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Air Force to rely on Microsoft for network security

hadiz   on 19 November 2004 - 01:56 · 74 comments & 3916 views

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The U.S. Air Force is drafting Microsoft to help simplify its networks and software contracts, which could improve its computer security and deliver savings of $100 million.

The military agency is consolidating its 38 software contracts and nine support contracts with the company into two all-encompassing, agencywide agreements, according to a statement seen by CNET News.com. The move is part of the "One Air Force, One Network" strategy that the Air Force plans to announce on Friday. An Air Force representative confirmed many details of the announcement, including that it is expected to save the agency $100 million over six years.

"The consolidation will result in standard configurations for all Microsoft desktop and server software," the Air Force said in the statement. "The standard configurations will enforce rigorous security profiles and will be updated on-line with security patches and software updates."

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(7 replies) #1 Hurmoth on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:00
Well, our military is going to crash now
#1.1 noyb on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:08
Its possible, no system is 100% safe but the design of Windows that being an entangled one adds extra uncertainty to the system. Also with such mission critical and important systems it would be foolish to allow the security of the systems to be dependent on MS by going with an open source approach they can take responsibility for their own security.

A similar story to this can be found here
#1.2 figgy on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:13
Microsoft has EAL 4 Common Criteria Certification. Netware is only other strong contender at this level.
Therefore the Air Force made a good choice.
#1.3 Quick Reply on 19 Nov 2004 - 05:05
It's not that it 's Microsoft, it's that their entire network is dependant on one system, if that one system should fail, then so does their entire network.
#1.4 SVT on 19 Nov 2004 - 13:27
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Microsoft has EAL 4 Common Criteria Certification. Netware is only other strong contender at this level.


Wrong. Solaris is the strongest contender at this level and also has the largest market share where EAL4 is required.

SVT
#1.5 Darkinspiration on 19 Nov 2004 - 16:05
it 's not like novell is bad in fact it's one of te best in that regard. A good novel tree is redundant so you can function even if one or more server is down. with microsoft ads it's not always the case.
#1.6 ednogg on 19 Nov 2004 - 16:56
Wrong. There are Trusted versions of Solaris and Linux that have higher security ratings than anything produced by MS. Check out nsa.gov, click on Research, and learn about Trusted Linux.
#1.7 deadmonkey on 19 Nov 2004 - 17:21
Yes but Solaris can't run Windows applications and unless you want to spend another $100m training everyone on how to use Solaris it isn't really an option.

d'oh!
(12 replies) #2 figgy on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:07
100 million is hardly anthing by airforce standards. Still corner cutting is always good.

A single F/A-22 Raptor costs about $250 million.
I hope they stop getting these ridiculously expensive airplanes and concentrate on cheaper means of defence.

#2.1 versiondub on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:18
Considering how far our military has advanced, 250 million is pocket change, and it should be. In world war II, the Japanese's flagship, that cost almost 7 billion to build, never even got to fire a shot. It was destroyed by two planes that had come off of a ford assembly line. At that point, warfare had advanced to such a point that wars can and should be fought from the air. The only distinguishing factor militarily between us and the terrorists is that they can't raise enough money to pay for an FA/22 Raptor - so we should use our advantages...guess...to our advantage, and keep building planes that can perform precision airstrikes. It wins us wars.
#2.2 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:20
agree
#2.3 Zarathustra on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:05
Airpower hasn't won a single war.
#2.4 Firecat on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:21
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...warfare had advanced to such a point that wars can and should be fought from the air. The only distinguishing factor militarily between us and the terrorists is that they can't raise enough money to pay for an FA/22 Raptor - so we should use our advantages...guess...to our advantage, and keep building planes that can perform precision airstrikes. It wins us wars.


Unfortunately, that's a wide misconception people have today. Wars are won through the use of troops (manpower) and clever propaganda. Technology just makes things a tad bit easier, that's all.

Depend too much on techonology and it will lead to our ultimate demise.
#2.5 Dayon on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:23
See Stargate: Atlantis.....

#2.6 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 04:02
zarathuthra consider the world war 2 ok? Midway?
sounds familiar?
after the attacks on pearl harbor,and BEFORE the nuclear bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki,the japanese military was almost wiped out,then they used the so called kamikazes to stop america's advance,crashing them to U.S ships

read about it before posting anything regarding air-power
#2.7 Daybreak on 19 Nov 2004 - 08:13
Airpower won't win a war. Simply because all the airpower in the world won't help you take the land. Sure, you may be able to bomb the **** out of others, but you'll still need actual infantry to take the ground and secure it. After all, even ships need somewhere to dock and refuel/repair and so do aircraft. All the airpower in Vietnam didn't do any good.
#2.8 Ph8l on 19 Nov 2004 - 08:48
Midway a war? i thought it was a battle?
#2.9 saranya on 19 Nov 2004 - 09:47
actually, most recently when the US entered Afghanistan and won, it was not a "war" per say, but it was done primarily with Air power. Believe it or not, this shocked quite a bit of the world that the US did this with mainly the Air Force and was just one of the stepping stones that put France and some other nations on edge as it cleary demostrated the US militray power.

remember when the Soviet spent several years and could never win over afghanistan...even on land.
#2.10 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 12:14
air-power is the most important factor to win a war,that's what i was saying
#2.11 SVT on 19 Nov 2004 - 13:31
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Airpower hasn't won a single war.


Yea, like how Japan surrendered in WWII after all those US troops invaded the country. Oh wait...
#2.12 JaggedFlame on 19 Nov 2004 - 14:31
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Yea, like how Japan surrendered in WWII after all those US troops invaded the country. Oh wait...


Yeah, because we all know that wars absolutely have to take place in one of the countries that are fighting.
(8 replies) #3 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:08
hmmm i think,that for this decision,microsoft has proved stability and confidence,nice indicator microsoft,nice indicator

i think 100% that the software has been tested,so i'm confident on that decision,also the F-22 raptor is an expensive airplane because of it's technology,also their maintainance costs are 50% less,so in anear future,i think around 2007 the U.S military will cut costs by 40%

the cost of being the superpower and staying way ahead of rivals

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#3.1 code_monkey on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:15
reminds, me, of, that, time, that, the, missile, cruiser, was, left, dead, in, the, water, after, a, database, overflow, in, Win, NT.
#3.2 figgy on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:22
Me hopes you are right!
At $400 billion dollars US spends 6 times as much as the next highest military spender.
Saving of $160 billion can do a lot of good.
#3.3 MG-Cloud on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:29
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reminds, me, of, that, time, that, the, missile, cruiser, was, left, dead, in, the, water, after, a, database, overflow, in, Win, NT.


Owwwww.... coke just flew out of my nose ... that hurts ...
#3.4 figgy on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:38
Damn code_monkey. Nice cooked up story.
db overflow : god knows what on earth is that?

Military ship have several reduntant backup systems.
Software failures will not strand a ship.
#3.5 code_monkey on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:03
#3.6 Dayon on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:25
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The source of the problem on the Yorktown was that bad data was fed into an application running on one of the 16 computers on the LAN. The data contained a zero where it shouldn't have, and when the software attempted to divide by zero, a buffer overrun occurred -- crashing the entire network and causing the ship to lose control of its propulsion system.


So their error checking sucked
#3.7 Sn1p3t on 19 Nov 2004 - 04:04
Yeah, too bad the inicident was while they were testing the system. I've yet to see a product in testing that didn't have problems...
#3.8 Copperhead on 19 Nov 2004 - 17:53
WOW EduardValencia i didn't realizes you were a military analyst now, well anyway just little comment on the F-22

The plane cost so much money to build and maintain that it started the JSF (Joint strike fighter) project between the US, UK and a few other NATO members. This plane is going to replace the Harrier, Jaguar, F-16 and most other fighter planes.

The fact is not even the US can afford to have huge squadrons F-22 Raptors , B2-Spirits and Stealth fighters coz they cost much. If the current trend for the price of fighter planes continue in about 30 years the entire US defense budget will go on ONE fighter plane.

Theres a good chance the F22 will go down in history as the most expensive fighter plane ever built, so stop talking about bullsh*t figures which clearly know nothing about.

Also why do think there so much interest in drone planes, now there's a scary though predator drones with little "designed for Windows XP" stickers on them.


(2 replies) #4 Hills420 on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:13
dumb *******s... is *nix really that hard to learn?
#4.1 markjensen on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:20
I don't think it was an issue of learning unix. I think it was more or less just a cost savings initiative to consolidate their equipment to one type. If they had 95% Windows boxes and 5% other (*nix, what-not), I could see that the initial costs would likely be lower to use Windows across the board.
#4.2 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:46
glad to meet you again markjensen
(2 replies) #5 OptiPlex on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:22
Let's make fun of Microsoft instead of commenting on the news! Fanboys unite
#5.1 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:25
pathetic
#5.2 SquareSoft0 on 19 Nov 2004 - 06:24
He's being sarcastic.
#6 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:22
the time will show the stability and confidence,let's see what happens and then judge for yourselves,stop flaming before mounting the horse
#7 webeagle12 on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:26
damn everything will be crashing down
(3 replies) #8 scoobydoobie on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:39
Don't be idiots. Do you really think that the Military would just close thier eyes and pick an Operating System? Now, your talking about the Government here. You know, the Government that spends gazillions of our tax dollars on every study concievable. Do you really think they didn't have some of thier top Computer people research thier needs before choosing? Pulllleeease.

Quit the belly aching. Deal with the truth about it. get on with your lives.
#8.1 zivan56 on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:44
They most likely chose it because of its certification. In other words, they prefer to have a paper rather than use real world experiance in these types of things, that way they can blame microsoft for the bad decisions easily.
#8.2 weenur on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:17
Hehe... @scoobydoobie, if it were only true. The decision makers in the military aren't always the best qualified. Often times they spend money because if they don't, they lose the budget the following year. There is a lot of waste happening in the military. There isn't a lot of long-term thinking going on, either.
#8.3 STV on 19 Nov 2004 - 06:21
A network is only as secure as the admin makes it.

STV
(3 replies) #9 barborge on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:41
This is awesome. It's about time. I work for the AF and they have a big mess. NT boxes, Win2k, WinXP. I think this is a smart move. Bring on Win 2003 Server and XP Pro workstations.
#9.1 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:43
thanks for proving it in front of the "fanboys"
#9.2 bogd on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:35
we are just now getting windows xp on our machines at work
#9.3 mgleason007 on 22 Nov 2004 - 06:05
[QUOTE] thanks for proving it in front of the "fanboys" [/QUOTE]
Seriously, just shut the hell up. You never have a clue as to what you are talking about. You were pwned about 1200 times in the "Microsoft suing Linux" post.
#10 andyandy on 19 Nov 2004 - 02:54
Why shouldn't they use it? The US government has certified Microsoft Windows 2000 holds their security requirements... see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...0/secureev.mspx and http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/...es/default.mspx.

Reasons for not using Microsoft Windows 2000 for this is:
a) Needs higher degree of certification.
b) Finds out their certification process is fcked up.
c) Reads too much /.

See here for other alternatives http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/vpl/vpl_typ...operatingsystem. Guess TCO is important here too...
#11 jivemastert on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:19
sounds good to me. i have no problems with windows.
(3 replies) #12 eilegz on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:31
well the US air force should expect an unreliable and very expensive system but thats good i guess
#12.1 bogd on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:38
yeah because Windows is a piece of crap and it always crashes...not

We have a server up in my shop that runs Windows Server 2003 and so far it's been reliable.


People are forgetting that Windows is a lot more stabler than it use to be. It's not like they are installing Windows 3.1,

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#12.2 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 03:42
Agree


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#12.3 virtorio on 19 Nov 2004 - 04:47
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well the US air force should expect an unreliable and very expensive system but thats good i guess

You'd have a point if it were unreliable and expensive. But it is reliable and on a network of this size its not that expensive.
#13 CaKeY on 19 Nov 2004 - 05:30
I'm gonna get me a plane!
#14 Quick Reply on 19 Nov 2004 - 05:35
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"One Air Force, One Network"


I have nothing wrong against Windows, but that's absolutely stupid, even if that one network was Unix.

By having the whole Air Force integrated into not only one central network, but one system(Windows in this case) too, would make them extremely vunerable should the system(Windows) fail because of a Bug, Worm, or even a probably hacking from personelle with Administrator rights/exploits an unfound privledge elevation vunerbility, or hacker from another country that can might inflitrate the server farm and get local priviledge elevation, which would affect all of the same System, as has happened in Widows and Unix before. By having a hybrid network of many operating systems, should one system fail, the others would still be running as normal, and also the Network should be componentised into seperate locations instead of having access from the East being exactly the same as having access from the West.
#15 lare2 on 19 Nov 2004 - 05:50
IMO for this type of standarization they want to achieve. I would make a deal with IBM instead of microsoft. with whatever system they choose, but implemented by IBM. They are very good an this stuff, Expensive, but good at it.
(2 replies) #16 cjphilogelos on 19 Nov 2004 - 06:43
Zarathustra

"Airpower hasn't won a single war."

I pity your ignorance
I'm am in the air force. You are correct though Air Power has not won a war, by it self, but neither have ground troops without any help from the air or sea. We all work as a team to fight wars. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't make any more retarded comments like that about my Air Force. And about the comment about the cost of the F/A-22, you would be surprised how much it costs our aging fleet of F-15s and F-16s to stay in the air.
#16.1 Ph8l on 19 Nov 2004 - 09:06
I pitty yours...

You do realise there was a time before air or sea? These wars where won by purely ground troops, no?
#16.2 saranya on 19 Nov 2004 - 09:55
ground troops using arrows, spears, and swords...compare that to machine guns, rockets, tanks...

the way modern warfare has developed over the centuries makes it incomparable to the way it was waged back in ancient times or even as close as colonial times (remember how the battles were fought then, two opposing armies would all gather on a field in straight lines and just shoot at each other?).

in modern times, you can not win a war purely with ground forces. You should take a more indepth look at the history of war and realize you really seem to know nothing but a misguided generalization.
(3 replies) #17 Mystnight on 19 Nov 2004 - 08:21
ok we spend about $350 billion a year on defense, and we are entrusting the OS the in made of security holes, and bugs onto our airforce? good god man, go to Linux
#17.1 figgy on 19 Nov 2004 - 08:59
And update the kernel every month.
No thank you.
#17.2 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 12:19
they chose windows,that means they preferred windows over linux.this means windows acomplish all security and reliable measures to be chosen.

anyways it doesen't matter if u like it or not
#17.3 SVT on 19 Nov 2004 - 15:22
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they chose windows,that means they preferred windows over linux


Wrong. This isn't Windows vs. Linux, this is Windows vs. Solaris vs. AIX.

SVT
(6 replies) #18 indiehead on 19 Nov 2004 - 09:42
don't do it.

last year the NSA announced they'd wrote their own super-secure version of linux so i'd use that one.

you may save money by switching to microsoft initially but you won't in the long run with support and licence fee contracts, trust me.

also going the microsoft way, may bring breaks in the security and truly give us web access to bomb plotting.......

imagine the new slogan....... 'where do you want to bomb today?'
#18.1 saranya on 19 Nov 2004 - 09:57
actually, i think it's the other way around. Initially, going linux would prove cheaper but longer term, it would cost more than going with windows.
#18.2 lare2 on 19 Nov 2004 - 11:24
^^ Oh, that "Get the Facts" Campain is giving results ....... J/K
#18.3 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 12:21
actually is the other way,linux is more expensive in a long term,since early adoption of that damn software is almost free
#18.4 SVT on 19 Nov 2004 - 15:24
Why do n00bs keep bringing up Linux? This has nothing to do with Linux. This is Windows vs. Solaris.
#18.5 markjensen on 19 Nov 2004 - 15:29
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actually is the other way,linux is more expensive in a long term

Ahhh, Eduard, my friend.

It seems that these grand, sweeping and all-inclusive statements have a way of not being wholly accurate.

http://www.novell.com/linux/truth/no_mention.html
Linux can be cheaper in some cases, just as Windows can be cheaper in others.

We will have to assume that the US Air Force (and thereby, the US Government) have done their research and determined that Windows was the better solution in this case. But to make an across-the-board claim of one over the other will not be accurate.
#18.6 EduardValencia on 19 Nov 2004 - 16:28
i thought linux was a contender

sorry jus learning markejensen
#19 dougkinzinger on 19 Nov 2004 - 14:09
NICE. Well done Microsoft.

--DK
#20 Borat on 19 Nov 2004 - 15:12
That is a really bad idea in the history of bad ideas. Microsoft sucks asswater. They are OK for desktops, but they HAVE NO BUSINESS IN SERVER LAND. UNIX, LINUX, MVS all would be better, more secure choices.

Our Airforce is like the best thing we got, and now, the opening act of a war against us will be, (very easily) hack and crash their network.

Do you remember the air traffic control going down in LA becuase of microsoft? How about the power going out in the east? how about apps crashing and hacked all over the planet that runs on microsoft servers? This sounds like something half assed clinton would do. 160 mill is chickenfeed when talking about security.


Air power has won wars. Kosovo, both gulf wars, us pacific. Without the high ground, you would be screwed.

End of Rant>>>
#21 nookadum on 19 Nov 2004 - 15:42
They better hope that the administrators of this new network ARE LIKE ROBOTS (dedicated to that one task of keeping Windows secure), otherwise they're gonna have problems if their systems are infected or a bug is found.
#22 betasp on 19 Nov 2004 - 16:41
In other news, a farmer in North Dakota has hired a wolf to guard the hen house. The farmer said, "It's gonna save me a bunch on money to have wolf keep an eye on my chickens. You know, wolves are good at hunting stuff."
#23 bucko on 19 Nov 2004 - 19:14
cant wait to see a BSOD

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