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New Netscape embraces Firefox, IE

malebolgia   on 01 December 2004 - 02:58 · 64 comments & 2794 views

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In the market for a hybrid engine? Netscape's new Web browser might be just the ticket.

As of 8 a.m. PST Tuesday, Netscape fans were test-driving a prototype Netscape browser that runs on two different browsing engines: the Mozilla Foundation's Gecko engine, which powers up the Mozilla, Firefox and older Netscape browsers, and Microsoft's Internet Explorer engine, which many consider the de facto Web standard.

The prototype's release follows earlier reports that the AOL unit planned a comeback for the Netscape browser and portal, as well as indications that the new browser would include some surprises under the hood. It also follows a years-long pattern of browser bet-hedging in which AOL has maintained its Netscape browser unit while supporting Microsoft's competing IE browser.

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(4 replies) #1 craZySoldier on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:03
why and how run 2 engins
#1.1 threedaysdwn on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:43
Maxthon already does this.

It uses the IE engine most of the time, but lets you switch to Gecko if you're a masochist
#1.2 Mav Phoenix on 01 Dec 2004 - 05:39
Ran Gecko in Maxthon...still wouldn't display the transparency in PNGs right.
#1.3 Deviate_X on 01 Dec 2004 - 11:25
Cause neowin looks really ugly with firefox.
#1.4 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:31
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Cause neowin looks really ugly with firefox.


Eh, not really. I havn't noticed any difference between the way Trident (IE), KHTML (Konqueror, Safari) or Gecko renders the page.

Maxthon's Gecko support is very much experimental though, use at your own risk. If you must use a Gecko browser that isn't Firefox or Mozilla Suite, try K-Meleon.
#2 briangw on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:04
I've been using it for a few hours and it's pretty solid. Of course, I'm still in the mindset that anything's better than IE
(2 replies) #3 Chrisnet on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:10
I'm becoming pretty loyal to firefox... maybe i'll install it and give it a whirl... not really keen on supporting aol though... haha
#3.1 MrCobra on 01 Dec 2004 - 06:17
You realize that the Mozilla source for FF came from Netscape to begin with. Which AOL owns and foots the bill for all hosting and server costs of FF. You support them either way.
#3.2 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:34
AOL neither owns the code or the Mozilla name, nor do they pay for bandwidth. They did, at one point. But when they decided to kill off Netscape, the formed the Mozilla Foundation as a non-profit, and gave them $2 Million. This was very nice of them IMHO, but supporting Mozilla is not support for AOL.
(1 reply) #4 ThePDW on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:16
I think I'll stick with firefox
#4.1 Corwin2 on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:20
I have all current browsers installed including the new netscape one. The UI is cluttered but there are good ideas, I don't think it will appeal to current firefox users, but it may interest mozilla suite users, it has a geeky look and feel
#5 daddy los on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:17
where can I get it?
(1 reply) #6 Kurono on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:22
I don't really like how the UI. Actually, I never really did like Netscape's new interface, but that's just me. Also, it seems...bloated...
#6.1 Wildcard on 01 Dec 2004 - 06:20
hence why you can change the theme eventualy and remove some of the icon
#7 Gaspar on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:30
I just installed it a few hours ago and using it all night.My first impression of it is that,hopefully,they'll get rid of that ugly green themes.
If you're gonna say when the browser comes out in a few months that it"s the new Netscape,might as well give it a brand new look,completely from A to Z.
(1 reply) #8 GT on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:36
Do we have to use that teal green? And what advantages does this have to Firefox users?
#8.1 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:40
The one great advantage is that you get an ugly theme and piles upon piles of advertising, all based off the worst build of firefox (0.9.3).
#9 craZySoldier on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:41
is it a public beta

if yes post a link
#10 EduardValencia on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:50
the browser is bloated,the splash screen is bad,don't like it,but it has IE and firefox engines,this beta,is for testing the engine not the UI,this is quite intersting,because is a move to make users switch to mozilla browsers.i'll be following the progresss

i've been testing it for almost a day or so.still it isn't what we want
(1 reply) #11 Netaku on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:54
If anyone has trouble finding a download location, and isn't afraid to waste ten minutes of their life playing with the damn thing, here's a mirror:
http://www.skizzers.org/mirror/NSbrowserSetup-Full.exe
#11.1 trenzterra on 02 Dec 2004 - 02:40
The link doesn't work!!!
(5 replies) #12 Webgraph on 01 Dec 2004 - 03:56
Hmmm. A very interesting concept. So if it uses both engines, does this mean that the new Netscape can access sites such as Windows Update? Also, will this be available for Linux?
#12.1 virtorio on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:05
Well, Windows Update sort of works, but it does this: (see screenshot)

#12.2 inziga on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:27
That interface is fugly and non-intuitive. I wonder who's running their design department that would let that pass through.
#12.3 virtorio on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:33
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That interface is fugly and non-intuitive. I wonder who's running their design department that would let that pass through.

How is it "non-intuitive"? Apart from having the loading image and menu swaped around its the same as Firefox and every other browser. In fact it actually saves quite a bit of space having the menu aligned on the title bar.

Its about as complicated as Notepad.
#12.4 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:44
There's crap everywhere on the screen!

The reason Mozilla gained popularity is because it didn't have all the added crap Netscape 6+ had. This is the same reason many Mozilla users went to Firefox.
#12.5 kitchenutensils on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:50
thats the most fugly screen of a browser i've ever seen omg that UI is so cluttered and ugly
#13 Dale on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:28
i like it but dont.

it feels cluttered, but it has the concept of firefox. i cant wait till the final version of this.
(2 replies) #14 nonsence on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:51
so then my question is...... if using the IE6 engine with this browser..... would i still be exploitable to the security flaws in IE?

lol... wouldn't it be funny if this browser just opens holes from both EI and Mozilla engines when a flaw is found in them. so instead of getting hit from one side, it's from both. lol. but yeah probably can't happen cus it needs to be told which "default" engine to use right?

anyways. i just really want to know about my first ie6 engine question.
#14.1 NyaR on 01 Dec 2004 - 04:57
yea u can still get raped in the ass through it unless u switch to gecko
#14.2 Craftos on 01 Dec 2004 - 08:57
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so then my question is...... if using the IE6 engine with this browser..... would i still be exploitable to the security flaws in IE?

Of course, switching to IE engine is (almost) like starting IE standalone. As for security difference is less than 1% IMO.
#15 beardly on 01 Dec 2004 - 05:11
Looks pretty good so far. The RSS feeds are pretty nice feature. I just wish that they would add some sort of ad blocking, unless there is something I'm missing.
(2 replies) #16 Mav Phoenix on 01 Dec 2004 - 05:39
Looks like ass covered in cat vomit.
#16.1 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:45
Well said.
#16.2 EduardValencia on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:25
#17 pixlnet on 01 Dec 2004 - 07:22
I'd like the simplicity of Safari in something like this. Does look a lil bloated when it doesnt need to be.
#18 switch007 on 01 Dec 2004 - 07:47
The main menu is in the most ridiculous place, it should be top left just like nearly every other application, god dammit, not the title of the current page!

Apart from the ugly green, and obviously so much like firefox, its disorganised, i think ill stick to firefox.
#19 jkinzer on 01 Dec 2004 - 08:33
AOL =
#20 greg098 on 01 Dec 2004 - 08:43
i like it, but hate the green. it looks yuck. How can i stop it from, when i right click on a link and go to open in new tab, it goes to that page. Its annoying cause i like to open a lot of tabs from one page and i dont want to have to keep going back to the first page. how can i fix this? is it a bug that will be fixed?
#21 Ian155 on 01 Dec 2004 - 08:48
Hmmmm.... have to say I'm not perticullerly impressed with it, it seems too bluky, slow and unorganised... but hey its a prototype I'm sure they can improve it bunt until then I'll stick with Firefox!
(1 reply) #22 stezo2k on 01 Dec 2004 - 09:32
I quite like the new interface, might be willing to give it a go if it isn't too bloated
#22.1 EduardValencia on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:28
u can customize it,removing all that crap is easy ,the problem is UI,looks very bulky and doesen't match with any skinny around i've used
#23 Jelly2003 on 01 Dec 2004 - 10:24
The browser has potential, but I was really dissapointed, because its so bloated, they need to remove all the useless stuff from it, and also get rid of that horrible theme.
#24 SeMz... on 01 Dec 2004 - 10:55
ugly ui
(3 replies) #25 Mathiasdm on 01 Dec 2004 - 12:17
How stupid can they be at AOL?
They implement the Gecko engine, but add ActiveX-support.
Active X is one of the things that make IE insecure.
Sigh.
#25.1 Magallanes on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:45
insecure but with more features.

Install flash "with activex" is childplay.
Install flash without activex is quite a burden.
#25.2 tapo on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:48
Remember, Firefox includes an automatic plugin installation system for virtually everything that's legit. It'll say it's missing Flash, you click on "Install Missing Plugins". It checks with Mozilla.org to see what plugin handles the MIME type you're looking at, and finds flash. Flash downloads and installs, and firefox reloads the page.

Basically, the only thing that ActiveX brings to Netscape is the ease of automatic spyware installation.
#25.3 Darkinspiration on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:49
beside burden ... you just have to dl the .exe and press next ééé dam your lazy ;-)
#26 Mr. Dee on 01 Dec 2004 - 12:47
This netscape seems too cluttered to me. They are still on the wrong path.
#27 [Thrice] on 01 Dec 2004 - 13:15
did they really need that much room for the new tab button??
#28 altezza on 01 Dec 2004 - 14:18
Looks like Netscape gonna take both IE and Firefox users.
#29 doubledragonxz on 01 Dec 2004 - 14:48
I dont like it, looks bluky and hugly.
(1 reply) #30 Ashl on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:54
Do firefox extensions work? I would only use it if they did i can't work without some of them!
#30.1 runningnak3d on 01 Dec 2004 - 19:21
No. I even tried copying them over to the extensions folder manually. They show up in the extension manager ... but no go.
#31 lare2 on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:34
Why in the hell do we need this. If you need to use ie engine, then open Internet Explorer. if need gecko then open any other gecko based browser
#32 theDose™ on 01 Dec 2004 - 19:30
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...Internet Explorer engine, which many consider the de facto Web standard.


Uh, you mean the de facto default browser, don't you? I'd say that IE barely follows any web standards.
(1 reply) #33 Daugirdas on 01 Dec 2004 - 21:05
They're still strugling. Why not just put the Netscape label over firefox logo?
#33.1 tiwaris on 01 Dec 2004 - 21:34
After hearing the news, my first impression was similar.
#34 paulhaskew on 02 Dec 2004 - 00:15
i agree... its fugly...
(1 reply) #35 Gott on 02 Dec 2004 - 02:36
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New Netscape embraces Firefox, IE


... isn't that supposed to be:

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New Netscape embarresses Firefox
#35.1 EmuZombie on 02 Dec 2004 - 15:52
no
#36 PGHammer on 03 Dec 2004 - 08:27
No, it does *not* embarass Firefox. In fact, it looks nothing LIKE Firefox.

I'm actually posting this from the new version of Netscape (which I have installed alongside, but separate from, Netscape 7.2, Firefox, and IE/Maxthon). One problem I have had in ALL other browsers (this includes IE, Maxthon, and both Netscape and Firefox, is the odd *browser hang*, even with sites that have no browser-specific code). Over the next day or two, I'll be throwing the Problem Sites (those mostly aimed towards IE or that have display issues in Firefo at the new Netscape and see if the issues persist.

Pddly enough, Neowin is one site that *has* Firefox issues (even in Firefox 1.0), but works fine in *Firescape* (Netscape with the Firefox engine), which pretty much wrecks the issues being engine related.
#37 antsy on 08 Dec 2004 - 00:50
So what are they saying, The next Netscape will e based on Firefox? I kinda guessed that would happen.
#38 antsy on 08 Dec 2004 - 00:52
You know what AOL should Just Sell Netscape.

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