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Google Offers Assistance To Wikipedia

lardiop   on 11 February 2005 - 07:32 · 58 comments & 18602 views

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Google has offered to assist online encyclopedia Wikipedia, by providing some much needed storage and hosting services to the giant non-profit site. Although terms of the upcoming arrangement have yet to be finalized, Wikimedia commented that any deal will still see Wikipedia remaining ad-free; meaning that the arrangement will not impose Google "AdSense" technology on the popular site. An administrator for the Wikipedia project spoke briefly about the pending agreement:

"Google has at least tentatively agreed to give us access to a certain number of dual Xeon servers at one or more of their data centers and with unlimited bandwidth. I've been told that there are no strings attached, meaning they don't expect us to do anything for then, such as having Google Ads. In short, this is wonderful news... In addition to taking a lot of work, there is barely ever enough money to run what will shortly become one of the top 100 websites on the internet, and the only thing limiting Wikipedia's growth is hardware."

One would think that we will see a closer relationship develop between Google Search and the access of Wikipedia entries. Recently Microsoft finalized its new and improved MSN Search tool, allowing direct access to its Encarta encyclopedia. Another major search engine, Yahoo, offers visitors directed access to the Columbia Encyclopedia. Details of the final arrangement, including changes to either site, should be made available sometime in March.

View: Google Assistance MetaWiki Entry
View: Wikipedia | Google


"So i happened to look over my finances this past weekend and i realized something: i'm broke. which is odd, because i had a bunch of liquid capital in my checking account last time i checked, and now all of a sudden i have nothing.

i realized the root problem was that google's relocation process requires the employee to pay all the expenses up front and then get reimbursed for them later. that means you have to cover an apartment hunting trip, your final relocation, lease termination fees and temporary housing expenses all in advance. not to mention that they don't pay out your signing bonus and relocation money until your first paycheck (which i haven't received yet). finally, add in the fact that i had to put down two months rent as a deposit for my new lease, and i'm flat broke.

on the plus side, this first paycheck is going to be huge... (which unfortunately means i'll probably end up getting taxed huge on it. doh!)

which led me to thinking about the "benefits" package at google. as i thought about it, i realized that most of the "benefits" actually seem to be thinly veiled timesavers to keep you at work. take for example: free lunch and dinner. now this one is an awesome value proposition for google; i'm not exactly sure why other companies don't also recognize the value and join in. consider this: it probably costs google a maximum of $3 per employee for lunch and $5 per employee for dinner. so that's only $8 per day, but if you think about the fact that the employee now probably only takes a half hour lunch break and also stays late working, the company actually realizes far more than an $8 gain in employee output. not to mention that most people think this is a great "benefit" and google gets a ton of positive press on it. in short, this "benefit" is designed benefit the company, not the employee.

then look at all these other fringe "benefits": on-site doctor, on-site dentist, on-site car washes... the list goes on and on with one similarity: every "benefit" is on-site so you never leave work. i'm not going to say this isn't convenient for us employees, but between all these devices designed to make us stay at work, they might as well just have dorms on campus that all employees are required to live in.

next, let's look at the health care benefit provided. arguably, this is the biggest benefit companies pay out for their employees. google definitely has a program that is on par with other companies in the industry; but since when does a company like google settle for being on par? microsoft's health care benefits shame google's relatively meager offering. for those of you who don't know, microsoft pays 100% of employees' premiums for a world-class PPO. everything you can possibly imagine is covered. the program has no co-pays on anything (including prescription drugs); you can self-refer to any doctor in the blue cross blue shield network, which pretty much means any licensed professional; and you can even get up to 24 hour-long massage sessions per year.

lastly, google demands employees that are 90th percentile material, so what's with the 50th percentile compensation? the packages would've been decent when the company was pre-IPO, but let's be honest here... a stock option with a strike price of $188 just doesn't have the same value as the ones of yesteryear. even microsoft adjusted their base salaries to 66th percentile years ago when it was clear that their stock options weren't as much a part of the total compensation package as it used to be. for a post-IPO company like google, it only seems fair that they adjust things accordingly.

all in all, despite these rants, i still chose to come to google. the work environment, projects and risk/reward equation were all more enticing than up in redmond. but just like when you look for apartments in SF, no option is ever perfect. " (from here, mirrored at Bloglines)

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#1 bush on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:35
allright! go wiki-google, go
(4 replies) #2 supernova_00 on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:37
interesting
#2.1 vetlardiop on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:41
Found it rather intreguing myself.

Google has done a masterful job at expanding their market. With GMail, Google Maps, Google Groups, Google Search, etc. and maybe even a G-OS or GBrowser in the works, they've really done great for themselves.

Should have grabbed that stock at IPO!
#2.2 mohennessey on 11 Feb 2005 - 12:45
yeah no kidding. same here.
#2.3 coolant on 12 Feb 2005 - 04:57
very interesting
#2.4 smart001 on 12 Feb 2005 - 10:32
This could only help Google. Wanted to buy stock too, wife said "no"! that was the first and last time I ever take her advice
(2 replies) #3 _Dom_ on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:38
wonder what the Gparanoids are gonna make of this?
#3.1 shao on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google#Criticism_of_Google
#3.2 jdpixel on 13 Feb 2005 - 12:34
*dramatic music*........ in 2005 the world saw another step toward GOOGLEZON with the 'no strings attached' deal between google and wikipedia

lmao - i think that google rocks i don't get all the paranoia? Yeah sure they could do evil things but I think we've got a while yet before John Connor & a GoogleT2 battle it out
#4 theMaxx on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:40
Good news for Wikipedia!!!
I would suffer from a broken heart if anything bad happens to Wikipedia
#5 bipp5 on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:41
Thats really nice of Google to help out wikipedia
#6 one321 on 11 Feb 2005 - 07:42
Wikipedia is great. It has seemed a little slower lately. Thanks Google.
#7 Jugalator on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:03
I like the sound of this

(note: there's no deal yet, but hearing one of their admins call it "wonderful news" sounds good)
#8 Shibby on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:34
wiki is a great site i use it alot when needing to do bits of research for college
#9 DigeratiPrime on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:34
this news just warms my heart. I love Wikipedia and all its parallel sites. Thank You Google!
#10 thenay on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:39
There goes google again Good job!
(7 replies) #11 Robbobloke on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:45
When do businesses do something with "no strings attached"?
#11.1 macrosslover on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:55
never so we'll wait and see. it might not happen tomorrow, or next week, or this year, but it'll happen.
#11.2 filter04 on 11 Feb 2005 - 08:55
i agree. in 5 years wikipedia will probably be called Gikipedia and Google will become even more powerful.
#11.3 Phillip on 11 Feb 2005 - 09:44
Never, but this might be one of those "everyone wins" deals. At least for someone who uses Wikipedia, this is awesome news.
#11.4 xxpor on 11 Feb 2005 - 15:22
LAMO! Gikipedia = Geekypedia
#11.5 teeone on 11 Feb 2005 - 21:32
"no strings attached" is bull****. Google is planning something, maybe some of type of takeover or something. Once google has wikipedia on google's servers at their datacenter...thats like giving wikipedia another leg to stand on. It will now be that much easier for google to take it over. Its the first step in incorporating it into google, imo.
#11.6 Julius Caro on 11 Feb 2005 - 23:52
Google itself it's kinda the biggest encyclopedia, isnt it? You can find ANY kind of information there I read once in a newspaper that people used google to look for information instead of checking in an encyclopedia.

Anyway, this is good news to me, since Wikipedia servers are never working good
#11.7 khyron on 12 Feb 2005 - 09:11
Businesses don't generally do something for nothing, no. (Here speaks a guy who owns a business to confirm your suspicions there. ) That having been said, that which Google can get out of this arrangement may well have very little to do with ultimately acquiring Wikipedia--though it's a safe bet that someone at the Big G has let the idea cross their minds. In the short run, though, consider this as the possible "something" that Google gets from the deal: Depending on the terms of the arrangement, which we admittedly don't know, Google gets to take the cost of the servers, bandwidth, and whatever other associated costs it will incur from this, and it gets to use them as a write off on their taxes as a charitable donation to a non-profit organization. I'm sure it costs a pretty penny to keep Wikipedia going each year. That'd make one heck of a write-off.

Don't, by the way, underestimate the value to Google of being positioned as a good corporate citizen. "See? We could have scooped Wikipedia up and made it a Google brand," they can say, "but instead, we felt it important to preserve this great resource as an independent source of free knowledge." This is how media darlings are made. Google is playing the game well.
#12 NyaR on 11 Feb 2005 - 09:44
well i like wiki and since it helps them i support it
(4 replies) #13 MrMobi on 11 Feb 2005 - 11:34
google is turning into Microsoft - 'aquiring' one venture at a time
#13.1 shichiroji4 on 11 Feb 2005 - 11:55
QUOTE
google is turning into Microsoft - 'aquiring' one venture at a time


Did you even bother to read the article?

Google is assisting Wikipedia. There won't even be any ads, much less an acqusition. Please do not insult others by likening every firm to that of M$'s disgusting tactics.
#13.2 Jugalator on 11 Feb 2005 - 12:07
What does this post have to do with anything? When did Google last acquire something? I can only think of Blogger and that photo tool. Hardly earth shattering stuff, and definitely nothing to do with Wikipedia, or something that should worry people. Google is actually acquiring unusually little when compared to other large successful companies.
#13.3 kitchenutensils on 11 Feb 2005 - 20:03
google is completely becoming the opposite to MS; their releasing products at a very fast rate; that are extremely high quality. their buying and bringing up companys making their software free and also choosing the companys with good software (like picassa). aiding other companys (wikipedia) that are beloved; and very very useful. they are also making competition follow them (blogs), finally they don't have the huge corporate-type response ms uses; they have the business presence of being more friendly (im not saying they physically are more friendly though)
#13.4 Julius Caro on 12 Feb 2005 - 19:44
If Google acquired Wikipedia, it would stop beeing the "Open source enclyclopedia", which is one of its strong points.
#14 Sushubh on 11 Feb 2005 - 13:14
this is a great offer from google in return for tech support to integrate wikipedia results in google results.
#15 versiondub on 11 Feb 2005 - 13:57
This is nothing but a good thing. Google is doing what any other successful company should do - help the community. Wikipedia can't become a google venture simply because of its nature - Google has nothing to gain from it, but the web has a LOT to gain from seeing the success of projects such as Wikipedia and Wikinews. That said, having had an informal conversation with one of the board members of google over the summer, I fully agree that google has nothing but the best of intentions right now. Of course, this could change, but I approve.
(1 reply) #16 cylonite on 11 Feb 2005 - 14:04
Blogger, Picasa, Keyhole, now Wikipedia. whether google acquires or assists they do a fantastic job. its no use bitching about it. so far their acquisitions have not hampered the way i use the net, but only enchanced it. google rocks!!

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#16.1 kitchenutensils on 11 Feb 2005 - 20:04
agreed.
(1 reply) #17 frankchn on 11 Feb 2005 - 14:06
i suppose this is a response to MSN search's integration of encarta information into its search engine?
#17.1 kitchenutensils on 11 Feb 2005 - 20:05
yeah kinda; but wikipedia is better as it is comunity made; and free.
#18 tiagosilva29 on 11 Feb 2005 - 14:20
Holy Mother Teresa! Can I get some assistance too?
#19 Hills420 on 11 Feb 2005 - 14:54
google must be up to something.
(1 reply) #20 krono6 on 11 Feb 2005 - 15:00
Woohoo! Not long now before Google releases that Mind Control Search Engine!
#20.1 Lee McDermott on 11 Feb 2005 - 17:39
Already been done:
http://www.google.co.uk/mentalplex/
#21 GRex on 11 Feb 2005 - 16:22
well that was mighty nice of them.
(1 reply) #22 Ivand on 11 Feb 2005 - 16:29
I can see a new "Wikipedia" search option on Google
#22.1 brianshapiro on 11 Feb 2005 - 16:37
like the "Encarta" search option on MSN
#23 ProfessorX on 11 Feb 2005 - 16:45
I was wondering Google has that ssk a researcher thing maybe google might integrate this service with wiki. this way Google Researchers can make Wiki even more reliable.
#24 lefty on 11 Feb 2005 - 17:27
this is awesome
#25 Lee McDermott on 11 Feb 2005 - 17:36
I reckon they'll allow Wikipedia entries to be searched via the google homepage.. much like when you type a keyword and "Google News" headlines top the search results.

I use Wikipedia a LOT.. and feel that'd be an incredible feature. Would save a lot of time.
#26 R1CK13 on 11 Feb 2005 - 18:32
Great news
(2 replies) #27 tiwaris on 11 Feb 2005 - 19:19
Google is heading to become a knowledge warehouse, a store that stores information of all kinds. Within a decade or so, they would perhaps acquire/gather all the knowledge (information) available/known to mankind and store it in digital form. They are at present working hard on a digital library.

In one of the talks, that I attended by a google personnel (at my univ), he was referring to data that is not in electronic form or is offline. They want to have access even to that kind of data (virtually everything).
#27.1 toadeater on 11 Feb 2005 - 19:31
I hope they've got a good backup.
#27.2 Dirtie on 12 Feb 2005 - 05:53
Perhaps it'll eventually turn into another archive.org?
#28 [hxc] on 11 Feb 2005 - 20:08
welcome to the google empire wikipedia
#29 lare2 on 11 Feb 2005 - 22:13
Nice from google to help them out. (even that they say they don't) I wouldn't bother if they include google ads to wikipedia, it's worth to have them to run on better hardware.
#30 Kamael on 11 Feb 2005 - 22:44
Another good action from Google...
#31 ArtOf_War on 12 Feb 2005 - 00:25
Wiki is a good source for info
#32 Dirtie on 12 Feb 2005 - 05:48
Wikipedia has almost everything about everything. And I mean everything... almost.
(1 reply) #33 amitpagarwal on 12 Feb 2005 - 10:31
Hope Wiki continues to improve

Amit - The Indian Blogger
#33.1 SquareSoft0 on 13 Feb 2005 - 01:49
You realize your blog links are extremely annoying right? Just checking.
#34 Arcticflare on 13 Feb 2005 - 04:55
I like to hear things like this but it's obvious that google has several things they need to clear up in order to gain my trust. I speak of course of the google wikipedia link posted earlier on in this topic. I begin to wonder whether or not google is simply trying to gain a position in which wikipedia relies on them, so that they can begin to dicatate and eventually control or at least strongly influence policy in order to increase their overall influence. It seems far feched even to me, however big things often start small.

Sometimes I have to laugh at myself, but I remember that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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