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Week in review: Longhorn on Tiger's tail

malebolgia   on 29 April 2005 - 20:54 · 26 comments & 1186 views

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The battle of the operating systems heated up this week as Apple Computer unleashed Tiger and Microsoft showed off some of the beef to expect in Longhorn.

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates gave computer makers a brief look at Longhorn, but acknowledged that many of its key features will not be evident until much later test versions of the new Windows. A fraction of the new features will make it into an initial beta this summer. Microsoft wouldn't say when a subsequent beta, with more new features, will arrive, but Gates said the company is still focused on trying to release the final version of Longhorn in time to make it into PCs sold for the holiday season in 2006.

The company demonstrated a new XML-based document format, code-named "Metro," that it will use in Longhorn to both print and share documents. Among other features Gates discussed was the ability of PCs running Longhorn to take advantage of storage that combines traditional hard drives and nonvolatile flash memory. By using flash for frequently accessed information, laptop PCs will be able to get much better battery life given that substantially less power is used accessing flash than is needed to spin a hard drive.

News source: C|Net News.com


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(4 replies) #1 Knight' on 29 Apr 2005 - 21:13
Am I just pointing out the obvious here, but don't flash media have a limited amount of write times? Meaning, what's the practicality of caching data on a flash drive if its going to need replacing quite soon (which I'm sure would bug people).
#1.1 Ideas Man on 29 Apr 2005 - 23:14
Is that true, can that be confirmed by someone who knows for sure? I've heard those rumours, but dunno if it's true or not.
#1.2 urban nerd on 30 Apr 2005 - 00:49
Isn't this what normal system memory is for?
#1.3 carl0ski on 30 Apr 2005 - 01:09
They plan to stick 128meg of flash as part of the next generation hdd
but i feel it is flawed flash does wear out but there is no set number of times you can write to it.
The plan is i guess for windows to mirror it's main system files on the flash memory (sorta the way bios in our computers). if windows want to read the run64.dll say it will look in the flash instead. to save power and lower interference/delay when i'm using the hdd to do something else.
It'll hopefully only change contents once every few months when you add more core windows upddate patches or upgrade Windows. My guess they will last 5-10years which is the life cycle anyway.

Flash however is extremely slow compared to hdd, ram or cache.

I wish they would just use just increase the size of the cache to 128meg plus.
as opposed to the 2, 8 and 16 meg cache on current hdd.
and if they really want storage that retains after power out , make a simple circuit to retain power for the cache (some capacitors would be involved) similar to the circuit that retains you cmos info when power to system is lost.

#1.4 phiberoptik on 30 Apr 2005 - 13:45
Increasing the Cache to 128mb on a harddrive is a huge mistake.

You probably don't remember, or wern't around when the socket 7 boards went from 512kb L2 cache to 1024kb L2 cache on the boards. It was supposed to be so much faster etc.

The problem was, it actually slowed the systems down, having to read double the cache memory, it spent the same ammount of time paging the memory for the data, then it did when the systems only had 512kb. So there was no speed increase, and some people reported even slower benchmarks. That was back in the 486 DX/4, Intel P5, and AMD K6 processer days.

Oh and BTW they have "Solid State" harddrives, that basically work like a giant Flash HardDrive, google it.
(5 replies) #2 DjmUK on 29 Apr 2005 - 21:44
Okay why the HELL do people keep comparing Longhorn to Tiger??? Longhorn won't be released for many years to come, and by then there will be even newer builds of Mac OS X or Mac OS XI.
#2.1 finalcoolman on 29 Apr 2005 - 22:17
Exactly, either OS 10.5 or 11.0
#2.2 urban nerd on 30 Apr 2005 - 00:56
My thought's also - and there is no doubt that Microsoft will match anything Apple will put out, the Current Tiger which has over 200 new bug fixes main selling point is the new search feature which is has been avaliable for Windows as MSN Desktop Search.

I can't believe that Apple is able to sell what is esentially a service pack and get away with it - If Microsoft did the same - there would be an out cry, but if Apple does it - then It's cool

All of the new revolutionary features on Tiger are already avaliable on Windows in one form or another.
#2.3 Cubiz on 30 Apr 2005 - 01:04
urban nerd, you obviously have no idea.

Name me one Windows service pack that contained 200 new features and improvements.

MSN Desktop Search is nothing compared to spotlight. You simply cannot compare the speeds of the two, because spotlight easily wins.

And yes, some of Tiger's new features are available to Windows users - but Tiger has all these new features built-in - with Windows you would need to download more programs.

Please get all the facts right before you complain in the future.
#2.4 urban nerd on 30 Apr 2005 - 01:21
You are correct, I was being Biased due to my previous experience with OSX 10.1 - my apologies.

I will be getting a copy of Tiger for a friend that has a Mac and will look at this closely before I comment further.
#2.5 Cubiz on 30 Apr 2005 - 03:16
Fair enough
(3 replies) #3 hardgiant on 29 Apr 2005 - 22:01






#3.1 Skyfrog on 30 Apr 2005 - 02:11
Let's be a bit more fair about it:

#3.2 nookadum on 02 May 2005 - 16:11
This reply owns.
#3.3 hardgiant on 02 May 2005 - 20:03
It's no longhorn yet buddy, more like a weak and frail calf.



In 18 months it might grow up big and strong.
#4 Colonel_Angus on 30 Apr 2005 - 00:12
Whats next? A comparison between OS X Tiger and Fedora Core 8
(2 replies) #5 gunky on 30 Apr 2005 - 04:03
how could longhorn even conceivably be on tiger's tail? IT'S ALPHA SOFTWARE. The only reason you're hearing about it AT ALL is because Microsoft doesn't have anything even remotely close to a release date and needs press to combat all the press Apple is getting. Did you hear nearly as much hype about any other version of windows? Certainly not for XP, and XP was a much bigger deal to consumers than longhorn will be. 98 to XP was progress (considering only the consumer track) XP to Longhorn, as of now, is just hype.
#5.1 phiberoptik on 30 Apr 2005 - 13:47
I agree... Tiger was just released.

By the time Longhorn comes to RTM, Tiger will look like Windows ME.
#5.2 Jugalator on 30 Apr 2005 - 14:28
"By the time Longhorn comes to RTM, Tiger will look like Windows ME."

Bah... Stop trolling. You have no idea what Longhorn RTM will look like and both you and me know this.
(2 replies) #6 Mohsin Naqi on 30 Apr 2005 - 12:18
yea right longhorn is just a new interface
#6.1 phiberoptik on 30 Apr 2005 - 13:49
New Interface?

Longhorn is a new OS. The interface has a different name BTW.

And also.. all of these are just codenames.. It's not going to be called "Windows Longhorn"
#6.2 PCyr on 30 Apr 2005 - 18:19
@ phiberoptik, this person obviously knows nothing about Longhorn, so don't waste your time on them.
(2 replies) #7 phiberoptik on 30 Apr 2005 - 13:53
BTW.. Why are there all of a sudden a ton of stories this morning regarding Tiger vs Longhorn.

I am just pointing out some facts.

1: Tiger was just released
2: Longhorn is nowhere near being complete, it is still alpha, and has AT LEAST 1 more year in development.

Why are we comparing a 486 CPU to a Pentium 4?
#7.1 Jugalator on 30 Apr 2005 - 14:28
Yeah, I really don't understand why they're doing this...

News posts as flamebaits?

Longhorn in the WinHEC form was so crippled in comparison to what the final release will be that you can't make *any* judgement on how it's going to compare to OS X. And, besides, Tiger is already released, so compare it to XP SP2 instead or something...
#7.2 Colonel_Angus on 30 Apr 2005 - 16:21
QUOTE
I really don't understand why they're doing this...

Because fanboys click Ads.
#8 opq on 01 May 2005 - 02:24
All I've been seeing linked is the Ars Technica review of Tiger. Upon doing a bit of searching I found a more user-like perspective of Tiger at http://www.pcnx.com/reviews/review.asp?rev...ewid=2005040003

I think I agree with this person's view a lot more

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