Philips Unveils World’s First Blu-Ray Optical Drive
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#1 Posted by saralk on 04 Jan 2005 - 17:19
- so what will this mean for dvd films - smaller discs, or more "extras" (which will just be more trailers for other films)
oh no, i cant stop myself... first comment!
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#2 Posted by OceanMotion on 04 Jan 2005 - 17:33
- HD-DVD will most likely be the next major format. Blue Ray is too much of a leap for consumers. HD-DVD discs can be made using excisting manafacturing processes. However Blue Ray can not. New equipment will be needed and that costs money. Blue Ray discs will also be more expensive to produce and that means higher retail price which consumers will not pay. HD-DVD is a nice small step foward which won't scare consumers.
Blue Ray will survive but will be more taloired to professionals. That is my take on this debate. -
#2.1 Posted by cal2002 on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:04
- The consumer will care less about the price, the studios know what the real prices difference are. If they felt Blu-Ray was more expensive, they would support HD-DVD. You don't know the real price difference anyway, don't comment unless you can back it up. Any article you find on the web about it doesn't give you real data.
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#2.2 Posted by Jugalator on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:14
- "HD-DVD is a nice small step foward which won't scare consumers. "
However, HD-DVD seems like a pretty big "step" too since they'll still need to purchase new hardware.
"Blue Ray discs will also be more expensive to produce and that means higher retail price which consumers will not pay. "
Remains to be seen until we know the price though.
But yes, if one is going to speculate, it seems like HD-DVD may become more used for these reasons. It's possible Blu-ray will arrive at an attractive price a year or two later and come as a natural step after HD-DVD actually. If you're prepared to switch formats that quickly. But keep in mind many don't even have DVD drives yet -- sure, many geeks do, but those don't represent the general computing population. And those having just purchased a pretty DVD burner may very well skip the HD-DVD generation, or jump on the train when Blu-ray has become more common. I mean, new factories and more advanced design, a greater "leap", that's just a one-time problem, like they faced when getting CD's or DVD's out.
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#2.3 Posted by sphbecker on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:47
- I like everything I hear about Blue Ray, except that it is owned by Sony. I don't like the idea of any one company having that much power over a major format. What if someday Sony decides their Blue Ray players are not selling well enough, so they raise the royalties on everyone else to give them selves a price advantage?
It is basically the same argument people make about the Windows Media formats being owned by Microsoft, but I trust Sony much less then MS (which isn’t too much by the way). -
#2.4 Posted by cal2002 on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:55
- Please don't comment with such crap, Sony might have record of bad formats on their side, however the Blu-ray group has the support of 90% of the MAJOR CE makers. Sony doesn't control the royalties themseleves, they have little to do with it!
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#2.5 Posted by Radium on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:56
- Many companies have that much power.
I believe that Philips have that power over CD or DVD. -
#2.6 Posted by Xionanx on 05 Jan 2005 - 03:49
- Actually, Sony controls DVD playback, which is why the XBOX couldn't include it standard and had to sell a dongle to do it (little known fact).
Open standards are the future, eventually people will realise that... -
#2.7 Posted by cal2002 on 05 Jan 2005 - 04:29
- LOL. WRONG.
The DVD Forum basically controls all. Followed by the DVD FLLC. Then the 3C pool which is made up of LG, Philips, Pioneer, Sony. The 6C pool of Hitachi, IBM, Matsu****a, Mitsubishi, Time Warner, Toshiba, Victor. DVD CCA handles CSS, then you have the MPEG LA, Dolby, DTS, Macrovision, etc.
Philips has the patent rights to DVD+R, Sony control nothing by themselves.
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#3 Posted by mohennessey on 04 Jan 2005 - 17:34
- this will allow high definition movies to be viewed at the home. its still way too early to decide which format to go with.
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#4 Posted by hardgiant on 04 Jan 2005 - 17:40
- Only $9000
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#5 Posted by DodgeViper on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:18
- Are Blu-Ray discs encased in a cartridge?
If they are will they work without the cartridge?
What I read is that when Blu-Ray discs are launched they will be like normal compact discs. Am I right? -
#5.1 Posted by sphbecker on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:50
- From what I hear the Blue Ray discs will be the same physical size as today's CDs and DVDs and will not require any housing like DVD-RAMs. A Blue Ray player will be able to play DVDs and CDs (and probably someday HD-DVDs if both formats take off) so that indicates that the size will be the same.
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#6 Posted by Mx² on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:26
- Sounds some quite sweet stuff to me.
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#7 Posted by SFalcon on 04 Jan 2005 - 18:51
- I'm still having to explain to customers the difference between DVD+R and DVD-R...sigh. This stuff is coming out faster than I was expecting.
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#8 Posted by FuricTrax on 04 Jan 2005 - 19:04
- I think the movie industry leaping from DVD to "BD" would be a silly idea at the moment as everyone is investing in DVD players!
If some sort of hybrid discs (which do exist) can be used by the movie studios then it would make moving to new technology that little bit more palatable! Giving the early takers the opportunity to watch ultra high definition movies while giving the average joe a normal DVD to watch!
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#9 Posted by mrk on 04 Jan 2005 - 19:05
- i only just bought a dvd dual layer writer this week =)
blue ray next year it is then! 30odd GB per disc = win -
#9.1 Posted by quick on 04 Jan 2005 - 19:22
- Same here, but im not worried either. By the time either format (Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) becomes affordable, i will be ready to grab one... till then its regular ol' dvds for me, i've yet to burn a single dvd disc... lol
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#10 Posted by spiritv2 on 04 Jan 2005 - 19:34
- When will the madness end?
Neway this is the reason i hold out on a DVD-R guess i´hold back some more hehe
Ninja OuT
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#11 Posted by jmole on 04 Jan 2005 - 20:35
- Here is a site with great information about blu-ray: Blu-Ray Has Already Won.
Whoever said the blu-ray medium is going to be expensive could be very wrong: Sony Press Release
QUOTE Tokyo, April, 15th , 2004, TOPPAN PRINTING CO., LTD and Sony Corporation today announce the successful development of a 25GB paper disc based on Blu-ray Disc technology. Details will be announced at the Optical Data Storage 2004 conference to be held from April 18th to April 21st at Monterey, California.
Using the disc-structure of Blu-ray Disc technology, the new paper disc has a total weight that is 51% paper. The two companies jointly began this optical disc project approximately a year ago. Blu-ray Disc is commonly known for allowing more than 2 hours of high-definition program recording.
Hideaki Kawai, Managing Director, Head of Corporate R&D Division, TOPPAN CO., LTD commented: "Using printing technology on paper allows a high level of artistic label printing on the optical disc. Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc".
Masanobu Yamamoto, Senior General Manager of Optical System Development Gp., Optical Disc Development Div., Sony Corporation said: "Since the Blu-ray Disc does not require laser light to travel through the substrate, we were able to develop this paper disc. By increasing the capacity of the disc we can decrease the amount of raw material used per unit of information."
The worldwide production of optical discs is approximately 20 billion per year and optical discs are being adopted widely. The combination of paper material and printing technology is also expected to lead to a reduction in cost per disc and will expand usage.
TOPPAN and Sony will continue development of the disc for practical use.
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#12 Posted by nw_raptor on 04 Jan 2005 - 21:30
- check this out! mini-bd
http://www.bando.com/bluray/mini_bda_disc_article.htm
15gb on a single layered 8cm disc! -
#12.1 Posted by Shadow Dragon on 04 Jan 2005 - 22:10
- Hehe, with this we could finally get rid of those ridiculously large CD-roms.
I really hope that HD loses and is erased completely, cause size, storage and versatility is what its all about, and "BD" are way better on all those points, and anyone who says that the price will be a problem is kidding himself, large companies like Sony aren't stupid enough to try and sell 20$ discs. -
#12.2 Posted by shao on 05 Jan 2005 - 09:14
- granted, sony aren't stupid, but in general the public are. Sony will try that pricepoint along with many others until the public feel happy with it.
as for 15gb 8cm BD roms.. when you start getting down to that size / capacity you need to start looking at dvd-hd specs again if you want to do high def video.
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#13 Posted by neufuse on 04 Jan 2005 - 22:39
- with the way the trade shows are going I'm suprised CES wasn't cancelled also like the other ones... at least one is going strong... anyways at leats the drive plays older formats too.
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#14 Posted by tiwaris on 05 Jan 2005 - 00:04
- Will it improve the reliability of discs as well. Optical drives need to be more reliable and more resistant to scratch and wear.
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#14.1 Posted by tehas2230 on 05 Jan 2005 - 03:41
- I agree that discs should be more reistant to scraches and normal "wear and tear" If I'm not mistaken, TDK already has such a technology on it's DVD +/- R's. I don't think they have it for RW's, yet. They call it "Armor Plated". My opinions my be biased as I am a big fan of TDK, and have yet to find a disc manufacturer that I'm happier with. Here's a quick link to a site where I first read about TDK's Armor Plating.
CDR Labs - TDK Armor Plated or Overrated?
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#15 Posted by Coolme on 05 Jan 2005 - 02:56
- Why make blue-ray when you can make colors that have higher freqencies like... violet or grey.(if that's possible), which would allow higher compacity (The movement from red to blue lasers have increased compacity of a CD size media by a lot (as demonstarted by this article) so changing it to violet like colors would also have the same affect.
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Furthermore, the drive is unlikely to be in mass demand until sometime in 2006, when film studios release their movies on Blu-Ray discs. Philips’ new optical drive features three types of lasers, including one so-called blue-laser that has shorter wave-length allowing to read physically smaller bits of information. Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD) is the name of a next-generation optical disc format jointly developed by thirteen leading consumer electronics and PC companies, such as Dell, Hitachi, HP, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson.
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