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Mozilla Celebrates 10 Million Firefox Downloads

lardiop   on 11 December 2004 - 23:04 · 166 comments & 67050 views

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The Mozilla Foundation has announced that its Firefox browser has been downloaded over 10 million times in the last 31 days. On average, Firefox has been downloaded 4 times per second since its release on November 9th. The Foundation originally estimated 10 million downloads to be reached after 100 days of public availability.

As Firefox users continue to swell in number, many are wondering what became of the planned New York Times advertisement. In an interview published earlier this week, Mozilla volunteer Rob Davis commented that "It's taken a little longer than we'd originally planned," and that he expected the advertisement to run somewhere between the middle of December and Christmas.

The next major release of Firefox is scheduled for March of 2005. Firefox 1.1 (Dubbed "Deer Run") will be the end-result of merging the Aviary (Fx 1.0) branch with the main Mozilla code trunk. In the meantime, Mozilla plans to release a new version of Firefox for mobile devices dubbed "Minimo". Firefox "Minimo" is expected to compete with "Opera for Mobile" sometime this coming January.

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(16 replies) #1 nw_raptor on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:07
horray!!! i hope we see firefox beating IE some day!
#1.1 sin™ on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:21
it'll never happen. unless they come up with their own OS and intergrate FF into it.
#1.2 longwilli on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:38
or maybe strip IE from Windows
#1.3 Joshie on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:55
IE won't be stripped from Windows. The important question is what direction the web will take in the future. Browser integration shouldn't be criticized, because it's a very nice direction for OSes to take this decade, but at some point the road is really going to fork, with one way being progress in the OS integration area, and the other way being the information retrieval and entertainment functions of the user-oriented internet. And for the latter, browsers like Firefox have a chance at finding a home, while for the former, it'll be pretty much impossible to take away Microsoft's grip, and I see no reason to want to do so.

Everyone is so concerned with MS monopolizing the web, or seeing Firefox as a competitor, that nobody's really considered the possibility that in ten years, the world wide web may be obsolete.
#1.4 mohennessey on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:43
if IE is stripped from windows how will you access the net to download firefox?
#1.5 MegaManXcalibur on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:14
With good old fashion FTP, like we used to do.
#1.6 Solarix on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:35
^^^damn skippy! kdis these days dont know jack about that stuff
#1.7 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:51
wget
#1.8 mohennessey on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:58
FTP good idea . if you want to spread firefox im sure novice users will know how to do so. even distributing firefox on CDs would be a lot more expensive for the company.

the point of my comment was that IE in fundamentaly needed for the growth of firefox so stripping IE from windows would hinder its growth amongst the mass.
#1.9 nw_raptor on 12 Dec 2004 - 09:28
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it'll never happen. unless they come up with their own OS and intergrate FF into it.


Really? If Linux becomes the dominant OS, maybe it *will* happen.

And why would they need to integrate FF into their own OS? There is an 'OS' which already comes with FF! Some distros anyway... It's called "Linux".

I seriously hope you don't imply that Windows will be dominant till dooms day or something?
#1.10 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 09:34
Well, not all of Linux. Linux distributions that run GNOME by default, as KDE really pushes Konqueror/KHTML as hard as it can..

But hey, Firefox shouldn't become THE standard browser, it should be a bunch of browsers that all support standards well. If we just have one browser, then it's back to having a monoculture again. And a monoculture, open-source or not, can only be bad.
#1.11 markjensen on 12 Dec 2004 - 14:14
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Firefox shouldn't become THE standard browser, it should be a bunch of browsers that all support standards well.

And that, my friends, is the underlying truth to having a secure internet experience for the majority of casual home users!
#1.12 kitchenutensils on 12 Dec 2004 - 14:19
i think Joshie's got a very valid point there - i'd like to see how the internet is going to change through new ways of accessing it - particually with TVs now accessing it and mobiles.
#1.13 Neb Okla on 12 Dec 2004 - 15:16
The battle for market share won't be won by coersion. Instead it will be won by a company that reinvents the browser. Mozilla doesn't differentiate itself sufficiently to pose a threat to IE for most consumers. It's amazing how quickly the browser market matured, but thanks to the rule of 3 (and as many as 5) which states that in any mature market there will be at least 3 major competitors, we're bound to see some churn that could lead to an IE killer. Nothing I've seen about Mozilla impresses the average web user and you're likely to see only small swings in market share until that happens.
#1.14 Angel Blue01 on 12 Dec 2004 - 16:38
I will never use a browser that's not integrated into the operating system.

IE on Windows Safari on Mac.

I tired KnoppixLinux and I liked it has Konqueror integrated.
#1.15 EduardValencia on 12 Dec 2004 - 17:18
hi linux people,welcome to the firefox thread
#1.16 thexfile on 13 Dec 2004 - 07:51
#2 stezo2k on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:09
well done mozilla
(4 replies) #3 miguel_montes on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:12
"Firefox 1.1 (Dubbed "Deer Run" ) will be the end-result of merging the Aviary (Fx 1.0) branch with the main Mozilla code trunk"

What does this mean? What advantages does it bring?
#3.1 AntTripz on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:17
Yea, I want to know also...
#3.2 XenonicRob on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:19
Well, since Firefox has been around, development on the Gecko engine (Mozilla's rendering engine) hasn't stopped... so to bring them together, FF1.1 will combine all that's been going with that side of things.
#3.3 vetlardiop on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:43
Firefox 1.0 was developed away from the regular Mozilla Code base, because they added a bunch of new feartures and performance tweaks.

The changes that were made in Aviary have just been implemented in the stability-focused trunk. Now they will work out all the resulting bugs, make any feature changes, package it, and release Firefox 1.1
#3.4 Jugalator on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:09
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What advantages does it bring?

So far, these are some of the improvements and fixes:
http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.1.html

... and it's still a quite long time before Firefox 1.1 is feature complete.

Expect that list to grow over time.
#4 Ivand on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:16
Kudos to Mozilla Again! :d
#5 Mystr-.-Ajay on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:32
It's all good.
#6 kronik on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:47
great news!
#7 tiagosilva29 on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:49
Firefox "Minimo"... Kewl!
#8 [ timko ] on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:51
Firefox is a good browser
(2 replies) #9 Ambience on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:53
does that mean "deer run" will have a mozilla engine? Or a fused Gecko/Mozilla engine? Or neither?
#9.1 vetlardiop on 11 Dec 2004 - 23:56
All Mozilla's Code is based on the old Netscape/Gecko engine.
#9.2 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:22
Here's a better way to put it.

Everything Mozilla creates, (Mozilla Suite, Firefox, Camino, even the non-browser programs like Thunderbird and Sunbird) is based off the Gecko engine that they made. Netscape 6-7 also use this engine, as they are based off of the Mozilla suite.

Now back when they made it, Mozilla.org wasn't owned by the recently created Mozilla Foundation, it was owned by Netscape as a site for open-source developers. So Gecko was created there, by some volunteers, but mostly Netscape enployees.
#10 altezza on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:03
Well done Firefox
(16 replies) #11 Rudy on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:08
this doesnt mean 10million people are using FF though
#11.1 daveoc64 on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:12
Exactly. Some people might also have downloaded it several times (for different computers).
#11.2 qkslvr221 on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:19
Exactly. Several people may be using a single copy on a single computer. It all balances out.
#11.3 epple on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:27
Exactly. So I want to write something smart here as well, but I seem to fail.
#11.4 STV on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:44
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

seriously, i dont think that there are this many user of firefox. for example, I have downloaded it about five times because I accidentially keep on deleting it. I dont use firefox, but I continuously force myself to use it. I dont like it, nor do i dislike it. I just know that I like IE better.

STV
#11.5 OptiPlex on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:48
Exactly. Some people install it, realize it's crap, and uninstall it immediately.
#11.6 amdme3200 on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:04
Exactly. I dl it 10 times so what dose that mean?
#11.7 Relativity_17 on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:04
Where are you getting the notion that anyone is suggesting that 10 million people are using Firefox?

Or are you just that desperate to come up with a pathetic reason to post?
#11.8 Jugalator on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:05
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this doesnt mean 10million people are using FF though

No, but it means it has received lot of attention and web browser statistics are showing more and more are using it. It also means it is one of, if not THE, most downloaded open source projects in such a short time span. In short, it means the Mozilla Foundation has all reasons to be proud of their hard work.
#11.9 SVT on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:48
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Exactly. Some people might also have downloaded it several times (for different computers).

Odds are there are a lot more people using firefox than those that downloaded it from the mozilla foundation. Examples:

1. I downloaded the Firefox installer once from the MozFo at work and used it to install firefox on ten desktops.
2. Firefox came with the OS I use at home, so I didn't download that copy from the MozFo.

Thats 11 PCs running Firefox, and only 1 Firefox download.
#11.10 rrezende on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:02
I downloaded Firefox only once and installed it on 3 computers.
#11.11 Juguard on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:46
i think I downloaded about 10 times, LOL
#11.12 todbran on 12 Dec 2004 - 04:47
Ok, so take maybe 5000 downloads off the totals, big deal. Add all of the previous releases downloaded and Firefox's total downloads from its inception is probably triple the 1.0 total. Web sites can tell what browsers are visiting their sites (ZD Net, for example, saw a 25% increase of Firefox usage on their site) and IE has taken a monsterous nosedive in the last 6 months. These are actual usage stats, not downloads. Let me ask you all you IE fanboys this, when was the last time Firefox broke your computer? IE does it all the time with BHO's, spyware, adware etc. I fix computers for a living, I see all of IE's fu** ups all the time. As a matter of fact, most of the computers I fix have problems related to the use of IE. I have been fixing computers since Windows 95 was released, so I think I have a pretty good handle on which browser is better for your computer .
#11.13 em_te on 12 Dec 2004 - 10:22
Why don't they post the statistics of what browser those 10 million people were using to download it? If all 10 million people were using Firefox to download Firefox then no one was really converted, right?
#11.14 Dirtie on 12 Dec 2004 - 10:27
Exactly.

EDIT: That was meant for the post above the one above mine. That long one.
#11.15 kalahari surfer on 12 Dec 2004 - 12:47
I totally agree that it does not mean that this number of people are using Firefox. I have really really tried to like Firefox and have downloaded and tried it on four computers.

Have decided that I DO NOT LIKE Firefox and have removed it from all my PCs. Trying Maxthon (formerly My IE2) now and it seems OK.
#11.16 Hanz™ on 12 Dec 2004 - 17:14
I hate to tell you guys but I downloaded it 10 million times myself so really firefox is crap - and nobody has downloaded it!!!
Wait a second is STV the same person as SVT, I am confused???!

Actually I have downloaded it once and Installed it on 20+ peoples computers, as I fix peoples PC's as a part time job.
(1 reply) #12 krono6 on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:17
Well done Mozilla, with all their Triumphs, its not long before they make a Brainfox to read our minds!!!
(I want free porn..."Brainfox has read your mind, *goes to porn website*"
#12.1 Raa on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:53
So "Fire"fox reads my fire? yes well
(22 replies) #13 Porp on 12 Dec 2004 - 00:33
Can't beat IE.
#13.1 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:46
You're right.

Nothing beats IE in terms of Malware. IE opens the doors to get c0ned with ActiveX's "leetness" to install crap without user notice and the power to not display webpages that have followed standards

Nothing beats IE in terms of stability. It crashes much more than Firefox which has only been in dev for a while as opposed to IE.

Nothing beats IE in terms of innovation. It hasn't bringed anything new to the users for years other than critical patches that prevents a hacker to gain control using a hole found in IE. When a hole is found in FF, The Mozilla foundation work on it immediatly and provide the necessary patch in no-time

Nothing beats IE in terms of features. Without a tool like the Google bar, enjoy all the popups of the world and enjoy opening 1 IE per website and not see the benefits of Tabbed browsing which is the best solution to remove clustering of programs.

<snip - trolling >>>

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#13.2 Jugalator on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:57
Yeah yeah, of course someone had to bite ...
#13.3 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:12
Kev, your incoherrent babbling and trolling makes my inner child cry.
#13.4 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:31
Trolling?

That's the REALITY whether you like it or not and this is why Firefox has gained so much popularity and has already overcome other browser alternatives.

If I was trolling, I'd say that IE SUX cause it SUX COX with a PERIOD but I have stated all the facts that everybody have heard a million times and, for some reason, some people still ignore these.
#13.5 eilegz on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:50
agree with kev with those points, opera and firefox should be the default browser and people should dump IE theres no reason (other than windows update and MSBA) to use that browser anymore
#13.6 em_te on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:23
I detected your sarcasm but instead thought that you were in fact attacking Firefox because your sarcasm sounded like double-sarcasm; especially with the google bar remark. I thought you were implying that IE was inferior because it didn't have a google bar and Firefox was better because it did have a google bar. But as all know, the official google bar only works on IE.

And you're right, that is reality for all of us. Firefox represents a new paradigm shift in the computing world and if you don't go with the flow, you will be left behind. Firefox is like a revolution where existing technologies become obsolete and the new age of safer, faster and more standardized technologies take over. These paradigms empower us with more freedom to innovate and to work together in an open source way. It's a whole new way of thinking and it's happening now. It's what one would call, "Taking Back The Web."
#13.7 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:44
kev, you make blatent generalizations and flat out lies. *snipped* - Hateful

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#13.8 todbran on 12 Dec 2004 - 04:59
I just love all of the 2 faced people here. We praise Firefox just like you praise IE and we are the "fanboys". Good! Guess we'll just start calling the IE lovers "The Cheerleading Squad"
#13.9 todbran on 12 Dec 2004 - 05:01
The "IE Cheerleaders". Has a nice ring to it.
#13.10 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:25
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Nothing beats IE in terms of innovation. It hasn't bringed anything new to the users for years other than critical patches


You hit the nail square on the head.

(And I love the word bringed )
#13.11 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:39
I use Firefox 75% of the time, my problem is with idiots who feel the need to bash IE in some sort of crusade.
#13.12 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:46
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I use Firefox 75% of the time, my problem is with idiots who feel the need to bash IE in some sort of crusade.


I can understand where they're coming from. Microsoft has never been the nice, happy, friendly, "we love the community" type of company. They have a long history of controversial tactics and basically screwing people over.

Read into it sometime, then you'll understand why they bash IE so much.
#13.13 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 07:21
*snipped* - OT (configure)

em_te,
re-read the last statement I made of IE. I clearly said "Without a tool like the google bar, enjoy ..." You can read the rest.

SquareSoft0,
There is a difference between criticizing and bashing. What I have done is criticizing the current state of IE in contrast with Firefox. One is evolving, the other is just filling up its holes.

Ok now that it's settled, for the rest of you who think that I'm trolling, I only have one thing to say:
Prove me wrong. Show me how IE is better than Firefox and I'll stfu. Otherwise, I'l stand on my ground.

Since Netscape's defeat by M$'s IE for browser popularity/dominance, IE hasn't evolved much. I'm curious why a huge @$$ company like M$ does not improve, possibly, the most used internet tool in the western world by average joes, IE. There is NO valid excuse to not improve a browser. Sure once in a while we see security fixes but that's far from enough. A company like Microsoft shouldn't have any problem at improving IE in terms of security AND features.

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#13.14 configure on 12 Dec 2004 - 07:22
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I can understand where they're coming from.

I can't. I think it's reckless for someone to be criticizing something without a valid claims; companies not supporting community is not a valid claim.
#13.15 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 08:14
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It hasn't bringed anything new to the users for years other than critical patches


But that is.
#13.16 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 09:26
It's a matter of PERSONAL PREFERENCE, Kev. Your preference is NOT A HOLY MANDATE.
#13.17 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 09:32
And Kev is stating why he believes that Internet Explorer is a bad choice, and why Firefox is better. Never did he demand you use an alternative browser.
#13.18 clonk on 12 Dec 2004 - 11:28
The funny thing is most people in tech circles (read: nerds out of touch with real life) think firefox is winning some kind of war and that the masses are flocking to it. Silly silly, 90% of those people don't even realize IE is a program to access the internet, and not the internet itself. Sure in our little dork bubble of the world we can talk about how Firefox is so much better but that means diddly squat to the real world. People want a way to look at pornography, book travel things, and search for pornography. Internet Explorer satifisies all these criteria. And by the time the majority of users would be so fed up as to actually have a friend change their browser for them, Longhorn will come along and everyone will be happy again.

I'm a realistic firefox user.
#13.19 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 15:55
It was a war when it was Netscape vs Internet Explorer.

Both companies showed progress in their browsers back then. Now M$ doesn't seem to care as much as back then.

IE has one key successfull thing and it's the name, Internet Explorer. You ask an average joe whats the internet, he will say "Its that blue icon of the E!" like clonk said. This is very true. That's why when you talk to them about a browser which can enhance their experience, they might ask "but can it do what IE does".

SquareSoft0,
If your preference is insecurity then go right ahead but many already got fedup of the imperfections of IE that FF has overcome. I'm not saying FF is perfect, far from that but at least you can be rest assured that most threats on the net are applied only for IE users and that you are safe and headache-free.
How many times have I had friends telling me they got a zillions crap installed on their pc cause they use IE? I lost count but all of this is a waste of time to re-setup everything whenever they screw up.
#13.20 SquareSoft0 on 13 Dec 2004 - 03:30
I use Firefox far more often than IE
I just hate your preachy misinformations and blatent bashing of IE.
#13.21 em_te on 14 Dec 2004 - 00:43
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Nothing beats IE in terms of innovation. It hasn't bringed anything new to the users for years other than critical patches

What about the Information Bar in IE? It was an important enough feature that Firefox had to copy it.
#13.22 tapo on 14 Dec 2004 - 14:30
Well actually, it was in the Mozilla Suite/Netscape 6 about two years before IE.
#14 Jugalator on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:03
Wow!

Now that's a real successful open source project!
(11 replies) #15 Ava3ar on 12 Dec 2004 - 01:42
vrey true you cant beat IE at being full of holes, or using no standards at all, and I hope FF doesnt try to beat it on these things
#15.1 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:12
Troll often?
#15.2 kev^ on 12 Dec 2004 - 02:32
Zealot attitude often?

Guy speaks the truth that everybody, who isn't a zealot, have already discovered and agreed on.
#15.3 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 03:41
I'm a zealot because I don't agree with IE-bashing? I guess there's no reasoning with fanboys.
#15.4 Danrarbc641 on 12 Dec 2004 - 05:19
[QUOTE] I'm a zealot because I don't agree with IE-bashing? I guess there's no reasoning with fanboys. [/QUOTE]
Say what you want, the post was factual. IE is full of holes, there are many published vulnerabilities still unpatched.

As for standards support, anyone who has attempted to make a webpage work for anything beyond IE has noticed IE is 'different' than the others.
#15.5 em_te on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:42
IE has no standards? What do you call HTML and CSS? Just because they don't support the latest version does not mean that it is not supported at all. What about Firefox? Firefox doesn't even have full support for HTML4 which was finalized in 1999! And what about CSS2 which was finalized in 1998? Firefox doesn't have full support for that either!
#15.6 SquareSoft0 on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:46
The problem is that this article had NOTHING to do with IE, these pricks decide to bash it to inflate their E-cock. My website is a bunch of HTML pages I wrote in notepad going through a PHP script, works perfectly fine in both IE and FF without having to modify it for one or the other. (www.kupo.tk)
#15.7 tapo on 12 Dec 2004 - 06:52
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IE has no standards? What do you call HTML and CSS? Just because they don't support the latest version does not mean that it is not supported at all. What about Firefox? Firefox doesn't even have full support for HTML4 which was finalized in 1999! And what about CSS2 which was finalized in 1998? Firefox doesn't have full support for that either!


Nothing has completesupport for HTML 4 and CSS, not IE, not even Firefox. (Maybe Firefox, I'm not sure). But Firefox is a lot better at HTML 4 and CSS 2 then Internet Explorer is, Mozilla and the W3C have a couple examples of this.

Also, adapting to new standards is more important. In Firefox 1.1, there will be much better CSS 3 support, and they're also implementing SVG natively. Which, IMHO, is absolutely awesome now that there's a viable alternative to Flash.