Intel to Highlight Dual-Core Chips at IDF
Posted by malebolgia on 24 February 2005 - 21:34 · 17 comments & 1407 views
Intel Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. are jockeying for position as they prepare to roll out dual-core versions of their processors over the course of the year. At its developer forum next week in San Francisco, Intel will make dual-core processing a key theme of the show. Included will be demonstrations of dual-core chips built using the 65-nanometer manufacturing process.

For its part, AMD officials this week said the Sunnyvale, Calif., company will begin rolling out dual-core Athlon 64 processors for desktop PCs in the second half of 2005, after Intel launches dual-core Pentium 4 chips for personal computers. Those processors, code-named "Smithfield," will start shipping later in the first half of the year, according to Frank Spindler, vice president of Intel's technology programs. Dual-core chips have been around for several years in the Unix space, in IBM's Power processors and Sun Microsystems Inc.'s SPARC chips. However, they will first appear in the x86 world this year. Such chips offer two cores on a single die.

News source: eWeek

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Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 24 Feb 2005 - 22:43
This is really getting interesting.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by sphbecker on 24 Feb 2005 - 22:54
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AMD officials this week said the Sunnyvale, Calif., company will begin rolling out dual-core Athlon 64 processors for desktop PCs in the second half of 2005, after Intel launches dual-core Pentium 4 chips for personal computers.


So maybe AMD will not be the first to get dual-core, but who knows. Intel has a terrible track record for getting things out on-time.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by ANova on 24 Feb 2005 - 23:01
Hmm, 59 comments related to AMD's dual core chip and only 2 comments related to Intel's dual core chip.
(4 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by craZySoldier on 24 Feb 2005 - 23:58
Intel are big ass fukin AMD copyers

And thier procs are good but they 1rst copyed AMD 64 now duel core
Quote this comment #4.1 Posted by zivan56 on 25 Feb 2005 - 01:38
LOL, please do some research about "copying" first. The x86 instruction set comes to mind first...
Quote this comment #4.2 Posted by WiZzArD on 25 Feb 2005 - 01:59
LMAO! Intel created the x86 instruction set .. but Intel is always copying AMD -.- Does this guy release Intel developed both AGP and PCI Express? OMG! AMD supports these! They are " big ass fukin INTEL copyers"

Also.. how can Intel possibly be copying IAMD with dual processors, since they will be the first to produce an x86 dual core processor?
Quote this comment #4.3 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 25 Feb 2005 - 02:37
His typing is atrocious, and AMD uses x86-64 tech. while Intel uses EM64T. For dual-core, AMD is using two cores on-die while Intel is slapping multiple dies together. Intel's method leaves the possibility of multi-core processors open while AMD's method needs further development for this.
Quote this comment #4.4 Posted by sphbecker on 25 Feb 2005 - 16:51
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they 1rst copyed AMD 64 now duel core


That is literally the dumbest claim I have every heard. Okay, first you don’t copy 64-bit, it was no ones idea, just the next logical step. If you don’t agree then please remember that Intel (as well as many others) have had 64-bit for years, just not on an x86 chipset. As for dual core; you could call that coping, but who is coping who??? Dual core is the next logical step from Hyper Threading; years ago when Intel was first giving press releases on HT they said that there would someday be 2 actual cores. At any rate, IBM has had a dual core chip for some time now…
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by Coolme on 25 Feb 2005 - 01:17
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demonstrations of dual-core chips built using the 65-nanometer manufacturing process.


Ouch... this means more leakage power... meaning it will consume more power then ever before... I am going guess that it's around 250+ watts.

Source from anandtech
Quote this comment #5.1 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 25 Feb 2005 - 02:35
Actually, I read that it would be around 130, I believe at Tom's Hardware. It's not all too good, but far under 250.
Quote this comment #5.2 Posted by dhitb on 25 Feb 2005 - 07:48
hmm 130.... maybe at idle
Quote this comment #5.3 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 25 Feb 2005 - 08:30
Found the link. There really isn't much reason for there to be much power consumption, these are very low freq cores. They're most likely not using the Prescott core for them too, big plus if so.
Quote this comment #5.4 Posted by ishtar on 25 Feb 2005 - 09:42
yea thats because its like having a dual hotplate to cook on
Quote this comment #5.5 Posted by sphbecker on 25 Feb 2005 - 16:53
65 is much smaller then todays processors, and smaller is better...so I don't understand your point.
Quote this comment #5.6 Posted by Coolme on 25 Feb 2005 - 21:31
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65 is much smaller then todays processors, and smaller is better...so I don't understand your point.


If you read the article that I linked to in my original post, you'd understand. (Althought the numbers provided by Intel are an estimate, the concept still applies)

As processors, become more complex (smaller) they will use less current to actually process, but the overall current useage will increase because there is an EXPONENTIAL growth of leakage current.
Leakage current happens because trasisitors are so small that they can't stop the current (because there is not enough room for insulation) when they're suppost to, this causes the procesor to draw unnessasary current (leakage current), and increase the total current used.

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The point that you have to remember is this: ideally, as long as the threshold voltage is not reached, no current should run through the transistor. However, as transistors and interconnects get smaller and smaller (smaller process technology), the insulation between drain and source gets worse and worse. As a result, a small leakage current gets through the transistor (I 2) even though the threshold voltage is not reached (the Transistor is off).


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Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by ir0nw0lf on 25 Feb 2005 - 15:05
I'll be making sure I am sitting down when they announce the pricing on these chips, I am sure to get some initial sticker-shock from it.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by 8-n-1 on 28 Feb 2005 - 03:50
So AMD is releasing dual-64-bit core chips, and Intel is going to release dual 32-bit core chips?

Considering the architecture, it sounds like a no-brainer...
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