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Start-up claims injunction against Microsoft

malebolgia   on 13 April 2005 - 18:50 · 30 comments & 1719 views

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A small San Jose, Calif., company said it has been granted a preliminary injunction preventing Microsoft from incorporating a patented networking method into future versions of Windows.

Alacritech said Wednesday that the injunction blocks Microsoft from using its Chimney architecture, which Alacritech said Microsoft plans to include in both a "scalable networking pack" for Windows Server 2003 and in Longhorn, the next version of Windows. Microsoft's Chimney software provides support for hardware that accelerates networking using the TCP/IP standard, which underlies the Internet and countless private networks. Microsoft designed Chimney to minimize compatibility issues with existing computing technology.

News source: C|Net News.com


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(1 reply) #1 stopdroproll on 13 Apr 2005 - 19:08
Microsoft should buy them out, IMHO.
#1.1 rogerroger on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:12
Almost a sure bet at this stage.
#2 kirk26 on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:27
Move along. Nothing important to see here. LOL.
(9 replies) #3 metallithrax on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:33
MS may have created something to do the same thing without stealing any code or anything.

Just because there a two patents titled "protocol processing stack for use with intelligent network interface device.", shouldn't mean that other companies cannot develop something that does the same thing.
#3.1 ziadoz on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:36
thats why patents are a bad idea. because someone owns the idea. but they still broke the patent, and didnt agree on the terms of usage. so they should be prosecuted.
#3.2 betasp on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:51
I didn't think Microsoft made original software with the exception on Windows. Haven't they bought every other sucessful product the have released?
#3.3 ziadoz on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:51
bill gates stole the idea for windows off apple didnt he? i thought they tried to sue him for it etc, but it never went anywhere.
#3.4 omniiv on 13 Apr 2005 - 21:14
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thats why patents are a bad idea. because someone owns the idea. but they still broke the patent, and didnt agree on the terms of usage. so they should be prosecuted.


right.
#3.5 metallithrax on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:16
So, Rolex are gonna sue Seiko, who are gonna sue Timex, who are gonna sue Swatch?

Are Ford gonna sue Toyota, MB, Ferrari?

Just because you have an idea doesn't mean someone else shouldn't be able to implement it, if they come up with the solution themselves.
#3.6 ichi on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:09
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Just because you have an idea doesn't mean someone else shouldn't be able to implement it, if they come up with the solution themselves.


As long as patents on ideas (rather than just on actual work) are granted, patents can prevent people from even developing anything based on a patented idea.

BTW this leads me to a question: if you were only able to patent the stuff you've actually developed (eg. code when it comes to software) instead of concepts and ideas, what would be the difference between that kind of patents and copyrights?
#3.7 werejag on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:16
then the code would be fully accessable to anyone opon request from the patent office
#3.8 Black on 14 Apr 2005 - 10:31
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bill gates stole the idea for windows off apple didnt he? i thought they tried to sue him for it etc, but it never went anywhere.


I think Apple somewhat dented their chances on that by nicking their entire interface off of Xerox in the first place (yes including the trash can)
#3.9 Treefrog on 14 Apr 2005 - 13:15
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I think Apple somewhat dented their chances on that by nicking their entire interface off of Xerox in the first place


No they didn't. They paid for the ideas, and most certainly did not make an exact copy.

Apple UI history

I can promise anyone here that if MS had patented this networking idea that they would certainly be sueing the pants of anybody that tried to use it without their permission, why should the company that holds the patent be expected to behave any differently?

Note, software patents are a bad thing regardless.
#4 ziadoz on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:34
nice to see microsoft were trying to just go ahead breaking someone elses patent because they have money. this is a clear reason why patents should not come into force in the eu.
#5 username(); on 13 Apr 2005 - 20:55
Oh not again...I'm tired of the SAME story over and over...
(4 replies) #6 neufuse on 13 Apr 2005 - 21:20
isnt it to the point pretty much every process has some vague patent behind it? we could sue MS for almost anything now days it seems like
#6.1 werejag on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:16
you act as if they cant be valid
#6.2 sphbecker on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:52
I have not seen a valid patent suit aginst MS for years. Two classic examples:

A company sued Microsoft for using Auto-Play to run code when a CD is inserted. They had a paten from the early 90’s which claimed that “imitating a process when media is inserted” (pulling that out of memory so it might not be word for word) was their intellectual property. My first reaction to that was “ummm guys… I think anyone who has ever made a VCR can claim prior implantation to that idea.”

Another company sued Microsoft because they were awarded a patent for “transferring software updates to a product using public networks (the internet) as the transfer medium” (again, that is coming from memory). It is like come one guys. Anyone with a brain knows that MS didn’t copy your idea when they came up with Automatic updates; they used what is the painfully obvious way to distribute updates now that the internet is so dominate.
#6.3 werejag on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:14
so since sphbecker hasnt been paying attend then it must be invalid.


#6.4 ziadoz on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:53
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I have not seen a valid patent suit aginst MS for years. Two classic examples:

A company sued Microsoft for using Auto-Play to run code when a CD is inserted. They had a paten from the early 90’s which claimed that “imitating a process when media is inserted” (pulling that out of memory so it might not be word for word) was their intellectual property. My first reaction to that was “ummm guys… I think anyone who has ever made a VCR can claim prior implantation to that idea.”

Another company sued Microsoft because they were awarded a patent for “transferring software updates to a product using public networks (the internet) as the transfer medium” (again, that is coming from memory). It is like come one guys. Anyone with a brain knows that MS didn’t copy your idea when they came up with Automatic updates; they used what is the painfully obvious way to distribute updates now that the internet is so dominate.


now if that was someone else doing it to microsoft they would be getting their arses sued off and probably be forced to close down or drop their development of the project. why is this any different? better yet, why should microsoft be treated any difference.

the company who own the patent offered microsoft licensing terms under which they could use it, so microsoft have no way of saying they didnt know. as long as alacritech own the patent, microsoft should drop it, accept the licensing terms or get a new idea. patents are a bitch and i disagree with them, but big companies blatently ignoring the law and pissing on the little guy is just crap imo.
(3 replies) #7 Mr. Dee on 13 Apr 2005 - 21:33
This story is basically saying, when a small company is near bankruptcy, the next best thing to do is to sue Microsoft.
#7.1 werejag on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:20
you need to reread the news piece again. it said microsoft basicly stole yet another technology

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#7.2 sphbecker on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:43
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you need to reread the new piece again. it said microsoft basicly stole yet another technology


Nothing was stolen here; this is another example of patent abuse. Claiming that making a TCP/IP network more effecting is intellectual property is pretty dumb.

Now, if MS somehow stole their code or specific aspects of the innovation that is another story, but this article does not imply that at all.

This is kind of like me patenting the idea of making cars faster, then suing GM because they mad their 6th generation Z06 faster then their 5th generation. The difference is that everyone understands my faster car example is ludicrous; whereas the people at the patent office don’t understand high-tech well enough to tell the difference between true innovation and evolution.
#7.3 werejag on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:12
if microsoft did steal the idea or infringed on a patent, then microsoft must pay a fine. this is the nature of patent law. microsoft needs to research better next time.


microsoft's moto is why innovate when you can renovate. examples dos, windows
#8 Ava3ar on 13 Apr 2005 - 22:07
maybe they admitted to stealing it, hehe

"The technology was invented independantlly", yeah by the other guys
#9 ichi on 13 Apr 2005 - 23:22
Is there anyone that still thinks that software patents aren't an aberration?
#10 coolspot on 14 Apr 2005 - 05:41
Regardless of the situation at hand... all these "patents" for PC innovations reminds me of a movie... called antitrust Even though its fictional... who says it cant become fact? If you look at most sci-fi idea's that have been presented over the years (black holes, teleportation... and yes they have done so with one photon, its a start. Star Treks communicators which we pretty much call a cell phone and I could go on and on) who's to say we aren't headed in that direction.. considering the patent process drives many comapanies to jump on any oppertunity big or small to patent even a single line of code, whos to say this big wigs might miss something and because they realize it, use their muscle to try and get what they want. I by no means am trying to imply this about microsoft or any major coporation but my point is, with current patent and copywrite laws... this fictional movie premis could and might easily be fact.
(1 reply) #11 TheSarge on 14 Apr 2005 - 06:42
Microswipe: We copy only the best technology; We steal the rest.
#11.1 Treefrog on 14 Apr 2005 - 13:20
LOL!!
#12 scoobydoobie on 14 Apr 2005 - 10:28
yea, like Apple hasn't copied any technologies... *cough* dashboard *cough* spotlight *cough*

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