Microsoft Gets Into Real Time
Posted by dbfriends on 09 March 2005 - 11:36 · 19 comments & 2259 views
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#1 Posted by Jugalator on 09 Mar 2005 - 11:46
- Microsoft innovates, once again!
Seriously, they feel a bit behind, but I'm sure they'll grab a sizable marketshare if not just because they're big "Microsoft" and not small strange "Skype".
And integrating in time with, possibly, Office 12 will guarantee it getting spread quickly. One thing that sounds interesting is real-time video conferencing built in that application; Skype doesn't have that, does it? However, I wonder if they'll solve the issues of no skipping and crap quality of the video. Even in this day and age with broadband connections being common, it seems to be surprisingly hard. (and it's far more noticeable and annoying than e.g. in streaming media, since the video/speech can NOT be delayed more than a few milliseconds or it'll get very noticeable when there's another guy in the other end talking to you -- that's why Skype is trying very hard to minimize bandwidth usage)
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#2 Posted by EduardValencia on 09 Mar 2005 - 12:01
- msn messenger 7 part of new releases for next month?
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#3 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 12:56
- What's this? Communicating with others? In real time over the Internet? God bless Microsoft for their never ending creativity and innovations, they should be granted a patent on all forms of communication, otherwise some other company will only come along and try to sue them, saying that they were able to speak before Microsoft patented it, ridiculous I know. Everyone knows that Bill created the earth in seven days.
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#3.1 Posted by shao on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:00
- wouldn't it be nice if people looked in to what a product does before jumping on the troll wagon, and simply slagging the product, company, and their employees off. :-)
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#3.2 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:20
- Perhaps. But then again, perhaps it's too much to ask of a usual NW user that they have any sense of irony or humour.
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#3.3 Posted by shao on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:30
- i can only assume you're talking about yourself there esq. Any irony in your post would, i assume, be in the part about creativity and innovations. In actual fact live communications server does offer both creativity, and interesting innovations. the other option is of course, that you were trying to use humour, this also failed.
it's oddly ironic then that your dual failed attempts at humour, and irony have turned out to be quite funny, in that it makes you look doubly inept.
do us a favour and go and check out exactly what this news post is about if you're still in any doubt - http://www.microsoft.com/office/livecomm/prodinfo/demo.mspx
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#3.4 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:35
- That's a matter of opinion, and yours is obviously skewed by whatever affliction you may have. I have checked the link, the original post was in regard to the article (though I'm really not incredibly impressed by the product).
Do us a favour and deal with whatever issues you may have that make you feel the need to feel superior by doing what a normal person would perceive to be idiotic. I can empathize, I've seen emails that offer pills that fix such things you know. -
#3.5 Posted by shao on 09 Mar 2005 - 14:30
- granted, a matter of opinion. you think you're right, i think you're not. tbh, who really gives a flying ****tard either way. Just because we disagree doesn't mean i'm any more skewed than you. However It's apparent you get off dishing out insults, whether they're directed at people, companies, software, or anything really, and to me that seems like more of an affliction than me trying to point people in the direction of relevant information pertaining to a news post. Especially considering your fascination with online meds.
the amount of people online simply dismissing their own childish, pointless insults as humour and/or irony is, to be quite honest, getting pretty boring. You kids WILL do the craziest things though! :-P
whether you find the software impressive or not doesn't particularly bother me. I've yet to see an IM / collaboration / video|voice conferencing / etc solution which
a) ties in with a productivity, business processes, and team technology suites as well
b) is open enough to offer some pretty damn smart customisation, including legal conformancy, security, further third party enhancements, etc etc
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#3.6 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 15:49
- Eek, double post, I am so confused. Why is my reply at the top of the thread, but the rest are still sorted in ascending order?....
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#3.7 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 15:49
- You are of course right in many aspects, first, it doesn't really matter either way, however great your opinion is, there will be people that disagree. The points insults is really just joking around, I don't know you, but I enjoy a good debate over the internet, whether it's over something important and real, or over something abstract and ridiculous, it's all good fun, though to use the term "getting off" would imply sexual connotations, and I can assure you that there is no sex on the internet, ever. Let's not forget who commenced the hostilities here though, though I may have been just a wee bit guilty of baiting, I just love chatting with the kind of people who will defend Microsoft and attack every other vendor that competes in any way with no knowledge of the situation (ie Microsoft's past and present illegal business activities), and often no basis in reason (it's from Microsoft, of course it's awesome).
To go completely off topic for a second though, I agree with your comments on what would constitute an improved online collaboration experience, and the customization would open the way to many great things such as application level accessibility, if I have a choice between a web page or an email client (Thunderbird being the favourite), I'd choose the application, though having the web portal would still be desireable for anyone who doesn't know how to download and install a program (or maybe just doesn't have the access rights on the machine). I think that the ability to customize is really key here, for example, as a web dev, it would be great to have integration with current projects allowing task delegation and file management and locking specifically tailored to that particular task. Unfortunately (and just stating a fact here, not baiting), Microsoft's business solutions are not known for their open standards and extensibility.
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#4 Posted by ArKeYa on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:30
- AJCrowley, for some people the /sarcasm switch is needed.
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#4.1 Posted by AJCrowley Esq on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:40
- Indeed, there are some comical types here on Neowin, as one would expect from any site that covers a diverse cross section of internet users. Above we have a fine example of the "Napoleon trouser complex" category. Also amusing are the "Zealot zealots", who seem to get off on calling anyone who uses non-Microsoft software a zealot, another delicious irony. I myself have been known to be of the "Moron baiting" category, as may have been previously indicated someone in this comments section, some people call it trolling, I prefer to think of it as trolling for trolls
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#4.2 Posted by SquareSoft0 on 09 Mar 2005 - 20:54
- At least you're honest.
(And at least it's not outright insulting and malicious.) ((How anyone can manage to be malicious over the internet is beyond me.)) <-- Double parenthesis!!11
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#5 Posted by TBCdevil on 09 Mar 2005 - 13:36
- Actually there are people who really don't care why Big "MS" does and stick with Skype because smaller companies tent to be more innovating and respectable to the customers needs then stuffing you with banners and useless addons you hardly need. Thank you skype for being there. I do welcome the competition...
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#6 Posted by Mando on 09 Mar 2005 - 18:17
QUOTE Customers can continue to use traditional phones, but plug them into broadband adapters instead of straight into the wall to use the service.
^ bull**** telephones use RJ11 Bell connectors & routers use RJ45s not the same. for one traditional phones made for the PSTN are ANALOGUE DEVICES
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#6.1 Posted by dotf on 10 Mar 2005 - 04:32
- Are you a telecommunications expert Mando?
Next thing you'll be saying is that you cannot use a computer on a broadband connection over telephone lines b/c computers have RJ45 connectors on their NICs and telephones are RJ11 Bell connectors.
You think someone may be putting out a piece of hardware (aQUOTE broadband adapter
Oh wait, that's the basis of the whole VoIP thing anyway..... just b/c the Telcos and Skype provide the hardware on the server end to do the PSTN / IP switching, requiring you to purchase new IP phones, doesn't mean that it HAS to be that way.
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#7 Posted by Hills420 on 10 Mar 2005 - 14:09
- Do many peopel use this in their office?
Three new products are to be debuted over the next few months as part of an expansion of the Microsoft Office suite. At a news conference yesterday, Bill Gates said it was part of Microsoft's emphasis on "real-time collaboration". "You could say it's one of the big frontiers that Office is moving ahead on," he said.
AP reports the software will include some updates to products that have been available for several years - presumably including Microsoft's Netmeeting software. It's a growing market, with software such as Skype already recording growing use.
Meanwhile, AOL is to launch its own net-based phone service. To be up and running within the month, the system is expected to work along with its instant messaging service - another nod towards the success of Skype. Customers can continue to use traditional phones, but plug them into broadband adapters instead of straight into the wall to use the service.
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