #21 Himosan on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:36
So it appears they're stealing googles cache to power this search. So typical, so sad, so pathetic.

http://www.webpronews.com/insiderreports/searchinsider/wpn-49-20041111MicrosoftCrawlingGoogleResultsForNewSearchEngine.html

#21.1 [Fosters] on 11 Nov 2004 - 18:54
Sheesh! People will write anything to sling mud on MSN.
#21.2 Ideas Man on 12 Nov 2004 - 06:28
Um, no, have a closer look, they are different.
#22 elliot on 11 Nov 2004 - 19:26
I think this is great, as soon as someone makes a plugin for firefox's search bar i'll start using it fulltime.
#23 Fagutish on 11 Nov 2004 - 19:34
QUOTE
What is the capital of Turkey?


For those who were wondering it is Ankara, not Istanbul.
#24 Mx² on 11 Nov 2004 - 19:40
This is nice
#25 s0wi on 11 Nov 2004 - 20:24
i like
#26 _//_TechTV on 12 Nov 2004 - 03:14
Aaaaaaaaaaaahh!! Too many ads!
#27 Ideas Man on 12 Nov 2004 - 06:29
Ah, I like this, it does a much better job of searching my site than google, and I never submitted it to either
#28 markjensen on 12 Nov 2004 - 12:09
Interesting...

See what the new Microsoft search thinks is the best operating system.
#29 MorganX on 12 Nov 2004 - 13:58
The problme with MSN search, is the same as it has always been, lack of meaningful search results. If I enter Event ID 7004, Microsoft Search returns 1 technical link, it's own knowledge base, whereas Google returns 8 very diverse technical documents.

MSN will NEVER EVER come close to replacing google until it starts returning meaningful search results. I find 80% of MSN Search results to be ads or spam-like dribble. It's actually quite ridiculous.
#30 funkyMonkey on 12 Nov 2004 - 15:01
do a search for and look at the 1st found entry LOL
lick my hairy beanbag microsoft
#31 bilbobaggins on 12 Nov 2004 - 16:10
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and over the last few years have invested a lot of money into improving their offering


They just don't get it. It isn't enough to pour the money in and hope a search engine will come out on the other end. As ever, MS's answer to everything is: put some money into it. If it doesn't work well enough, no problem, you just have to make people believe it's what they want - which has also been one of MS's first marketing points over the years. And there's where their money can buy success.

What MS doesn't do now, somebody else does it. When that somebody else is good enough to be a threat, they will start doing it themselves too. If they can't do good enough, they buy out everybody else. Then say they wer ethe first ever to do that, and when somebody disagrees, they pay them out.

Let's just see what will they do about Google's and for example Firefox's superiority iin two aspects which are becoming the most wanted these days: good search and browse functionality.

I just cross my fingers.

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