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AMD Debuts Athlon 64 X2

lardiop   on 09 May 2005 - 19:09 · 65 comments & 2550 views

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AMD has lifted the press ban on its new dual-core desktop processors, and the results look promising. Most sites are reporting that the high end X2 chips from AMD are significantly faster then comparable Intel Extreme Edition offerings. Most new Socket 939 motherboards are compatible with X2 chips right out of the box. Slightly older models will require a flash BIOS update to enable support for the new dual-core CPUs.

The X2 4800+ beats out the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 virtually across the board, even in tests that use four threads to take best advantage of the Extreme Edition 840's Hyper-Threading capabilities. The difference becomes even more pronounced in single-threaded applications, including games, where the Pentium XE 840 is near the bottom of the pack and the X2 4800+ is constantly near the top. The X2 4800+ also consumes considerably less power, both at idle and under load.

The initial lineup for the Athlon 64 X2 is as follows:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ $1,001 (2.4GHz 1MB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ $803 (2.4GHz 512KB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ $581 (2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ $537 (2.2GHz 512KB L2 Cache Per Core)

View: Anandtech | Tom's Hardware | HardOCP
View: AMD Home


Thanks to Timdorr for the heads-up!

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#1 Hurmoth on 09 May 2005 - 19:11
WAHOOO!!!! This is going to be sweet!!! Wonder when they'll have these babies for notebooks?
(3 replies) #2 Tungsten T on 09 May 2005 - 19:11
MY 2006 system.
#2.1 Shadow Dragon on 09 May 2005 - 21:41
I was thinking the exact same thing , along with some Sli graphics .
#2.2 reKoiL on 10 May 2005 - 05:35
me 3 cept without sli. no point in getting sli just get a beefy card instead
#2.3 qkslvr221 on 10 May 2005 - 07:34
Hopefully ATI's solution will change that
(1 reply) #3 Kushan on 09 May 2005 - 19:16
Pfft, I want to see Quad Cores
#3.1 sphbecker on 10 May 2005 - 15:58
Someday.
#4 Hankyone on 09 May 2005 - 19:19
OMG OMG THEY ARE HERE!!! NICEEEEE!!!!! WOOOT AMD!!!!
im so exited, i want mine now!!
#5 boooggy on 09 May 2005 - 19:23
i want one too but where????
(1 reply) #6 Max™ on 09 May 2005 - 19:23
Think I might get a 4200+ at the end of the summer to replace my aging 533Mhz FSB 2.66Ghz P4
#6.1 .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 09 May 2005 - 19:25
P4
im so proud the x64 cpu series is being developed and built in germany

-fm
(3 replies) #7 vetmalebolgia on 09 May 2005 - 19:27
Drool.
#7.1 vetlardiop on 09 May 2005 - 19:30
Oh indeed. Going to get a 4200/4400 near the end of the summer to replace my 1800+
#7.2 Hurmoth on 09 May 2005 - 19:35
Holy smokes That's going to be a huge speed bump... you won't know what to do
#7.3 edgrale on 09 May 2005 - 19:46
QUOTE
That's going to be a huge speed bump... you won't know what to do


On the brigt side, your new computer might even use LESS power than your current!
#8 stezo2k on 09 May 2005 - 19:55
quality, not cheap though i'm afraid

i'll be definatley be getting one
#9 ripgut on 09 May 2005 - 19:57
Good god look at those prices
#10 leebobs on 09 May 2005 - 20:08
Welcome to the next level of Processing Performance AMD RULE
#11 xxdesmus on 09 May 2005 - 20:09
looks like i know what my next build is going to be
#12 Adrian on 09 May 2005 - 20:10
may i be the first to say :o
(1 reply) #13 DjmUK on 09 May 2005 - 20:15
Dollars to Pounds

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ £531 (2.4GHz 1MB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ £426 (2.4GHz 512KB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ £308 (2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Per Core)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ £285 (2.2GHz 512KB L2 Cache Per Core)

I think it's safe to purchase the 4400+ (that's my intention) as you get the 1MB cache per core and it's only a touch slower than the 4600+ and of course a saving of £118 which would pay for the motherboard
#13.1 Adrian on 09 May 2005 - 20:24
that .2ghz is always overclockable
(1 reply) #14 zaggy on 09 May 2005 - 20:28
Wow... I'm finally gonna be switching to AMD
#14.1 sphbecker on 10 May 2005 - 16:22
Me too. I like Intel, but I will switch to AMD (again) if they can't come up with something as good.

I am a long time Dell fan and I hope they look at adding these AMD processors to their line-up. If not I may switch to AlienWare for my next computer.
#15 dave164 on 09 May 2005 - 20:32
Nice, thats sweet, and over at xtremesystems ive just seen a thread of a 4800+ I think at 2.7Ghz on stock hsf

Im gonna get this at start of next year with pci-e, i dont need that performance atm. I'll probs get one of these though for my games server im planning.

But yeh 3-4 different CPU's from AMD in a month.. over the top
(3 replies) #16 ANova on 09 May 2005 - 20:40
I looked the various sites over. They make it sound as if the 4800+ whoops the 840's ass when in actuality it's only moderately faster except in games. If you look at prices, the P4 D 840 is only around $500 while the 4800+ is $1000 and the 840 comes fairly close and even beats it in pure multitasking environments. Still, I applaud AMD; these X2 chips are quite the performers.
#16.1 Fagutish on 09 May 2005 - 20:52
Be careful while reading that, there are two 840s, the EE $1000 one and the D one at around $500. But still the pricing is a bit of a disapointment to me, though i doubt the prices will stay the same in 8 months...
#16.2 ANova on 10 May 2005 - 04:12
I know, if I meant the EE I would have said it. Fact of the matter is that the only difference between the 840 non EE and the EE version is that the EE has the two extra emulated cores. Because of this the plain 840 is nearly as fast as the EE and even faster in some applications. Considering Intel's dual core chips can be overclocked and X2s are apparently clock locked that makes a big difference as well, at least for me.
#16.3 Fagutish on 10 May 2005 - 12:58
Clock Locked??!?! are you refering to the Multiplyer lock? Becasue you CAN overclock X2s. They already Got one to 2.7ghz http://www.fcenter.ru/online.shtml?articles/hardware/processors/13155
I do find it odd that NONE of the mainstream Hardware sites have actually written about Overclocking these things.
Plus i dont think you would want a PD if you were gonna overclock, the things consume double the power the X2s do, im sorry it doesnt make much sense to go to Intel at this point unless ofcourse...they do some marketing moves ( price dropping, and early availabilty)
(2 replies) #17 Fagutish on 09 May 2005 - 20:54
Has anyone found a very high res image of the new core? All I can find are really small thumbnails and mediocre ones that wouldnt be suitable for printing...
#17.2 Fagutish on 10 May 2005 - 03:53
No, not really, ive been there before. There are no pictures of a Dual-core CPU die there except for one that does not look like a photograph
#18 Pwn3r on 09 May 2005 - 21:23
Exactly the reason why I wait for the good stuff to come out, not buy some '754 in '03.
(4 replies) #19 Elite_graphix on 09 May 2005 - 22:01
will windows xp 64bit take full advantage of these superb dual cores?

currently got 3500+, will wait till they release the 1207socket next feb.
#19.1 hardgiant on 10 May 2005 - 01:06
Of course, microsoft has been touting the dual core technology with 64 bit. Longhorn will almost require a dual core setup to get the most out of the new platform.
#19.2 kaffra on 10 May 2005 - 10:46
^gotta love the FUD
#19.3 Radium on 10 May 2005 - 13:54
All operating systems that support SMP will support dual-core.
If it somehow doesn't work then they only need to change a few bytes in the code, or something like that.
#19.4 sphbecker on 10 May 2005 - 16:29
Yes; Windows XP (and all versions of NT) support dual-processors. Dual-core should look to the OS the same as dual-processors. Of course you will only be able to take advantage of the 2nd core when you are running more then one thread (either multi tasking or running a program designed for dual processors/core systems).

The only difference is the way they are licensed. XP Pro is licensed to use two processors, but it is able to tell the difference between a processor and a core, so you could have two dual-core processors in theory.
#20 Runelord on 09 May 2005 - 22:51
woah expensive
(2 replies) #21 MrCobra on 09 May 2005 - 23:03
Good bye FX-55, hello X2 4800+
#21.1 Hankyone on 10 May 2005 - 04:09
errrr are you serious?
#21.2 sphbecker on 10 May 2005 - 16:31
Perhaps. Tom's Hardware reported that the 4800+ preformed as well as the FX-55 in most single threaded tests, better in the tests that used more then one thread.
(4 replies) #22 Sierra Sonic on 09 May 2005 - 23:39
QUOTE
The X2 4800+ beats out the Pentium Extreme Edition 840 virtually across the board, even in tests that use four threads to take best advantage of the Extreme Edition 840's Hyper-Threading capabilities. The difference becomes even more pronounced in single-threaded applications, including games, where the Pentium XE 840 is near the bottom of the pack and the X2 4800+ is constantly near the top. The X2 4800+ also consumes considerably less power, both at idle and under load.

>.> Wow, new dual core processors faster than old single core processors with an emulated second core. <.<

Other than that rant out fo the way, this might make me switch to AMD if I get the money. ^^*
#22.1 Cyrilix on 09 May 2005 - 23:52
Umm...the 840 EE is not an "old single core" processor "with an emulated second core". It's more like a new dual core processor with an emulated two more cores.
#22.2 Sierra Sonic on 10 May 2005 - 01:10
Oops, thought that was a 6 instead of an 8, read that wrong. ^^***
#22.3 ANova on 10 May 2005 - 04:15
Nonetheless, that quote overexadurates the situation. The difference isn't realistically that big except in gaming, and even then by about 5-20 fps.
#22.4 Radium on 10 May 2005 - 14:04
Games doesn't take advantage of HyperThreading or SMP.

id Software did try to make Quake III support SMP, but they didn't gain anything as it's very difficult, you can't just create a second thread and say "w00tz0rz".
There's lots of work that has to be done and additional overhead will be added too as the threads must be synchronized.

SMT(HT), SMP and dual-core will become better than single-core (without SMT) once they write software (games) with multiple threads that can take advantage of it.
Once games get enough threads then 840EE will show its strength. But 840EE will be old by then.
#23 Chanser on 10 May 2005 - 00:35
I was going buy a Venice 3200 but since dual core is so close, may as well get a 4200 to replace my old AXP 1800 .
The only problem is the price .
(1 reply) #24 eilegz on 10 May 2005 - 00:44
wow too bad that at panama this things it wont be available until 2006 or 2007 =/
#24.1 .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 May 2005 - 16:30
one word: import (ebay.com)

-fm
#25 Galley on 10 May 2005 - 05:33
It looks like my next processor will be an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
#26 altezza on 10 May 2005 - 07:29
I think I would wait until next year to get one of those
#27 smashguy on 10 May 2005 - 08:24
It's very expensive here in Pakistan!
(1 reply) #28 xpresside on 10 May 2005 - 08:48
amd - assembled in malaysia
#28.1 .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 May 2005 - 16:35
Booooo!
amd rules!
tsss...

-fm
(3 replies) #29 yodat on 10 May 2005 - 09:47
People was wondering about how Intel's prices are sky high !

Now look @ the AMD ! Yeah they perform well but do they really worth it ?

One of the AMD's strongest point in the past was the price but now AMD is totally turning an Intel... And yeah i believe this even it's processors are good performers...

And when i look around i see nobody complaining about over $500 proc. (be aware that this is US prices & many countries have taxes that boost it so much).


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#29.1 jon86 on 10 May 2005 - 11:52
I would expect a premium as they are new technology and AMD is the first to release it. Intel would add the premium too.
#29.2 Radium on 10 May 2005 - 14:10
Sweden has 25% tax.
But processors aren't really that expensive anymore, the weak dollar is good for us.
One dollar used to be like 10-11 SEK, now it's 7.15 SEK per dollar.
#29.3 .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 May 2005 - 16:41
USD 1000 = € 751... thats acceptable for such a processor thats just about to come out...
and germany hasnt that high taxes i guess...
additionally you get almost every techniqual equipment (cpus, mp3 players, dvd burners, pcs, and so on) for low prices here...
when im gonna buy a 4800+ its gonna be like ... 400 euros max...
thats ok for me since i want my next machine to be way better than THIS one... eek
im gonna put in amd...
nofin beats amd for me

-fm
(1 reply) #30 Shannon on 10 May 2005 - 09:50
Bah! I 'effing hate technology! I just ordered an Athlon 64 a few days ago and now they've debuted these 64 X2s.
#30.1 Fagutish on 10 May 2005 - 13:19
Don't worry it wont be available till November/December 05. so maybe youll have time to sell this one and just buy an X2 cause the platform is the same
#31 shao on 10 May 2005 - 10:46
kind of disappointed with some of the benchmarks. I'm running a 3800+ here, and was expecting to see my chip fair a little worse against the dual cores. I guess i'll hold of upgrading for the time being.
#32 Bliksem on 10 May 2005 - 11:35
Intel bites the dust..... Again...
#33 AminoSC on 10 May 2005 - 21:55
I have the money....Where can I get one now????

Which motherboards 939 are bios upgradeable?
#34 xMorpheousx416 on 10 May 2005 - 22:12
Benchies aren't going to be all that different unless they can be tailored made to support dual core. Your best improvements with these new procs, is to rip/encode large DVD files at the same time you're playing Doom 3. Then, you'll see the power of having two CPUs. Other than that, your normal everyday apps are only going to use one core...with the other sitting idle.

Maximum PC just did a great review on the Intel dual core....June issue. With all the gritty details including pics of the cores...benchies...apps that use both cores...etc. You'll even see a pic of Task Manager of the dual P4EE with HT enabled (4 cores)....only one core is being used during the test...


However, the P3 I had 6 years ago, is the last of the Intel procs I'll use.

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