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China Cracks Down on Internet Cafes

dbfriends   on 14 February 2005 - 13:10 · 88 comments & 10920 views

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It's renowned for having one of the most restrictive regimes in the world. Now China has launched another clampdown on internet usage. In three months last year, almost 13,000 internet cafes were shut down across the country.

In all, the authorities closed 12,575 cafes between October and December for operating illegally, according to the official Xinhua news agency. AP reports the crackdown was aimed at creating "safer environment for young people in China". It said the businesses closed were mostly located near primary or middle schools.

China has the second-largest population of net users in the world, behind the US, with 87 million people online. However, they face many restrictions on their usage. While business and education use is encouraged, the government is less keen on the effect on public morality of giving children access to violent games or sexual material. It controls what the public can see, blocking access to many sites. Many Western news sites have been blocked, with search engines which provided links to information also banned at some times in the country.

View: AP Coverage


Neowin spoke to LokiTorrent's owner, Lowkee, a few weeks ago, as the legal battle was just getting underway. "I run a completely legal website that the MPAA or anyone else has no right to force me to close," he said. "In just the past few weeks, the MPAA has forced the shutdown of many other BitTorrent sites which were set up to do nothing more than allow people to share what they wished. It will be a dark day when we roll over to let organizations such as the RIAA and MPAA make our freedom of speech laws for us.

"Piracy is a byproduct of peer sharing," he added. When peer-to-peer software is being written, there aren't 10 developers wringing their hands together over how much software and music people can steal from those who make a living selling it. Peer sharing is used to allow people who don't have the financial funding of the MPAA and RIAA to share their works, for free, to a worldwide audience without the massive costs of bandwidth punishing them for being popular."

Remember, for all its faults (including the odd lawsuit against 12-year-olds, or dead people), the Recording Industry Association of America did do one thing differently. It waited until there was a mainstream, easily-available and legal alternative to the P2P networks before it launched its legal actions. Napster, iTunes and all have taken off - they may not yet have the same volume of downloads as services like Kazaa did in their hey-day, but it's growing all the time, and surely it won't be that much longer until legal music downloads actually do take over.

The movie business, however, is nowhere near this level. Napster has mentioned it plans to get into it at some point in the future, but no dates have been mentioned yet. There are a few services up and running now, but many of them are (once again) American-only - and others have a small selection of films that most of us have never heard of. Hardly that great of an incentive when a quick search will yield the latest blockbuster, watchable within just a few hours. Link up your computer to your TV and a decent surround sound system, and it's pretty much impossible to tell it apart from the real thing.

I have no doubt legal movie downloads - whether they're pay-per-view, download and keep, or a 24-hour "licence" to watch (pretty much like getting a movie out of Blockbuster or somewhere else at the moment) will come. However, it seems that it's still quite a long way off. More and more people have broadband, more and more people are wanting to use it to its full potential. More and more people are discovered the wonders of downloading films quickly and easily; until there are some viable, legal alternatives, the MPAA is facing an uphill struggle in shutting down BitTorrent trackers.

Neowin's Tom Graham contributed to this report

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(8 replies) #1 nwBen on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:15
Chinese government sucks
#1.1 EduardValencia on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:37
agree
#1.2 ThaCrip on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:55
thats the damn government for you! ... i'm tottally against government controll over the people... it's just plain BS!

i live in the USA and the USA is getting worse and worse!
#1.3 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:45
You can blame the religious right for that bit of oppression in the US.
#1.4 KiwiNZ on 14 Feb 2005 - 23:26
ThaCrip, what would you prefer anarchy ?
#1.5 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:25
(Because, as we know, you're either Democratic or Anarchistic.)
There's plenty of alternatives to the BS we have, stop using biased remarks to support your lack of an argument.
#1.6 Shining Arcanine on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:34
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Chinese government sucks


Liberals ran the Soviet Union. Liberals run China. It is only a matter of time.

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thats the damn government for you! ... i'm tottally against government controll over the people... it's just plain BS!

i live in the USA and the USA is getting worse and worse!


If the US was getting worse, you wouldn't be alive to say that. If anything it is getting better as we don't have people running around shooting their mouths off in an attempt to prevent the government from doing its job.
#1.7 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:58
So what you're saying is you have no basis of argument, so you slide down to labeling people and things you dislike in some attempt at defacing the other side of the argument? There's much more classification than liberal and conservative, but in your little bubble, everything outside MUST be both liberal and evil.

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#1.8 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 14:35
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Liberals ran the Soviet Union. Liberals run China. It is only a matter of time.


Actually, they're more conservative than liberal. They like things the old way. Under a liberal government in the US saw surpluses in the budgets, and a booming economy among other positive things. Now the economy is booming for the top 1% only while they ship more, and more, and more of your manufacturing and technical jobs to China. BTW, China is an economic success with a nearly 10% growth in their economy last year. The best the US can do is 3% to 5%.

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If the US was getting worse, you wouldn't be alive to say that.


Things ARE getting worse in the US. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing at an alarming rate. Free speech is endangered as well.

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If anything it is getting better as we don't have people running around shooting their mouths off in an attempt to prevent the government from doing its job.


If only it would do its job instead of trying to push a religious belief on everyone and starting unjustified wars..

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(17 replies) #2 shichiroji4 on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:17
Typical brutal and disgusting commies who have no respect for the freedom of speech. The whole regime will probably collapse just like USSR did after some time.

These guys are so out of the world and behind times that they believe they can stop the internet revolution with a few proxies here and there, not to mention packing internet activists to some concentration camp. China must be the second most oppressive regime right behind North Korea.
#2.1 clonk on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:49
Actually, according to Parade, 2004's most oppresive regimes were (in this order):

1. Sudan
2. North Korea
3. Burma
4. China
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Libya
7. Pakistan
8. Turkmenistan
9. Zimbabwe
10. Equatorial Guinea
#2.2 Capiora on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:56
you got a link for the rest of the list, wanna see on what place Belgium is
#2.3 kirk26 on 14 Feb 2005 - 17:09
US has to be #11.
#2.4 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:49
China has the "Most Favoured Nation" trade status with the US as well as many American jobs, and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are close allies of the US. Why isn't the US demanding that they be more Democratic as well?
#2.5 SquareSoft0 on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:25
Because Iraq has the oil.
#2.6 Sub on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:50
US is not a regime dip****
#2.7 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 23:15
Yes it is.
#2.8 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:23
As with 99% of countries in the world, yes the USA is a regime. (Note the actual definition of the word before making claims; the media has told you "Regime = Bad" and so you believe.
#2.9 Shining Arcanine on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:40
Foub, they are, the elections in Saudi Arabia recently wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for President Bush. Unfortunately the enermy of my enermy is my friend so until the terrorists are gone, we'll have to settle for that.

SquareSoft0, if the US was a regime (e.g. evil), you wouldn't be alive to say that.
#2.10 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 00:54
Regimes are NOT evil, look up the definition of the word you ignorant kid.
#2.11 em_te on 15 Feb 2005 - 01:26
LOL.
"Regime" is a synonym for "the system of government." It emphasing the state, society and the market. It says nothing about it being good or bad.

It's only when you affix words to it that make it sound bad. Like "oppressive regime" or "facist regime".
#2.12 PCyr on 15 Feb 2005 - 01:39
All those people who play along with the connotations the media gives to words probably would shoot any Middle-Eastern person who says "praise Allah".
#2.13 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 11:55
What, Shining Arcanine, the Saudis have elected a new leader. given women equal rights? Lip service is nothing much. Saddam had elections as well, and Iraq was still more free than SA. So did the former USSR. Just because they have elections doesn't mean that they are also democratic. When it comes to the real power it is still the same out thing. Many dictatorships call themselves democracies. What is North Korea's full name?
#2.14 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 11:57
Actually, PCyr, in a recent poll, shown on CNN, 44% of Americans asked wanted to limit the rights and freedoms of other Americans just because they are Muslim.
#2.15 PCyr on 16 Feb 2005 - 00:49
Well I don't really put much weight in the opinions of people who use CNN as their source of information.
#2.16 Foub on 16 Feb 2005 - 14:08
Well, at least they're not FOX News. The National Enquirer is more fair and balanced than FOX.
#2.17 PCyr on 17 Feb 2005 - 00:07
Uh, I believe the name is is Fox News?(TM)
(14 replies) #3 fuzzy_logic on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:17
In all fairness, China's doing this largely because parents are complaining that kids are skipping school to play computer games at such internet cafes. China has a law against opening internet cafes to those under 18. But illegal internet cafes do it nonetheless. That's why they are cracking down the illegal businesses.
#3.1 shichiroji4 on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:20
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In all fairness, China's doing this largely because parents are complaining that kids are skipping school to play computer games at such internet cafes. China has a law against opening internet cafes to those under 18. But illegal internet cafes do it nonetheless. That's why they are cracking down the illegal businesses.


LOLzzz Have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Commies censoring info due to parents' complaints!? The truth is simple, China wants to restrict net access to only approved venues so that they can monitor any dissident activites.

Talk about a naive world view indeed.
#3.2 fuzzy_logic on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:27
I'm normally very much against the Chinese government and the way they do things. But this time, I have to say that they're doing the right thing.
First of all, they're only cracking down illegal internet cafes. Even though they already closed 13000 of them, there're many that are still open. So the censorship arguement doesn't really hold.
Every parent in China really hate illegal internet cafes because they'll do anything to make money. Fire hazards is a huge issue among illegal internet cafes. In 2004, more than 100 died in a fire in an illegal internet cafe.
Apart from this, parents complain about children spending more time playing games and less time studying.

Yes censorship sucks but this is not an instance of it.
#3.3 IGx89 on 14 Feb 2005 - 14:11
So the parents in China are completely powerless to tell their children not to go to places like that, and have to (supposedly) resort to shutting them down instead...? Wow, China has much bigger problems than internet cafes if children don't listen to their parents any more
#3.4 pepin on 14 Feb 2005 - 16:21
I don't when U guys come from but when U say that chinese parents can't look @ their own children I hope U're not american nor english... if so I'd say look @ Ur own doorway, and stop saying nonsense. Cos it seems U R the one living under a rock, not seeing how anglo saxon and american families are the tipical expression of a familly breakdown: no communication whatsoever, kids on their own when they're still kids (I'l not talking about teenagers), it's so amazing when I first came to these countries that I don't have the time to enumerate all the nonsense I've seen so far (I ain't talking about the 17 year old girl having a kid yet...and I'm see that in UK, mainland and big cities, not third world countryside). China is a very oppressive country, one of the last dictatorship that is (and will B for long time) tolerated. But if U stick on what they do, everything falls into logic. China's gov doesn't want regionalisation, but with 1.5 billion people, U have to have extremely strict policy if U want to keep central power, and U have to keep a good hermetism to the external "evilish capitalist" country, but not too much so that Ur country has to develop, not dying, keep modern. In a way the gov wins everywhere cos they just take from the capitalism what serve them the most to their power. The rest has to B trashed. But here internet cafe looks like a tolerable nuisance as long as it remains controled, and underground cafe in a place like China is not possible if they don't want a breakdown, because their absolute ennemy is anarchism. The safety sure is the greatest excuse they have. But I doubt that any of the legal internet cafe isn't heavily filtered, and checked real time. Think about the great cover revolutionary cells could have hidden in a underground cafe in the middle of netwok gaming kids, with information flowding evrywhere... nightmare for the gov to trace information...
With a country that size the gov sure is a living pananoiac entity.
#3.5 nic on 14 Feb 2005 - 17:10
fuzzy_logic: thanks for showing the other point of view. I was pretty furious at those darn chinese until i read your post. Still, their government system is crap and the people need to revolt against it before Team America goes to China. And if that happens, then americans need to revolt and bring their government down.

We all could use some clean slates!! (i'm getting a little loopy this morning from all the coffee, please take with grain of salt).
#3.6 SquareSoft0 on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:29
Do I have to knock pepin down? Nah, too easy. By the way, you need to learn to type. Or as you would understand it, "OMG LIEK U NID 2 LEARN 2 TYPE LOL."
#3.7 PCyr on 15 Feb 2005 - 01:45
And of course shichiroji4 spreads his ignorance to areas outside of technology. People like you are so stupid, you hear the connotations the media gives to words, and assume that's the definition:

regime=bad
communism=bad
rebels/insurgents/=bad

It's not what the word is, it's how it's used. Go look up the words your using in a dictionary before you treat them as something bad.
#3.8 King_John on 15 Feb 2005 - 01:46
Knock pepin down? For being correct?
#3.9 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 02:34
No, it's the fact that he's so glaringly wrong that every other fact in the universe is hence a counter-point. His level of "wrong" is so high, his opinion should not even be taken seriously, compounded by his grotesque typing abilities.
#3.10 Daffy_Duck on 15 Feb 2005 - 17:54
Actually, pepin is pretty much right on the money. SquareSoft0, I am not sure where you get all of your information about China but my fiancee is Chinese and I therefore have a more balanced view of it's government than most other Americans. The main point is that it really is not as oppressive to it's people as the media portrays. I don't know if you have noticed but the government of China has evolved greatly over the last 30 years and that is a result of will of the people of China. I guess the point is that the people in China cannot elect their government and that is bad BUT the people can make things change. Also, the government works in the best interest of it's people in MOST cases. The rise in prosperity of the country is a clear indication of that.
#3.11 SquareSoft0 on 15 Feb 2005 - 21:48
He didn't even touch on the Chinese government much at all, he was just flaming western culture and "evilish capitalist" societies. I didn't take anything he said as an argument, it was an attack on people without cause. He's a damn kid just wanting to troll the comments section.
#3.12 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 22:39
Hey, SquareSoft0. Glass house, stone, throw, not.
#3.13 pepin on 16 Feb 2005 - 12:20
For squaresort0:

En fait j'en ai un peu rien à foutre de faire des fautes de frappes, le truc c'est que mon message passe, et que les gens voient où ils sont, on est pas dans un monde noir et blanc, mais tout est gris, être manicheiste est du temps de Moïse, ouvre les yeux et lis un journal, autre que Fox News ou CNN...

El tema es que no me importa de hacer faltas escreviendo, el tema es que el mensage sea entendido, e que la gente veen donde son, no estamos en un mundo blanco e negro, pero todo es gris, estar un maniqueisto es quedarse en el tiempo d Moïses. Abre los ojos e lees un periodico que realmente vale la pena, otro que Fox News ou CNN....

O tema e que não importa si faz faltas escrevendo, o tema e que o meu mensagem esta comprendido, e que o pessoal ve onde são, não estamos num mundo pretto e branco, mais tudo esta gris, estar um maniqueisti e como ficar no tempo de Moïses. Abre os olhos e le um jornal que realmente vale a pena, outro que o Fox news, ou CNN....

The drill is that it doesn't matter if I'm not typing correctly, the prob is that my message is understood, and that people see where they are, we are not in a black and white world, but everything is grey, meaning that beeing manicheist is from Moïse time and opsolet. Open your eyes man, read newspaper, not Fox News or CNN...



They say the wise points the moon with his finger, and the idiot starr at the finger....


And by the way, I didn't talk about "evelish capitalist societies", this is a term from the cold war and Iran revolution that China employs to justify some of the actions they take....
#3.14 pepin on 16 Feb 2005 - 13:10
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And by the way, I didn't talk about "evelish capitalist societies"


Forget this line, I did say that, my mistake...
(5 replies) #4 Thorpe on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:25
Why are US news sites banned?
#4.1 noll3095 on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:33
Anything that might say something negative about the Chinese government is banned. Scary really.
#4.2 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:52
It is sort of like FOX News not allowing anything negative about Bush to be aired.
#4.3 idiomind on 14 Feb 2005 - 20:11
Thank you for saying that.
#4.4 SquareSoft0 on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:30
It's times like these that The Daily Show becomes the only reputable news source, which is just sad.
(Edit: Ya ;P)

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#4.5 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 23:18
Don't you mean reputable? And actually it is and I agree, that is truly sad.
#5 ripgut on 14 Feb 2005 - 13:34
thats ****ed up
(4 replies) #6 ariel on 14 Feb 2005 - 14:55
Here in Canada there is plenty of internet cafes around. So far no problems. Personally I think the only reason they are doing this is to monitor dissident activities. Creating "safer environment for young people in China" is just a front.
#6.1 zivan56 on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:43
You do know that almost every outbound/inbound connection to china is monitored? It doesent matter if the cafe is illegal or not, they still have the same amount of censorship as in all places.
#6.2 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:54
Canada also has/had the highest density of Internet usage in the world as well.
#6.3 m!ke on 15 Feb 2005 - 05:35
i love my fast, cheap, uncensored, unmonitored, canadian internet
#6.4 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 11:48
Yeah. Canada, land of the truly free.
(1 reply) #7 MrCobra on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:12
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the crackdown was aimed at creating "safer environment for young people in China"


More like keeping control of everyone. It's sad that there are DICK-taters still around.
#7.1 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 11:47
Dictators come in all flavors. Beauty is not always good, and ugly is not always bad.
(9 replies) #8 omega3112 on 14 Feb 2005 - 15:44
you have no idea how the people owning illegal internet cafes are like... most of the owners have ties to other criminal surroundings. they would do everything to make some money, as said before.

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So the parents in China are completely powerless to tell their children not to go to places like that, and have to (supposedly) resort to shutting them down instead...? Wow, China has much bigger problems than internet cafes if children don't listen to their parents any more


so, you follow every order your parents give you, right?

i bet you all would have said something different if this happened somewhere in europe. and if you wanna be smart, try give up your "communism is always bad" attitude, cause that makes you look kinda stupid. (actually this topic hasn't got anything to do this communism)

(I'm against many aspects of communism myself)
#8.1 shichiroji4 on 14 Feb 2005 - 16:09
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i bet you all would have said something different if this happened somewhere in europe. and if you wanna be smart, try give up your "communism is always bad" attitude, cause that makes you look kinda stupid. (actually this topic hasn't got anything to do this communism)


No idea what kind of BS you're trying to spew here. History has proven that communism=oppression=failure. Communism in a practical sense is ALWAYS bad, no two questions about it. Don't give me nonsense like communism is good in concept etc...

When have you heard of any country shutting down cyber cafes mass scale because of parents' complaints? It's clearly a degenerate act by the commies to brainwash people on the front of maintating social order. Most owners have ties to crimminals!? What are You, are an experienced insider? Don't make bare faced lies when you know nuts.
#8.2 Harsesis on 14 Feb 2005 - 16:20
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t's clearly a degenerate act by the commies to brainwash people on the front of maintating social order.


And the western media doesn't brainwash people . Just because the method of social control is overt in China doesn't mean that there is freedom anywhere . We are always constrained! The social control excercised within china is done covertly in the west by organisations other than the state, its just accepted by people.

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communism=oppression


Not really..... just because historically this is so doesn't mean the theoretical concept of communism is BAD and promotes the contiuation of oppression. Even within modern day capitalist democarcy there is oooooodles of oppression! Don't kid yourself
#8.3 IGx89 on 14 Feb 2005 - 16:23
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so, you follow every order your parents give you, right?


No, but most (and virtually all the time, now that I'm older), and I certainly didn't disobey continually. And from what I've heard about the Chinese, family is (or was) even more important to them. So, something must be seriously wrong (or seriously incorrect) if there's an epidemic of mass disobedience. Either the Chinese government is exaggerating the problem and/or danger, or their society is seriously neglecting teaching their children good moral behavior. From what I've heard about the government telling children to distrust and closely watch and report their parents, it's probably a combination of both.

Also, communism oppression is historically majorly, undisputively greater than Western democratic/capitalism "oppression".

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#8.4 zivan56 on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:44
There has actually never been a real example of communism anywhere, as all the so called "communist" countries had a dictator. So dont bash communism if you cant back it up.
#8.5 PCyr on 15 Feb 2005 - 01:48
cut paste

And of course shichiroji4 spreads his ignorance to areas outside of technology. People like you are so stupid, you hear the connotations the media gives to words, and assume that's the definition:

regime=bad
communism=bad
rebels/insurgents/=bad

It's not what the word is, it's how it's used. Go look up the words your using in a dictionary before you treat them as something bad.
#8.6 Foub on 15 Feb 2005 - 11:45
Also, PCyr, the main difference between the terms terrorist and freedom fighter is who wins and gets to write the official version of history. Its like in the book '1984'.
#8.7 Daffy_Duck on 15 Feb 2005 - 18:08
What a lot of you seem to be missing is that China is not really a Communist country. It was much closer to that in the past, especially during the years after the cultural revolution, but now the economic and social structure more similar to the United States which is a major reason their economy is doing so well right now. The only real difference is their inability to elect their own leaders. I agree that Communism is very bad but China IS NOT a Communist country.
#8.8 PCyr on 16 Feb 2005 - 00:53
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Also, PCyr, the main difference between the terms terrorist and freedom fighter is who wins and gets to write the official version of history. Its like in the book '1984'

It really makes you wonder how much of our history is revisionist history.

I always wondered, if George Washington lost to the British, would he be called a insurgent in our history books?
#8.9 Foub on 16 Feb 2005 - 23:49
Actually all of it is revisionist since it is usually the winner who gets to write the official version of history and they make themselves look good.

Of course the founding fathers would have been seen as terrorists if they had lost.
(3 replies) #9 Taxman on 14 Feb 2005 - 17:02
Actually I think China is doing the right thing... The internet and other forms of media are much to blame for a lot of the violence, sexual deviancy and corruption in this world. The western world would never have the balls to restrict something that was harmful to our kids and our way of life. That damn 1st amendment.
Just because it's on the internet doesnt mean its good. The availability of porn and violence so readily is corrupting our morals, our values and our childrens future.

And then when a country does restrict things which are harmful you Americans and other western-world countries do your typical IRAQ thing and stomp all over other peoples opinions and cultures and beliefs.
#9.1 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 18:57
Actually, the numbers of violent crime, and the like, are down since computers and the Internet came into being in the west where they are more of them during the last 30 years. News media makes it look worse than it actually is.
#9.2 em_te on 14 Feb 2005 - 20:21
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Actually, the numbers of violent crime, and the like, are down...

Are you sure those numbers are a result of the inception of computers and the Internet and not just an overall trend? After all crime has been dropping since the '80s anyway regardless of any specific reason. I've seen tons of so called "facts" trying to show a correlation between an event with the decrease in crime, but they neglect to show that crime was already decreasing before and after the event.
#9.3 Foub on 14 Feb 2005 - 23:22
All you have to do is look at the trend BEFORE video games and the like became popular. That should be before the mid 1970's. Even if it isn't the fact remains that violence, and the like, is on the decline in the West not the increase as some groups would like to you believe.
(1 reply) #10 omega3112 on 14 Feb 2005 - 20:25
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No idea what kind of BS you're trying to spew here. History has proven that communism=oppression=failure. Communism in a practical sense is ALWAYS bad, no two questions about it. Don't give me nonsense like communism is good in concept etc...

When have you heard of any country shutting down cyber cafes mass scale because of parents' complaints? It's clearly a degenerate act by the commies to brainwash people on the front of maintating social order. Most owners have ties to crimminals!?


that just shows how you have been "brainwashed" by your parents / culture / society (no offense).

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What are You, are an experienced insider? Don't make bare faced lies when you know nuts.


Indead, I am.

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No, but most (and virtually all the time, now that I'm older), and I certainly didn't disobey continually. And from what I've heard about the Chinese, family is (or was) even more important to them. So, something must be seriously wrong (or seriously incorrect) if there's an epidemic of mass disobedience. Either the Chinese government is exaggerating the problem and/or danger, or their society is seriously neglecting teaching their children good moral behavior. From what I've heard about the government telling children to distrust and closely watch and report their parents, it's probably a combination of both.


The family integrity is one of the most important things in Chinese culture i believe. And to keep the family working, many non-democratic and harsh means of education are used.

And finally, chinese form of government isn't really communistic, it's becoming more and more capitalistic everyday.
#10.1 SquareSoft0 on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:36
Then stop disobeying your parents by coming to illegal sites like Neowin. (They don't want you breaking the law, do they?)
(3 replies) #11 noping on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:45
If china or any other country wants todo to act acording to thier culture/values/advantages then why does it bother you americans.

Just to remind you USA does not care about democracy if it did, it wouldnt trade billions with china and have pakistan and saudi arabia as speciel allies.

So if its ok for USA to goto war for Oil and front democracy/WMD to the public..
it is ok for china to Sensor damaging news and front child safety. Because china's sensorship didnt kill anybody while the iraqi war left 100,000 Iraqes and nearly 1500 americans DEAD.
#11.1 Sub on 14 Feb 2005 - 22:52
I love when idiots like you respond. It just shows how misinformed the rest of the world is about the US. Perhaps your country shouldnt censor and cherry pick the US news it shows you.