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Apple resellers, consumers sue Mac maker

malebolgia   on 21 February 2005 - 22:28 · 50 comments & 7196 views

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A group of Apple Computer resellers and consumers has banded together to file a class action suit against the company.

In the suit, filed in the California Superior Court in San Francisco, the resellers and consumers accuse Apple of not honoring warranties, misappropriating trade secrets from its resellers, unlawful business practices and packaging old kit as new, among other charges. Apple, which recently filed suit against three online journalists it claimed had leaked Apple's secrets, now finds itself on the receiving end of such a suit, with the resellers claiming the company has been using confidential reseller information in order to boost sales at Apple's own stores and cut the resellers out.

News source: C|Net News.com


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(3 replies) #1 MrMB on 21 Feb 2005 - 22:35
more pointless sueing then
#1.1 EduardValencia on 22 Feb 2005 - 03:17
agree,they want some bucks,at expense of mac
#1.2 Arcticflare on 22 Feb 2005 - 05:53
If a whole community of buisness owners and consumers are banding together against a supplier for the reason of stopping harmful practices, I'm thinking they are probably pretty angry and not just making things up. But that's only my opinion based on the little ammount of information presented.

My point is, please don't make anymore stupid snap judgements. You're not going to get smarter or better or improve your social standing by being ignorant.
#1.3 mealbundy on 22 Feb 2005 - 23:33
Well, you gotta buy garbage to sell garbage...I'd love to take a bite out of Appple.
#2 BlazingTech on 21 Feb 2005 - 22:40
Karma? What goes around comes around. I thought Apple's suit one of the most pointless ever filed. Those people were doing good publicity for Apple - generating sales, and then they went and sued them
(1 reply) #3 Chem on 21 Feb 2005 - 22:40
working for a reseller myself of apple products, i tend to agree with the claims that these resellers are making. 100%. you should see apples return policy, it is *horrible*.
#3.1 skinnyjm on 23 Feb 2005 - 06:26
Who has a monopoly on Apple products...Apple???
You bet they do!
#4 CubanPete on 21 Feb 2005 - 22:42
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with the resellers claiming the company has been using confidential reseller information in order to boost sales at Apple's own stores and cut the resellers out.


That really isnt surprising if its true, apple has always seamed to me to be a company that would sacrifice popularity and widespread adoption if they could in any way make the most out of being the sole manufacturer of products for their own products, kind of like a monopoly
(1 reply) #5 figgy on 21 Feb 2005 - 22:48
One of my friends did get an used (or maybe refurbished) Apple computer repackaged as new. It had personal files of some othery guy.
But he thinks the reseller was responsible.

I had a similar experience with Circuit City.
I returned a game becuase the CD was damaged.
Next day I saw the same game back on the stand.
#5.1 rajputwarrior on 21 Feb 2005 - 23:12
this is true, a guy who i used to go to school with powerbook monitored was screwed up three times and then he figured out they would replace it with refurbished ones, he wasn't pleased
(3 replies) #6 figgy on 21 Feb 2005 - 23:20
I should add that atleast it didn't have gay porn as this guy had:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=281826

#6.1 lare2 on 22 Feb 2005 - 03:29
OMG that's the funnier post I ever read on neowin forums.
#6.2 raid517 on 22 Feb 2005 - 09:46
That guy was a nutter.He put the gay porn there himself because he way gay and then refused to believe it. Kind of the ultimate act of denial I guess. Apple would have freaked if this was real - it would really screw up their wholesome family friedly image.

GJ
#6.3 SquareSoft0 on 22 Feb 2005 - 12:02
Rather than accept Apple's mistake, you'd accuse him of being gay then say that 'gayness' screws up their 'wholesome family freidly (sic) image.'? You're an Apple fanboy, AND a bigot, you fail at life.
(2 replies) #7 Cube on 21 Feb 2005 - 23:42
why is apple too lazy to format their drives? wtf
#7.1 jagedEdge on 22 Feb 2005 - 00:09
They're not. I believe these resellers are spewing false claims just because Apple's stores are doing better than they are and they want some money back.
#7.2 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 00:20
It seems to be more than just forgetting to format drives.
#8 Foub on 22 Feb 2005 - 00:29
Who do they think they are? Microsoft?
#9 cswadner on 22 Feb 2005 - 00:47
yay a bunch of whiners!
(3 replies) #10 SkyFox on 22 Feb 2005 - 01:07
I for one got a resold mac, straight from Apple, and it worked perfectly from day one.
#10.1 Crayon on 22 Feb 2005 - 01:43
i believe the point is not whether or not it is working, the point is that they are selling old stuff branded as new stuff.
#10.2 jagedEdge on 22 Feb 2005 - 02:15
No, they're not. I've never, ever seen an incident of this reported until today, when these resellers claimed it.
#10.3 g-n-t on 22 Feb 2005 - 07:25
look 4ish posts above this. the gay porn one...

and skyfox, did you pay for a retail one or a resold one?
(4 replies) #11 SlakeT on 22 Feb 2005 - 01:41
LOL! How lame is that of apple. Buy a new system and get an old one repackaged! HAHA!

This won't change anything for the apple zealots however. No matter how bad it looks.
#11.1 jagedEdge on 22 Feb 2005 - 02:17
I've never gotten a repackaged system. I've never seen anybody else claim they got a repackaged system branded as new. These resellers are just pissed because they're doing so poorly.
#11.2 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 03:50
Some people might not even know they've received a refurb.
#11.3 Jugalator on 22 Feb 2005 - 07:42
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I've never gotten a repackaged system. I've never seen anybody else claim they got a repackaged system branded as new. These resellers are just pissed because they're doing so poorly.

Because you don't know someone who has got a returned "new" Mac?
Are you naive or what?

Besides, NetRyder makes a good point. If the job is done well it will be very hard to know. You might not be able to point at one thing and say "this one was returned".
#11.4 tRr on 22 Feb 2005 - 10:43
Well in this guys case it makes it fairly obvious since it's all over the box:
http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.p...hp?picid=223390


I wouldn't know if they all come that way, but I've heard of this before (people like the coloured boxes!). In case anyone doesn't know Apple has a "Special Deals" section on the right side of the AppleStore.com. If you go there you can see all the refurbished products and the refurbishment process.

Speaking from personal experience I know a guy who I helped buy an iMac that was obviously used once we opened it up (it had the old bill in it from the previous buyer– same store!). The store refused to do anything even when we showed them the bill saying it's a normal practice. So we called Apple and they were very apologetic and said this wasn't the first time they have heard of this and that they would talk to the store. They offered to ship him a new unit or accept complimentary AppleCare. He took the AppleCare.
#12 mr_da3m0n on 22 Feb 2005 - 02:19
There is someting rotten in apple-land.
(9 replies) #13 treemonster on 22 Feb 2005 - 03:04
doesn't surrpise me at all. apple is actually notrious for selling crap quality junk, and having crap quality support for it. no really, evidence is documented in blogs and stuff, unfortunately, most apple users are dieahrd fans of the company. they don't see the truth of apple's sux0rnage, they only see "apple.think different." pretty boxes and stylish box designs.

and yeah, apple was shooting for monopoly over the home industry int he beginning, until evil mr. gates came in and whomped their punk bums with windows. lol.
#13.1 jagedEdge on 22 Feb 2005 - 03:57
I've never found what you're claiming to be true. Yes, they do give out some defective units. All hardware companies have this problem. It just so happens every user that receives a defective unit seems to have a blog they can moan and bitch on, even though Apple tries their best to replace the hardware.

I'm, personally, amazed at how Apple is functioning so well, considering the demand for Mac minis, iPods, and iPod minis.
#13.2 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:03
There's nothing "amazing" about it. This so-called huge demand that they're projecting is nothing more than hype. Huge for Apple-standards, maybe. Compare their computer shipments to other PC vendors, and you'll see what true demand looks like.



Notice how Dell and HP ship ten times more units than Apple does, year after year?
#13.3 shichiroji4 on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:05
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Notice how Dell and HP ship ten times more units than Apple does, year after year?


Numbers don't mean anything. Apple is targeted at the educated consumer who knows good stuff when they see one. Dell and HP are just selling their junk with a horrible OS to ignorat people who don't know thrash when they see one.
#13.4 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:10
And you do realize that most of them use the same OEM's right? Apple's Powerbooks and some of Dell's Inspirons are both manufactured by Compal. But of course you didn't know that. You were too busy being suckered by pretty exteriors and marketing speak.
#13.5 jagedEdge on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:17
NetRyder, also compare the proportional rate of failure. The Dells parts fail a lot more, and they're really low quality. Both computers being manufactured by the same people doesn't mean both use the same parts.
#13.6 SapUMBC on 22 Feb 2005 - 05:33
He was too busy being suckered by plastic exteriors and that "Dude you're getting a Dell" guy.

edit: Damn I was just looking at the other comments... Should I be surprised how many NetRyder has posted or does he always troll in Apple stuff?
#13.7 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 06:01
jagedEdge: You can believe what you want. Apple's had its share of logic board problems, power adapter recalls and what-not, and they weren't in small numbers. And I'll be the first to admit that Dell, HP, Toshiba and others have had problems with their units too. Which brings me to the next point (this is for you too SapUMBC)...

I have nothing against Apple. I'm just irked by the attitude most Mac users have. Most of you seem to think everything else is junk. Guess what? If you think the rest of the world is buying junk, you're buying junk too...just with a higher price tag.

(On a sidenote, I recognize that name. You're oik, aren't you? Looks like your old account was banned. Maybe you should watch whom you call a troll.)

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#13.8 Jugalator on 22 Feb 2005 - 07:45
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Numbers don't mean anything. Apple is targeted at the educated consumer who knows good stuff when they see one.

And no PC users do? Please take your Apple zealotry elsewhere.
#13.9 AJCrowley Esq on 22 Feb 2005 - 16:56
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Please take your Apple zealotry elsewhere.


Yes, we only like Microsoft zealots around here.
(4 replies) #14 shichiroji4 on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:03
Totally baseless claims against Apple. They probably thought that every company is like M$, scare them to a private settlement. Sorry, it just doesn't work on Apple.
#14.1 NetRyder on 22 Feb 2005 - 04:06
We'll let the courts decide that. Until then, you can go hide in your shell of denial.
#14.2 vancity001 on 22 Feb 2005 - 06:10
My friend bought a powerbook; supposedly brand new, yet it had documents on the harddrive and a scratch on the top. Apple claimed that it had been done by the manufacturer, and they were forced to replace it, even though me and him could both tell that this wasnt a store display or refurb, it was boxed as brand new.
#14.3 SquareSoft0 on 22 Feb 2005 - 07:16
So says the one who claims people are in a Microsoft cult.
#14.4 SlakeT on 23 Feb 2005 - 01:46
Dude, we are talking hardware here. Here's a news flash - Microsoft doesn't make computers just the software. "Totally baseless claim?" I think you should read the story again then google it. I know it hurts but apple isn't a god you brainless cult following drone of a sheep.

#15 Jugalator on 22 Feb 2005 - 07:50
So far I have only seen one person in this thread being an actual reseller of Apple products so he knows what he's talking about, and he understand the suit. I rest my case... and let the iZealots who don't have a clue of what's really going on amongst the resellers continue to defend Apple, I guess...
(1 reply) #16 CubanPete on 22 Feb 2005 - 09:08
Wow its quite amazing how many people are really sticking up for apple here, especially as thoes who are probably own mac's. Just a thought for thoes of you who do own mac's tho, dont you think you should be a little concerned here, i mean alot of your are throwing it out the window that apple could do such a thing, but i'd be a little worried if i owned a Mac, after all i may be recieving one of these Refurb units one day, if it were me i'd be really annoyed it mine was refurbished, specially if it was the same price a sa new one!
#16.1 SlakeT on 23 Feb 2005 - 01:43
You have to understand the mac user. You see, mac users think the world evolves around apple. They actually think that if apple comes out with something it’s the first and the best. You can't talk logic to any mac user. It's like an evil cult or something. If apple put on their site that they create air or H20 every single last mac user would believe it. It's actually genius marketing. If you can figure out a way to brainwash your customers to such a level as apple has you have created an endless money flow.
#17 Digital_k on 22 Feb 2005 - 13:10
I really don't think this is a Mac v. PC kind of thing, some of you are missing the point. If Apple is indeed selling used as new, then they should pay, and so should any other manufacturer with practices that are similar. Something else I don't understand , is the blind 'Apple does no wrong' mentality. One person wrote "M$" above, well Apple is as much a $ hungry corporation as any out there, if you believe otherwise, I feel sorry for you.
#18 Chem on 23 Feb 2005 - 13:55
I have no idea how this got on the topic of Apple selling used equipment. This is an article about eesellers suing Apple for unlawful business practice.

As mentioned early on, I do work for a reseller and I can honestly say that Apple does give itself an unfair advantage on stock, and in addition they have undercut me on price -- going below cost to ensure that they get the deal direct, how do they find out who my customers are? My customers buy Applecare, which needs to be registered to become active... thus providing a large database for Apple to call on directly.

#19 Hills420 on 26 Feb 2005 - 15:19
This really sucks for the little guy... too bad...

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