British ISPs Must Identify File Sharers

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British record companies applauded Friday's ruling in court that gave them the right to obtain the identities of people who use file sharing programs from Internet service providers. The labels were looking for the identities of 31 persons suspected of uploading large numbers of illegal files onto various P2P services.

"Today's result is a blow for illegal uploaders who believe that the law simply does not apply to them," Geoff Taylor, general counsel for the British Phonographic Industry, a music trade group, told reporters.

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#1 Arnaudt on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:32

Ah **** ... lol

#2 Schnitzel on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:34

This is not good, I hate the way everything is going now.

#3 PlainLazy on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:36

Uh....oh

If you ISP is based outside of the UK, are you still targetted?

(1 reply) #4 TGD on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:39

Good job I don't download music from ****ty P2P anymore.

#4.1 PlainLazy on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:48

I'm sure this new law will effect torrents/irc/ftp aswell

(1 reply) #5 rm20010 on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:41

It's always the mass up/downloaders that screw up everything for those that only download the occasional one or two songs to test them.

#5.1 chicken-royal on 14 Mar 2005 - 21:44

isn't it usually because of the mass uploaders that people are able to download a few songs?

#6 krono6 on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:01

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..............OOOOO.........*cough*

Aww...Whats gonna happen to my Prodigy Download? And Scary Movie?! NOT THE AVP2 PC GAME WITH CD KEY!!!!!
*Shoots Self*

#7 qwin on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:04

Ahh dammit, i suppose it was going to happen one day or another

#8 georgi0 on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:10

it sucks..

#9 lylesback2 on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:24

it's all over... it's really all over

(1 reply) #10 yizuman on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:29

What about Newsgroups tho?

#10.1 jon86 on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:38

As newgroup use grows in popularity (to the extent that BitTorrent is right now), I am sure newsgroups will be targetted and the newsgroup provider will have to remove the illegal content/postings of on it's servers. Newsgroup is a centralised network and so it would be easy to shut down the illegal side of it.

#11 Help on 14 Mar 2005 - 22:54

Just when I thought the fun had just began....

(2 replies) #12 tm™ on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:06

And Canada is still protected from the RIAA. ^_^

#12.1 jon86 on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:16

If I recall correctly, so are people in the UK.

It's the British record companies that are going to sue illegal uploaders.

#12.2 shao on 15 Mar 2005 - 15:29

true.
i share stuff; 95% of it isn't easily available in this country, and usually has to come from foreign mail order companies. the kind of songs you can't find on iTunes, or even allofmp3.com.

It would be interesting to see them try to 'screw' a sharer who's sharing non-british songs, or by artists not represented by the greed infested large UK labels.

#13 ClanSpy on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:13

****

(6 replies) #14 Samurai-HQ on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:18

OMFG!!!

As much as I know the P2P scene will continue and find alternative ways around this, we're gonna be in for a hard hard time these coming months

#14.1 jon86 on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:22

The only 'alternative way(s) around this' that I can think of is to use an anonymous proxy / faked IP address and even that is probably not full-proof.

#14.2 pc2005 on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:26

and how can you use an anonymous proxy / faked IP address ??

#14.3 jon86 on 15 Mar 2005 - 01:00

Routing your internet traffic through a proxy service that attempts to make you 'anonymous'. It's obviously not going to stop the ISP from tracing data from your computer to the anonymous proxy and vise-versa.

#14.4 Darkinspiration on 15 Mar 2005 - 02:46

well then encrypt your data transfer that way you don't to worry

#14.5 PCyr on 15 Mar 2005 - 03:28

You can't encrypt your IP address though. So they can get your IP address, and if they can break the encryption (which I wouldn't put it past them), they've got you.

If your using a proxy server, all they have to do is subpeona the host of the proxy server.

#14.6 madmk on 15 Mar 2005 - 09:00

Yeah, and you're going to have to download it to a proxy server first..

(2 replies) #15 pc2005 on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:24

it says there are "31 persons suspected of uploading large numbers of illegal files".......... i normaly download about 10-30GB per month. i can't be in this list.. can i?

and does any1 know if peergaurdian + protowall could block your ISP from seening what your doin ?

#15.1 jon86 on 15 Mar 2005 - 01:01

The ISP can track the data packets that flows through it's network if it so wishes (and is allowed to) so I don't think so.

#15.2 fr3ak on 15 Mar 2005 - 15:46

"31 persons suspected of uploading large numbers of illegal files"

You download 10-30Gb... can you spot the difference?

(1 reply) #16 Max™ on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:36

Uploaders guys. Uploaders.

#16.1 PlainLazy on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:08

Well in the article it says

QUOTE

people who use file sharing programs

Not specifically just uploaders

And how long before they start handing out law suits to small time downloaders, to recreate the effects RIAA had in America. This news is enough to scare off a large scale of p2p users.

#17 |Maxim| on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:38

it said UPLOADING, im sure most of you are not going to make it in the top 31 list of uploaders

#18 DJ Woody on 14 Mar 2005 - 23:46

oh common ladies this is just scare tactics... i dont even think the news sites should even report this as its just scaring everyone... most the people who have now stopped downloading are scared coz they keep reading it on news sites...

Im not saying neowin is in the wrong.. all im saying is that the music companies like this kinda press as it scares everyone.. and when you are scared you are most vunerable

(1 reply) #19 bucko on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:05

if they look at ISP records isn't that invading privacy?

#19.1 PCyr on 15 Mar 2005 - 03:29

Not if they get a subpoena.

(1 reply) #20 Nave on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:20

Winny is the way to go, if you know what I mean.

#20.1 Shiranui on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:32

The creator of Winny got busted last year. Most Winny users have moved on to a similar program called "Share".

(2 replies) #21 Lingwo on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:27

Well if you don't get an email or some kind of note saying that your ISP's terms and conditions have changed then i think it'll be an invaison of privacy.

#21.1 jon86 on 15 Mar 2005 - 00:58

A court agreed to it so it (the ruling) is obviously legal and not an invasion of a privacy law.

#21.2 Darkinspiration on 15 Mar 2005 - 02:47

but the system as multiple courts. someone could most likely still appeal

#22 TheSarge on 15 Mar 2005 - 04:35

They can't sue everyone. That would take to long.

Let them try.

#23 Da22in on 15 Mar 2005 - 05:01

At least the British have enough sense to differentiate and not fall into the "pirates illegally downloading" trap like the sheeple here in America have been trained with.

(1 reply) #24 TC17 on 15 Mar 2005 - 06:50

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#24.1 Skyfrog on 15 Mar 2005 - 08:08

#25 madmk on 15 Mar 2005 - 09:05

Hmm, very bad publicity for ISPs. If people from BT start getting sued then everyone will move to different ISPs; same goes for other ISPs. Unless all of them do it when I can't see the positive effect it will have for them. Its irritating though, torrents automatically upload (thats how it works), so thats a bit contraversial for me. I'll have to get into the private FTP majiggle ^_^

#26 YaZoR on 15 Mar 2005 - 09:55

TOSSPOTS!

#27 GamblerFEXonlin on 15 Mar 2005 - 13:57

I don't think suing your customers will ever become good business.

Maybe the USA is too a free country , too bad they are influensing other, less corrupt and kapitalistic countries.

#28 yurithedragon on 15 Mar 2005 - 14:46

surely with new ruleing will conflict withe the data protection act?

#29 mikemyres on 15 Mar 2005 - 16:01

If anything thisa new law is breaking the Human Rights Privacy Act? FTP's is completly private and no way of checking so your OK with that and newsgroups too, you can still got bit torrents and stuff just keep sharing to a minimum, they dont care about us average joes much, its people who share MILLIONS

#30 nicedreams on 15 Mar 2005 - 18:51

I'd love to see someone go to trial because they downloaded legal software like a large linux disto or something. Then the RIAA will be so head over heals on sueing people that they will sue anyone using a P2P progrm or torrent based program. They better not ban torrent, because its the only fast way to get a patch or a linux based distro.

#31 Kushan on 18 Mar 2005 - 10:30

I doubt anyone is going to be sued for distributing anything other than Music and Movies.
There is no Gaming association, or Software Industry Association of anything and 90% of all software companies don't have the resources to go after file sharers - only the big companies like Microsoft do. In fact they're probably the only one that can.

#32 Hills420 on 20 Mar 2005 - 14:55

I wish more companies would stick up for their customers ...

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