ATI'S HIGH-END RADEON X800 CARDS have been reasonably successful by most measures. The technology is solid and, although a little older, more or less on par with NVIDIA's GeForce 6 series GPUs. They seem to be selling well, with big PC makers like Dell sucking up nearly all the cards ATI can supply. The cards' performance is decent, and ATI's market share numbers are up.

However, not all has been roses. NVIDIA's GeForce 6800 cards have been fierce competition, with the 16-pipe GeForce 6800 GT arguably offering a better value at $399 than the Radeon X800 Pro. Also, ATI's top-end product, the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition, has been exceptionally rare. Oh, sure, the streets aren't exactly awash in GeForce 6800 Ultras, but the Platinum Edition has been brutally scarce.

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Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by Fat Tony on 01 Dec 2004 - 15:35
same news just changed slightly...
(9 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by PimpinWithAaron on 01 Dec 2004 - 15:39
" The technology is solid and, although a little older, more or less on par with NVIDIA's GeForce 6 series GPUs"
Is that why they perform better in 3dmark and d3d games
an nividiot wrote this article
Quote this comment #2.1 Posted by ir0nw0lf on 01 Dec 2004 - 15:43
Yep, clearly an NVidiot wrote this article, solely based on what you quoted above...
Quote this comment #2.2 Posted by ripgut on 01 Dec 2004 - 15:55
Nvidiot? you deserve this:
Quote this comment #2.3 Posted by BeeJAyP on 01 Dec 2004 - 15:55
Yes because people with 'pimpin' in their nicknames who think it's cool to mix company names with a children's insult are always perfect sources for reliable unbiased information.
Quote this comment #2.4 Posted by ripgut on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:45
yea, its to my understanding that computers and pimping dont go hand in hand
Quote this comment #2.5 Posted by EduardValencia on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:54
who said nvidiot? KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL HIMMMMMMMMMM
Quote this comment #2.6 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 01 Dec 2004 - 18:41
<Bagdad_Bob>There is no such thing as "nvidiot" on the internet!</Bagdad_Bob>
//googles "nvidiot"
<Bagdad_Bob>I tell you, there are no "nvidiots" in Neowin.net!</Bagdad_Bob>
Quote this comment #2.7 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 01 Dec 2004 - 23:01
Wait, I thought 3dMark's reliability had died out along with their credibility, oh well.
Quote this comment #2.8 Posted by Raven_Nights on 02 Dec 2004 - 01:01
common mistake, dont worry
Quote this comment #2.9 Posted by CyberInferno on 02 Dec 2004 - 07:04
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Yep, clearly an NVidiot wrote this article, solely based on what you quoted above...

Clearly, you should try reading the article first.
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As most of you know, I rarely recommend that anyone actually purchase a $549 video card like the Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition, or even a $499 card like the X850 XT. That's a very high price to pay when there are better values to be had at $399 and below. However, if you want to have the fastest single graphics card available, the Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition is it. The X850 XT PE came out on top in the majority of our tests, and it did especially well when 4X antialiasing and 8X anisotropic filtering were enabled. The most notable exception was Doom 3, where the GeForce 6800 Ultra was faster, but not by all that much. ATI's decision to use application-specific optimizations in its video drivers, as NVIDIA has done for some time now, has allowed the Radeons to close the gap in Doom 3.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by Hurmoth on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:22
I ordered my ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition two weeks ago and I was told last week that it might not ship for another four weeks. CDW is reporting backorders all the way from September. Going to be a long wait for those wanting this card
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by shao on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:24
not to mention spelling it with an extra i!
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by soldier1st on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:27
maybe thats why nvidia cards are better
they have more to offer,even the older nvidia cards beat the ati cards hands down,everything works on them,ati cards still have problems,Nvidia all the way baby
Quote this comment #5.1 Posted by insurektion on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:39
unless you cound the older cards pathetic attempt at dx9.
Quote this comment #5.2 Posted by Suddenly_Dead on 01 Dec 2004 - 21:29
Bullets form:

  • The X800s are faster in most DX9 games than the 6800s, including Half-Life 2 (the benches show a good difference there), and especially when involving AA/AF and high resolutions
  • The exception to the above is Doom 3, which gives a lead to the Geforce cards
  • Radeons aren't so hot at OpenGL, and really suck when used on Linux
  • Only underperforming the X800 Pro in some tests, the 6800 is far less expensive, and so giving a lot more bang for the buck
  • The Geforce FX line stunk, comparing similarily priced cards in DX9 games
  • I have a 9800 Pro, and have had a 9600 Pro. I've never had "problems"
  • ATI is Canadian, which just tips me over to their side =)


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Quote this comment #5.3 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 01 Dec 2004 - 23:06
You've used absolutely no logic, or self experience from both sides to back any claims up. The 6800GT beat the X800XT in almost every test done at Guru3d, please read before saying anything. The fact is that the FX series were NOT bad, but the drivers were underperforming until the 6 series came out.
Quote this comment #5.4 Posted by jerry on 01 Dec 2004 - 23:46
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The 6800GT beat the X800XT in almost every test done at Guru3d

Might be true. But Anandtech (which is far more reliable) and for that matter any other hardware website show the X800 XT on top. Who is true ? Guru3D or the rest of the web ?
Quote this comment #5.5 Posted by divertom15 on 02 Dec 2004 - 01:25
SquareSoft0: the fx series stink no matter how you slice it. the fx series is crap. when nvidia cared more about their graphics route then dx9
Quote this comment #5.6 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 02 Dec 2004 - 03:57
That's lower than a childish "You're a stupid head." The FX series were damn fine and you would know that if you owned a high-end one. Let me guess though, you don't and will most likely claim to in your defense?
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by dolimite35 on 01 Dec 2004 - 16:59
Try ebay....although people there are slacking now. I won a athlon 64 fx for $209 seller refunded my money dditn want to sell for that price, won a smart display for $1 and seller wanted a price of $139 cause no one else bid.....but i see buy it now prices for the radeon for $699
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by sumeet on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:14
maybe nvidiot is a user name?
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #8 Posted by amdme3200 on 01 Dec 2004 - 17:21
I was expecting better performance from this new Ati chip.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #9 Posted by welshkid on 01 Dec 2004 - 18:46
i mite be interested in one of these
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #10 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 01 Dec 2004 - 19:16
Tell me about being "brutally scarce" I had to cancel my order because of it, here comes my 6800 GT, gg ATI.
(5 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #11 Posted by Ficman on 01 Dec 2004 - 19:50
Seems like all the top models are hard to find, I am buying somehting in the next few weeks and the 6800 chipset seems to be the only thing you can get your hands on. Be a damn shame if some of these other boards with the newer chipsets don't hit the stores soon...


Quote this comment #11.1 Posted by mnguyen281 on 01 Dec 2004 - 20:04
i got a x800xt right now and would be interested in seeing how this 480 compares against the r520 next spring. i think i'll wait for the r520 - but it is pretty alarming to see that one x850xt PE for 549 can perform almost as well as two 6800 ultra in SLI in many of the games. (thats about 1300-1400 for two cards and a new board!)
Quote this comment #11.2 Posted by Hills420 on 01 Dec 2004 - 20:19
I agree. I have the X800XT as well. I guess SLi isn't as great as the marketers want us to believe. Although, I wouldn't have two x800Xt's in my box
Quote this comment #11.3 Posted by amdme3200 on 01 Dec 2004 - 20:33
Tell me where you get the Ati x800xt almost as fast as 2x 6800 ultra? The 6800 u and x800 xt are neck and neck.
Quote this comment #11.4 Posted by qkslvr221 on 01 Dec 2004 - 22:08
Tell me where you get that anyone even said that. Please learn to read before commenting on other posts.

"but it is pretty alarming to see that one x850xt PE for 549 can perform almost as well as two 6800 ultra in SLI in many of the games."

Hes stating that an x"850"XT not 800, can "almost" beat 2 6800u in "some" games, a perfectly true statement.
Quote this comment #11.5 Posted by amdme3200 on 02 Dec 2004 - 07:07
Speaking of reading befor you post you must take your own stupid advice. You have a prob take it up with me if you can.
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #12 Posted by Supakitsune on 01 Dec 2004 - 23:29
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Tell me about being "brutally scarce" I had to cancel my order because of it, here comes my 6800 GT, gg ATI.


Tell me about being "brutally scarce", I had to cancel my Nintendo DS order because of it, here comes my Absolutely Nothing, gg DS. </offtopic>
Quote this comment #12.1 Posted by Khaki72nd on 02 Dec 2004 - 02:39
The main reason i got my x800 xt PE is because I got it with my dell xps
Quote this comment #12.2 Posted by Hills420 on 02 Dec 2004 - 03:31
Same here...
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #13 Posted by Samoa on 02 Dec 2004 - 05:13
That's just ATIDIOT nonsense...
Quote this comment #13.1 Posted by jerry on 02 Dec 2004 - 06:37
ah what a boring comeback *yawn*

fanATIcs vs nVidiots ... get it ?
Quote this comment #13.2 Posted by BGM on 02 Dec 2004 - 13:37
i think Samoa was being sarcastic
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #14 Posted by amdme3200 on 03 Dec 2004 - 08:11
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #15 Posted by eternal_fantasy on 04 Dec 2004 - 04:37
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #16 Posted by mnguyen281 on 04 Dec 2004 - 10:29
dell is starting to ship their XPS systems with the X850XT PE next week
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