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Microsoft Agrees With EU On Name For New Windows XP

Mr magoo   on 28 March 2005 - 17:52 · 86 comments & 5359 views

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Embattled software giant Microsoft has today announced a resolution with the European Union on the name of a new copy of Windows XP. After being found guilty by a court in 2004 of breaking EU monopoly law, the company is being forced to sell a stripped down version of Windows XP without Media player components.

Microsoft will sell the stripped down version of Windows XP in Europe as "Windows XP Home Edition N". Previous announcements had suggested names such as "Windows XP reduced Media Edition", yet these proved unpopular with the EU regulators who believed the name would be unattractive to consumers. Microsoft’s most recent decision represents a small victory for the EU who has had difficultly enforcing its judgments on the company.

Microsoft has yet to comply with another part of the EU judgment which stipulates that the company must open up access to server protocols. Negotiations have stumbled over terms of the license which was prohibitive to open source software makers. Microsoft are also in disagreement with EU over plans to appoint a trustee to monitor Microsoft's compliance, or lack there of. If Microsoft fails to comply with the Commission’s decisions, they could face fines of up to $5 million per day.

Horacio Gutierrez, a lawyer for Microsoft, told Reuters that the company has "some misgivings about the chosen name, as we fear it may cause confusion for consumers about the product, but we will adopt the Commission's name in order to move forward and accelerate the pace of the implementation process." Gutierrez said the new version would be available to European consumers within a "matter of weeks".

Microsoft faced a similar situation with the US DoJ in the late nineties. However, with deep pockets and large settlements the company's rivals are less vocal and of a smaller number. The problem Microsoft faces with the EU is that it is unable to "bargain its way out of settlement", as some critics have suggested the company did in the USA. With no clout over the European Commission, the company faces a serious problem: it might just have to comply.

View: Microsoft.com


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(5 replies) #1 STV on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:00
does the 'N' stand for "Neutered"

STV
#1.1 PseudoRandomDragon on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:00
It probably stands for nothing, just like XP stands for nothing. When you can't think of a good name just give it random letters to make it look cool. Companies do it all the time. lol
#1.2 dhan on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:01
I guess you are not eXPerienced enough ?
#1.3 bucko on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:21
Hum wonder what STV stands for
#1.4 Joel Ogden on 28 Mar 2005 - 22:46
a virus obtained from docking with dirty sockets.

STV, don't you usually write somthing hiddeously offensive in comments like how you hate Europe and such...
#1.5 STV on 29 Mar 2005 - 14:32
i think you are mistaking me with "SVT".

STV
#2 deepblue39 on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:01
"Neutered"...my thoughts exactly
#3 bush on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:03
n?? omg wtf? this is like usa sounds friggin sick. let's name it l. yap, l. omg n
#4 Jack31081 on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:04
it seems to me the EU is less concerned about getting Microsoft to produce an alternative and more concerned with getting consumers to buy said alternative, thus putting the hurt to Microsoft. The EU probably knows damn well that few consumers are going to buy a version of Microsoft with all the media stuff stripped out, so they want to name it so similarly to an existing product that people just get confused about the whole ordeal.

(2 replies) #5 Rabbai on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:07
"Windows _HOME EDITION_ N" Does that mean that they will also release "Windows Professional edition N"?
#5.1 PseudoRandomDragon on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:06
Good question...
#5.2 bucko on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:23
no m$ only want to support XP as one product now so I hear. I could be wrong. I'm surprised it isn't XP N.
(5 replies) #6 Mr. Dee on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:07
But the point is, European users can download Media Player 10 and end up having the regular XP again.
#6.1 zachdms on 28 Mar 2005 - 19:19
NO. That is NOT true. Read the article on MS's web site (or elsewhere) about what files are removed (by EU mandate), and then compare that to the files contained in the WMP10 installer. The WMP10 installer does NOT get you back to "standard" XP.
#6.2 Octol on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:16
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NO. That is NOT true.


Yes it IS true. You'd better do some further reading yourself.
#6.3 zachdms on 29 Mar 2005 - 02:49
Actually, better yet, I worked on this. Hence the "MS" part of zachdMS. Relevant public MS article is here. Right off the bat in the Appendix, you instantly see that files 1-7 (for starters) aren't included in mp10setup.exe (which you can open with WinZIP, or many other tools). So I don't get why you would challenge my assertion.

I can and will only comment on the public / technical aspects of this, but : at face value, undeniably, the original comment was wrong and misleading. I respect where people might be coming from, but it's important that the facts are straight.
#6.4 Octol on 29 Mar 2005 - 16:04
I recall reading a document on the Microsoft website that stated that one could download WMP 10, that the missing OS files would be replaced in the process (essentially upgrading the OS back to the full version), and that once upgraded to the full version the OS couldn't be reverted back to the crippled one.

Unfortunately, I can no longer find that document—so I can't back up my statement with evidence. However, there is a related story from February 6th that would tend to back up my assertion:

http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?action=crf&category=main&cid=333341&id=26973
#6.5 zachdms on 29 Mar 2005 - 17:16
I respect where your thinking is coming from, but as shown in the publicly discoverable test above I listed in my post, that is NOT the case. End of discussion. (If you feel like chatting/arguing further about this, PM me, since this should be a dead issue.)
(3 replies) #7 rIaHc3 on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:09
Talk about about a WELL DESERVED slap in the face to EU.....Now it just looks horrible. N? WTF does it mean? I think consumers will be alot more attracted to the Reduced thing then this N. Good Job Microsoft Deliver some more slaps....

Damn EU and trying to suck MS's money....
Like someone said before MS should just leave the European market. THEN we'll see how quick EU lifts all these stupid regulations. This is seriously idiodic.....

I have nothing against Europe (i live here!), its people, or anything else but this is idiodic on part of EU. They should think of more important stuff than this crap...
#7.1 y_notm on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:27
actually, if you read the article, you'd see the EU actually CHOSE this name.

Yea, it boggles my mind too.
#7.2 bucko on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:26
nothing to do with this but it’s like renaming East Midlands Air Port to Nottingham East Midlands Air Port, a complete waste of money!
#7.3 Cleaver on 30 Mar 2005 - 15:45
Especially when it's not even IN Nottinghamshire!!!
(2 replies) #8 kirk26 on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:09
Anything to keep those silly Europeans happy I guess.
#8.1 Jugalator on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:23
European Comission you mean...

I sure hope you don't believe "us europeans" have voted for this specifically to happen.

Even in democratics, some parts of politics just aren't voted for, and in some cases I find it's good since the general public doesn't have enough education in the subject anyway, but in this case it's just annoying to have them decide this and that... I can kind of see the point, but it's definitely executed in the wrong way.
#8.2 lbmouse on 29 Mar 2005 - 13:59
Renaming it to "Windows XPiece 'O Crap" would have made me happy .
(9 replies) #9 vetMr magoo on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:14
Can we just be reminded of why the EU is doing this : Microsoft broke and continue to flaunt EU Anti-trust / monopoly law. Point scoring is quite frankly not an issue here. Microsoft broke the law, they pay the fines. Whether you like the EU or not, just remember that they are the only oganisation that has managed to enforce a judgement against Microsoft for monopolistic activity.

I sometimes wonder if the anti-EU comments are really anti-EU, or anger at the US DoJ for failing. I personally am very happy to see the EU doing this - it's one of the few parts of the EU that seem to be working well and doing a good job.
#9.1 theyarecomingforyou on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:19
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Can we just be reminded of why the EU is doing this : Microsoft broke and continue to flaunt EU Anti-trust / monopoly law.


Exactly. It doesn't matter what action the US takes or does not take, Microsoft broke rules for trading in the EU - hence the action.
#9.2 markjensen on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:19
I agree. Most of the friction here seems to be from the UE being determined (some say "stubborn" ), and Microsoft trying to drag their feet to avoid doing something they don't want.

I am all for this new version. Let the OEMs/users have the choice on what to install. If I am not mistaken, this is for OEM builders anyhow...
#9.3 SquareSoft0 on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:35
For a mod's comment, and a comment in general, that seems very immature. Completely biased and unsupported comments; the general idea of the anti-EU comments are that they are going in the right direction over Microsoft's violations yet overstepped their bounds by far. They succeeded then kept fighting without cause, only causing more damage than good. This recent name change is completely frivolous, they're just flaunting their power and leeching money.
#9.4 Octol on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:54
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Let the OEMs/users have the choice on what to install. If I am not mistaken, this is for OEM builders anyhow...


Close. This is for mentally deficient OEMs with a death wish.

With the possible exception of RealNetworks getting into the retail computer business, what sane system builder would purposely screw his own customers by selling an intentionally crippled product?

The fact is that this whole business is a smelly load of politically motivated BS. People have always been able to download and install the media player(s) of their choice. The EU getting a half-billion dollar extortion check from Microsoft doesn't change a damned thing! Certainly the "consumers"—the people that are allegedly "harmed" by Microsoft's "monopoly"—won't see a cent of that money.

But then what do I know? Maybe someone will enlighten me as to exactly how the "consumer" will benefit from this abortion in any way whatsoever.
#9.5 markjensen on 29 Mar 2005 - 11:54
SquareSoft0, if you look at the times, you can see my comment was at the same time as 11.1, so it was in agreement to bangbang's comment #11. That is, that the friction is because of two large organizations (EU and Microsoft) that hold diametrically opposed positions on this 'new' version of Windows, and neither one wants to give up an inch of ground. (hence my use of the terms "stubborn" and "dragging their feet" to decribe both parties -- hardly a "completely biased" comment, as you called it) Tell me, exactly, what was the "very immature" portion of that post, because I truly fail to see it.

As far as Octol's comment on the letting OEMs choose what media player to install... With this version, they may elect to install WMP or Real or any other media player - I don't care what brand. It is about choice, not removal of choice.
#9.6 SquareSoft0 on 29 Mar 2005 - 12:11
Whoa, I was responding to Mr Magoo, sorry for not reading the responses he already had!
#9.7 markjensen on 29 Mar 2005 - 14:22
Sorry about that. I guess that my reaction was a bit more than it probably ought to have been, anyhow...

Plus, I called Magoo "bangbang". I must have been completely not in my right mind when I made that post early this morning.
#9.8 SquareSoft0 on 29 Mar 2005 - 22:43
It was my fault for not specifying who I was talking to.
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I sometimes wonder if the anti-EU comments are really anti-EU, or anger at the US DoJ for failing.

That was just uncalled for.
#9.9 eilegz on 30 Mar 2005 - 04:49
agree with you mr magoo, somehow microsoft will always get away about this. Lets hope that microsoft itself change in the future giving users more control to their system, giving real choice so this eternal battle end.
(4 replies) #10 ctomer on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:19
Seems that most people understand very little about the dangers presented by monopolies, and even less about the tactics MS use to preserve the status quo.
#10.1 Octol on 29 Mar 2005 - 01:19
You're absolutely right! I don't understand! So please! Assume I don't know the first thing about business or computers and explain how Microsoft is a danger to me: the "consumer".

BE SPECIFIC!

Explain to me how it is that there are NO viable alternatives to Microsoft products (a monopoly by definition), which means that I have NO choice but to buy Microsoft products and services to the exclusion of all others.
#10.2 theyarecomingforyou on 29 Mar 2005 - 03:06
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Explain to me how it is that there are NO viable alternatives to Microsoft products (a monopoly by definition), which means that I have NO choice but to buy Microsoft products and services to the exclusion of all others.


The term monopoly is completely irrelevant - what is is that Microsoft is in violation of EC competition regulations, of which Article 81 and Article 82 of the EC Treaty cover.
#10.3 Judge Roy Bean on 29 Mar 2005 - 07:11
theyarecomingforyou,

Actually, you are the first person to have stated this correctly, if a little bit inflammatorily. <ouch> The 'Monoply' card is indeed being played here, but let's examine it a bit more closely, shall we?

Octol, the sad truth is, the English language is mallable to the extent that each country can, and does, define any given word the way it wants to. They can each
write and publish their own English language dictionary(ies), and there's not a damned thing anyone else can do about it.

That said, the evidence at hand seems to suggest (rather strongly) that when the EU was formed out of whole cloth, yet another edition of the dictionary was devised, and
sprung upon a lot of folks who thought they'd been speaking English correctly for their entire lives. Not so, according to the EU's "newspeak". In point of fact, the aforementioned Articles do seem to go out of their way to pervert the formerly internationally accepted version of how to define the "M" word. Seeing that new definition, one has to admit to being stupified at the obvious intent of these Articles - either to mold the world's business practices to follow the EU's private agenda, or else to extort money from those companies at the forefront of their industries, companies that don't "sing the Party song and dance the Party dance".

Mark my words - Microsoft is just the first big one, there will be others. And that's just plain sad.

So opines


Da Judge
#10.4 theyarecomingforyou on 29 Mar 2005 - 13:50
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Seeing that new definition, one has to admit to being stupified at the obvious intent of these Articles


I disagree. Most of the points in Article 81 & 82 are common sense. What I will say is that they are like many laws/regulations - they are quite vague and are open to interpretation by the residing commision.

I don't feel that this is to extort money from market leaders but to ensure that they conform to the regulations that protect competition - Microsoft is one of the obvious examples, as they have acted unfairly in Europe and in the US (hence the legal action). Competition benefits the consumer and it is not helpful for Microsoft to put pressure on OEM's and developers, which is one of the main issues of this action.
#11 nic on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:26
I'm glad the EU is looking out for their citizens and doing good work for the world.
#12 xinok on 28 Mar 2005 - 18:42
I still don't get why they just don't put on the box "Windows Media Player Not Included"...
#13 Co_Co on 28 Mar 2005 - 19:02
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I still don't get why they just don't put on the box "Windows Media Player Not Included"...


although its true, Microsoft can't rename it to make it less attractive than the other versions of XP (it was one of the clauses) its tough naming something that you know is inferior.
(2 replies) #14 Zepolcire on 28 Mar 2005 - 19:30
What about using the name Windows XP Standard Edition. Like they do for their Office products? So you would have Standard, Home and Professional.
#14.1 Skyfrog on 28 Mar 2005 - 22:37
Well there is nothing standard at all about this new crippled version. Maybe they could have named it LE for limited edition, but I guess the EU wouldn't have gone for that.
#14.2 Billprozac on 29 Mar 2005 - 14:03
Well, we have Windows XP Plus, so why not Windows XP Minus?
(1 reply) #15 SlakeT on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:30
So is the EU going to force MS to make this version cheaper? Can the EU tell companies what to charge for their products? Can the EU tell companies what to sell and what not too? I guess so.

Glad I don't live there.
#15.1 bucko on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:31
Don't take the **** out of the countries and their people, it's politics and you should be saying glad I don't have the EU controlling me.
#16 BGuillaume on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:34
ok this is totally dumb, no one will prevent MS to set Internet Explorer's homepage to Windows Media Player website with a big download link
(4 replies) #17 Sierra Sonic on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:36
Wth, MS cannot name its own product?

Me "I wanna name my son Timmy"
Doctor "Nope sorry cant allow that"
Me "its my son thought..."
Doctor "well to bad, if you stall on choosing a name for your child that I will agree with Ill charge you $150 a day till you do."
Me "Wth its my child though I should be able to name it what I want"
Doctor "Sorry sir this is is a democracy, we legally can sue you for not naming your child within the guidelines, oh and btw thats $150 right there"
Me "... what do you want its name to be then?"
Doctor "Timmy N"
#17.1 Jstphish on 28 Mar 2005 - 22:33
It's a little different because they are trying to sell a product. You aren't trying to sell your child ... at least I hope not.
#17.2 threedaysdwn on 29 Mar 2005 - 02:52
I think the problem is, they're trying not to sell the product.

What's odd, though, is that the EU seems to be encouraging false advertising. Microsoft very clearly wanted to let people know that this version of Windows is not as functional as the standard one.

The EU seems to want to confuse users and make them think this version is somehow "new" or "improved." It's almost like they want to trick users into buying this broken version of Windows.

I hope Microsoft puts some huge red branding on the box that says "Now with 100% less media functionality!!!"

"The first OS compliant with the EU's standards of Screwing Our Customers!!"

"Half the OS for the price of one!"
#17.3 bush on 29 Mar 2005 - 04:13
like : now with no media functionality at all!!
#17.4 M2Ys4U on 29 Mar 2005 - 13:38
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"Half the OS for the price of one!"

it's nowher near half the OS.


Oh, and I'm pretty sure it still contains soundrecorder, so it's not "100% less media functionallity" either
#18 clwright on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:38
How about Windows XP EU Edition. N is stupid what does that mean?
(2 replies) #19 lukeh2004 on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:44
Personally I don't think I'd ever buy a computer which came with Windows XP 'N'. Not because I like media player in particular, but simply because at least it then works out of the box without needing to download and install extra programs.

As long as the EU doesn't decide to force this version on us, instead of the normal one. We should be allowed a choice surely?
#19.1 SlakeT on 28 Mar 2005 - 20:48
Choice is nice. The EU doesnt understand that people can go download whatever media player they want. Simple. When you install one most give the option to take over all the movie file extensions anyway.
#19.2 M2Ys4U on 29 Mar 2005 - 13:40
you can also download whatever browser you like, it's just it's plain to see that ~90% of users don't for whatever reason - although my guess is that most of those don't know about the alternatives.
(3 replies) #20 CDog on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:06
Mainland Europe is a pain in the backside - really, because the UK is in Europe, fruit and veg can't be sold in imperial units and people can be sentanced for doing so. And this silly suit against Microsoft...phhh...wish they'd get on with something real... people who didn't know there was an alternative who accidently buy this are gonna be screwed when it comes to playing their media.
#20.1 Sierra Sonic on 28 Mar 2005 - 21:31
Not really, as soon as they click an mp3 file it will ask them to go onlien and check for a program to open it, and MS already posts WMP and Winamp.
#20.2 ricknl on 29 Mar 2005 - 07:50
These decisions are made in the EU parliment, and the UK have seats there as well. You cannot blame only the main land for the decisions made mutually. On the other hand, it is again the free choice of the UK to be a part of the EU or not.
#20.3 theyarecomingforyou on 29 Mar 2005 - 14:04
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because the UK is in Europe, fruit and veg can't be sold in imperial units and people can be sentanced for doing so


Rubbish - you are allowed to sell fruit and veg in imperial units, but you must also display them in metric. Also, it was already decided by the Wilson government before the UK joined the EEC to commit to metrification - schools are taught exclusively in metric and have been for 30yrs!

Stop just spouting tabloid sensationalist rubbish.
(1 reply) #21 chicken-royal on 28 Mar 2005 - 22:02
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The 'N' in the new name stands for "not with media player".


taken from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4388349.stm
#21.1 Skyfrog on 28 Mar 2005 - 22:40
Windows XP Not with Media Player"? That sounds stupid; it isn't even correct english.

Besides wouldn't that have made it "Windows XP NWMP"?
#22 superrcat on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:05
Windows XP HEN? Nice...
(3 replies) #23 Shiranui on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:21
Great, and now I suppose downloads of Realplayer are just going to skyrocket.......
#23.1 threedaysdwn on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:38
Yes they'll go from 1, to 2.
#23.2 Ideas Man on 29 Mar 2005 - 02:34
Woah, they doubled overnight. Amazing.
#23.3 Gobelet on 29 Mar 2005 - 08:46
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Woah, they doubled overnight. Amazing.


ROFL
(2 replies) #24 Angel Blue01 on 29 Mar 2005 - 00:44
Get over it, guys a company's got to work within the laws of wherever country it operates. The EU actually stood up to the monopoly -as much as I like bundled products.
#24.1 theyarecomingforyou on 29 Mar 2005 - 03:14
Exactly... though I think the name is completely awful - still, that's largely due to Microsoft trying to mess about with stupid names (Reduced Media Edition... please!).
#24.2 SquareSoft0 on 29 Mar 2005 - 04:11
Yes, because Windows with reduced media functionality shouldn't have a descriptive name. They were calling an apple an apple, you fruit.
(1 reply) #25 dj_alex_m on 29 Mar 2005 - 02:00
I'd like to see Microsoft completly withdraw from all EU states and then see how the EU feels on their decision!
#25.1 neomilan on 29 Mar 2005 - 10:54
init,

but i think microsoft windows xp home 'n'
wierd name
cant they just put somehting nice catchy and simple

no like people gonna say, 'oh yeah i got that home n today'
or
'oh that home n is soo good''

try saying it
'home n'

neuteured
#26 ArKeYa on 29 Mar 2005 - 05:03
EU standing up against a monopoly is a good thing. It's the way they are implementing it that's crap. N! N!?: the geeks at MS must be laughing their ass off.... N!?
#27 ~*McoreD*~ on 29 Mar 2005 - 05:55
N implies Negative, Not, Nothing, Nonsense.
#28 Gobelet on 29 Mar 2005 - 08:42
N ? N?! What the ****! I mean they were stoned while choosing the new name "Errrrr, jeez, it's no